Tetsujin
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Star Wars: Episode 7, 8... and BEYOND!
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Lulcielid
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Collin Trevorrow no longer director of Episode IX
http://www.thewrap.com/colin-trevorrow-exits-of-star-wars-episode-ix/amp/
I'm looking at other boards and I'm baffled by circlejerk reaction of happyness with these news.
http://www.thewrap.com/colin-trevorrow-exits-of-star-wars-episode-ix/amp/
I'm looking at other boards and I'm baffled by circlejerk reaction of happyness with these news.
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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I knew it was gonna come to script difficulties. I cannot imagine the sort of monumental task of not only completing the trilogy, but also needing to adapt everything in light of Carrie Fisher's passing, since she was a HUGE part of the story overall, not even taking into account what she does in VIII.
This doesn't make me any more or less excited, but I'd be wholly unsurprised if they pushed their date from May to December of 2019 at this point.
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This doesn't make me any more or less excited, but I'd be wholly unsurprised if they pushed their date from May to December of 2019 at this point.
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Update: It seems like there's a strong possibility that Rian Johnson might take over IX, which would be pretty rad since he was initially hired to do both films.
I've still got a bunch more in my head that I wanna say about all this, so it's tl;dr time.
Assuming that this is what happens, and Rian Johnson takes over IX, I think that that does a couple of good things.
• He's been monumentally well-received at celebration and he's fantastic with the fans and everyone.
• He fits well into the format of how the current Star Wars films are made, but still seems to be making them his own. As the Marvel franchise has shown, sometimes excellent directors aren't a good fit to making films that mesh with everything else (Ant-Man being the prime example).
• He's got a unique perspective on Carrie Fisher and her legacy that probably no one else has, given that we directed Episode VIII, and I'm certain that he'd be well-equipped to deal with that incredibly insurmountable difficulty.
That being said, he hasn't been involved with any of the writing for IX, and while it's obvious that settling on a script and story has generated some strife for IX where that may not be an issue, I think something about his style points to why he was only doing VIII and another director was doing IX.
Rian Johnson's films (Brick, The Brothers Bloom, & Looper) are all dropped into a story with existing characters and drama. We're usually given a brief introduction of sorts, but in Star Wars, that's covered by Episode VII. As inspiration for VIII, there're the films 12 O'Clock High & A Letter Never Sent, and what those films all have in common is that they're centered around an existing external conflict, but the central themes are the conflict that the characters are put through, and usually ends with at least one of them being pushed past the point at which they're capable, and everyone emerging out the other side looking at whatever else lies ahead.
VIII is prime to be that sort of a film through and through, and if what we've seen so far, his past work, and inspirations are anything to go by, be absolutely phenomenal.
That being said, IX would be a VERY different type of film. IX is the story of them on the other side. IX is the story where everyone goes up against the big conflict. In Brick, we don't see what happens to Brendan and everyone else the days after, in The Brothers Bloom, we don't see what happens with Bloom and Penelope, and in Looper, we don't see what ultimately becomes of the Rainmaker. His films don't really have a sort of Episode VI feeling to them that we'd expect for the trilogy wrapping up. That's not at all to say he isn't capable of making one, it's just that I think it'd be very different.
Lastly, it puts a LOT different pressure on Episode VIII if he does. It's one thing that Trevorrow's film Book of Henry wasn't really critically lauded, but it's a VERY different thing if Rian's picked to direct IX while the jury's still out on his very-soon-to-be-delivered Star Wars film, especially in how the critics will look at the film and judge it towards what's to come. Obviously none of this is an ideal scenario, and when it comes to other options, basically no one is well known for directing a satisfying ending to a trilogy. Hell, even Peter Jackson showed that being a fantastic director in a universe that you're overwhelmingly experienced and familiar with can get really rough if you're rushed when you compare The Lord of the Rings trilogy to that of The Hobbit.
Overall, that's pretty much what's in my mind on all this at the moment. Whoever they do get to do it, I'll trust their choice. Most importantly though, I think that at this point, keeping Star Wars Episodic releases a December thing is gonna be in ANY director's best interest.
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I've still got a bunch more in my head that I wanna say about all this, so it's tl;dr time.
Assuming that this is what happens, and Rian Johnson takes over IX, I think that that does a couple of good things.
• He's been monumentally well-received at celebration and he's fantastic with the fans and everyone.
• He fits well into the format of how the current Star Wars films are made, but still seems to be making them his own. As the Marvel franchise has shown, sometimes excellent directors aren't a good fit to making films that mesh with everything else (Ant-Man being the prime example).
• He's got a unique perspective on Carrie Fisher and her legacy that probably no one else has, given that we directed Episode VIII, and I'm certain that he'd be well-equipped to deal with that incredibly insurmountable difficulty.
That being said, he hasn't been involved with any of the writing for IX, and while it's obvious that settling on a script and story has generated some strife for IX where that may not be an issue, I think something about his style points to why he was only doing VIII and another director was doing IX.
Rian Johnson's films (Brick, The Brothers Bloom, & Looper) are all dropped into a story with existing characters and drama. We're usually given a brief introduction of sorts, but in Star Wars, that's covered by Episode VII. As inspiration for VIII, there're the films 12 O'Clock High & A Letter Never Sent, and what those films all have in common is that they're centered around an existing external conflict, but the central themes are the conflict that the characters are put through, and usually ends with at least one of them being pushed past the point at which they're capable, and everyone emerging out the other side looking at whatever else lies ahead.
VIII is prime to be that sort of a film through and through, and if what we've seen so far, his past work, and inspirations are anything to go by, be absolutely phenomenal.
That being said, IX would be a VERY different type of film. IX is the story of them on the other side. IX is the story where everyone goes up against the big conflict. In Brick, we don't see what happens to Brendan and everyone else the days after, in The Brothers Bloom, we don't see what happens with Bloom and Penelope, and in Looper, we don't see what ultimately becomes of the Rainmaker. His films don't really have a sort of Episode VI feeling to them that we'd expect for the trilogy wrapping up. That's not at all to say he isn't capable of making one, it's just that I think it'd be very different.
Lastly, it puts a LOT different pressure on Episode VIII if he does. It's one thing that Trevorrow's film Book of Henry wasn't really critically lauded, but it's a VERY different thing if Rian's picked to direct IX while the jury's still out on his very-soon-to-be-delivered Star Wars film, especially in how the critics will look at the film and judge it towards what's to come. Obviously none of this is an ideal scenario, and when it comes to other options, basically no one is well known for directing a satisfying ending to a trilogy. Hell, even Peter Jackson showed that being a fantastic director in a universe that you're overwhelmingly experienced and familiar with can get really rough if you're rushed when you compare The Lord of the Rings trilogy to that of The Hobbit.
Overall, that's pretty much what's in my mind on all this at the moment. Whoever they do get to do it, I'll trust their choice. Most importantly though, I think that at this point, keeping Star Wars Episodic releases a December thing is gonna be in ANY director's best interest.
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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Posting again, because this article and interview with Rian Johnson has me even more excited about The Last Jedi: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/ria...-creative-freedom-he-had-on-the-last-jedi-988
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J.J. Abrams is writing and directing IX: http://www.starwars.com/news/j-j-abrams-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-ix
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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JGL is confirmed to get a voice cameo in The Last Jedi. I knew he'd be in it, since he's in literally ALL of Rian Johnson's films, I'm glad that he's confirmed it. Also, everything that he says about Carrie is really touching. He also comments about not directing Episode IX, and going back to be an audience member to watch it.
EDIT: Additionally, Chris Terrio is co-writing IX which gives me mixed feelings. I liked Argo, I thought that BvS was a bit of a disaster, but we'll get a feel for Justice League (with a mix of Snyder/Whedon) in two months, and if that's solid, I'll know where to set my expectations.
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To no one's surprise:
Nothing but pleased about this. It really needs the time to get everyone together and build the story properly (which is not small task being the end of the trilogy and without Carrie), and having them all at the same time is better for everyone this way.
(Also, it means that it'll be much easier for me to get tickets for this, since I'm still planning to be moving out of the country between March and May of 2019).
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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Rian Johnson provide s Porg Facts to help cheer up someone on Twitter: http://io9.gizmodo.com/heres-more-information-about-the-last-jedis-breakout-st-1806108345
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Lulcielid
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Lulcielid
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I would like to have this discussion about something that's been on my mind and that I've seen in some Star Wars dedicated communities:
How do you draw the line between there being similarities/rehash vs nitpick/pedantic grasping at straws?
Ever since The Force Awakens released back in 2015, there have been a lot of concerns torwards the future movies further ripping off the OT.
With that said, months ago we got our first look at The Last Jedi teaser trailer (and behind the scenes video) showing us a lot of new things and potentially new plotlines. However, some fans seen to think otherwise, they say that we might get something akin (if not rehash) of Empire Strikes Back, a very frequent point I see being brough up is "Rey going is alone & training with a misterious old Jedi is a rehash of ESB!, therefore the whole movie will be a rehash!".
There are more points than the one I mentioned (like there being a Hoth like snow planet and others I can't remember at the moment), that said, I ask you:
Basically my main point is, are the smallest of similaries/parallels enough to brand Episode VIII (and future installments) as rehashing?
How do you draw the line between there being similarities/rehash vs nitpick/pedantic grasping at straws?
Ever since The Force Awakens released back in 2015, there have been a lot of concerns torwards the future movies further ripping off the OT.
With that said, months ago we got our first look at The Last Jedi teaser trailer (and behind the scenes video) showing us a lot of new things and potentially new plotlines. However, some fans seen to think otherwise, they say that we might get something akin (if not rehash) of Empire Strikes Back, a very frequent point I see being brough up is "Rey going is alone & training with a misterious old Jedi is a rehash of ESB!, therefore the whole movie will be a rehash!".
There are more points than the one I mentioned (like there being a Hoth like snow planet and others I can't remember at the moment), that said, I ask you:
- Is that really enough to call rehashing or is this grasping at straws?
- If one of the main story beat(s) of The Last Jedi involved the bad guys (The First Order and perhaps others) curbstompping our heroes, or the bad guys getting major victories over our heroes and leaving them with big loses, would that make the movie a rehash of ESB?
Basically my main point is, are the smallest of similaries/parallels enough to brand Episode VIII (and future installments) as rehashing?
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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So, Episode VII had to prove that it FELT like Star Wars again, which is to say that it had to reassert the tone of the original trilogy from that of the Prequels. The way JJ Abrams did that is definitely close to Episode IV in a number of ways, but there're also a good number of differences as well. Insofar as The Last Jedi – don't call ANYTHING before you see it, especially just based on a single teaser trailer. On top of that, there's no reason to make those sort of predictions about IX at this point either. Nitpicking gets newstime, especially when there's a void of information, and that + JJ coming back for IX is why this is coming up at all.
Bonus Question: If you think that our heroes aren't absolutely gonna get put through hell, you haven't watched Rian Johnson's own films or the ones was referencing to the crew when they started filming. Also, basically EVERY second act is about strife and division.
The Force Awakens & The Fellowship of the Ring have plenty in common:
• Main character is a humble nobody that suddenly has legacy access to magic powers.
• Giant terrible force of evil one thought totally defeated is suddenly unleashed again with new allies.
• Old friend is lost in an enemy base, and falls off of a bridge during confrontation with a powerful force of darkness wielding a glowing sword – who isn't the evil guy in control of everything.
I could go on, but you get my point, it's generally pedantic and baseless since it's projecting to a film that no one's even seen a full trailer for and towards another film that's not even written yet.
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Bonus Question: If you think that our heroes aren't absolutely gonna get put through hell, you haven't watched Rian Johnson's own films or the ones was referencing to the crew when they started filming. Also, basically EVERY second act is about strife and division.
The Force Awakens & The Fellowship of the Ring have plenty in common:
• Main character is a humble nobody that suddenly has legacy access to magic powers.
• Giant terrible force of evil one thought totally defeated is suddenly unleashed again with new allies.
• Old friend is lost in an enemy base, and falls off of a bridge during confrontation with a powerful force of darkness wielding a glowing sword – who isn't the evil guy in control of everything.
I could go on, but you get my point, it's generally pedantic and baseless since it's projecting to a film that no one's even seen a full trailer for and towards another film that's not even written yet.
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Lulcielid
Eyes of the Lord
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The Last Jedi has wrap up post production.
https://talkiesnetwork.com/2017/09/...ction-has-wrapped-on-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
https://talkiesnetwork.com/2017/09/...ction-has-wrapped-on-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
Lulcielid
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Trailer tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/Disney/status/916984531508330496
https://twitter.com/Disney/status/916984531508330496
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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Rian Johnson on the new trailer: https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/917049537843183618
Also, here's another TINY little hint of the fucking awesome that's in store for us tomorrow: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/916981957438984192
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Rian Johnson said:
Also, here's another TINY little hint of the fucking awesome that's in store for us tomorrow: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/916981957438984192
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lithiumkatana17
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Sweet jeebus almighty.
I have genuine goosepimples here.
I have genuine goosepimples here.
Dark and Divine
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F*cking Hell, i'm stoked 
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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Despite claims to the contrary: Rian Johnson REALLY, genuinely, truly wants you to watch the trailer: https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/917582846558011393
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