Star Wars: Episode 7, 8... and BEYOND!
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One of his biggest reasons is that - in his words - "she fights exactly like him", which is something I myself haven't noticed (I don't really scrutinise the fighting choreography - told you he was a super geek 
) but if that is the case then I'd say it's very likely based on that alone. Something like that is a very intentional choice.
) but if that is the case then I'd say it's very likely based on that alone. Something like that is a very intentional choice.
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One of his biggest reasons is that - in his words - "she fights exactly like him", which is something I myself haven't noticed (I don't really scrutinise the fighting choreography - told you he was a super geek
I don't really think that they fight all that similarly... Did said friend of yours have examples as a point of comparison? Palpatine is INCREDIBLY aggressive and acrobatic, which isn't how I'd describe Rey's fighting style whatsoever. Not to mention, Luke & Vader/Anakin don't have overly similar fighting styles despite being directly related, so it's a VERY spurious claim at best.
Additionally, that doesn't really give any good explanation to why Anakin's Lightsaber would've been drawn to her, rather than Ben – which is still an incredibly big deal.
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Rey was born long after the fall of the Empire and abandoned sometime after that. Luke could very well have kids, Obi-Wan and Yoda never indicated otherwise. And Luke didn't witness Emperor's raw fighting strength and then underestimated it. He underestimated him right up until the Emperor's first and last act of aggression, his lightning, which took Luke out of the fight right then and there. Before that the Emperor was breaking Luke purely by talking. I doubt that's what Rey is doing during her training.
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Being the parent in a nuclear family is not the only meaning of attachment. Anakin had to not see his mother again in order to be a Jedi too. Meanwhile Luke let his feelings for his father drive him throughout his onscreen time. Then he kept hanging out with his sister. I don't feel Luke was adhering to that aspect of being a prequel style Jedi.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary gives us info on the characters involved, Rey was born 11 years after the Emperor's death, Kylo Ren 1 year afterwards. It's a fairly long time for a child of Palpatine to just live out his/her life, have a child and then suddenly decide to that the only safety for the granddaughter of the Emperor is in complete ignorance and poverty.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary gives us info on the characters involved, Rey was born 11 years after the Emperor's death, Kylo Ren 1 year afterwards. It's a fairly long time for a child of Palpatine to just live out his/her life, have a child and then suddenly decide to that the only safety for the granddaughter of the Emperor is in complete ignorance and poverty.
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1. Jakku seems like it would be the worst possible place for Palpatine to've had a child randomly abandoned. On top of all of the highly guarded secret facilities and other ways that he's kept clandestine trainees like the Inquisitors, etc. hidden, this would've just set his child adrift, rather than giving them access to as much Dark Side information as possible, since he'd spent decades collecting all manner of Sith knowledge and artifacts, there's no plausible reason he'd've just left a 5-6 year old kid on Jakku.
2. That's because she's trained to fight with a Staff. Again, there's nothing that indicates fighting styles are inherited: See Vader & Luke.
3. Luke being a Jedi is VERY different than officially trained Jedi during the prequel era. Insofar as we can tell, in all of the current canon comics, shows, and films, there's nothing to suggest that Luke was banned from attachments like that during his training. In fact, it's the very opposite. It's his attachments to his father and his sister that get used and push him towards the Dark Side, but he always recovers and refuses to succumb to them – the exact same way that Rey fights Kylo Ren out of rage at Han Solo's death, but refuses to deliver the killing blow, despite the temptation to (mentioned in the novelization of TFA).
4. He was referring to the raw power of Kylo Ren when the Jedi Temple was destroyed, and he underestimated that, which ultimately lead to the downfall of his academy, and him going into seclusion.
5. Timestamp on the official trailer, maybe? This seems like the biggest stretch of all, though, tbqh. Sound effects don't imply parentage. Leitmotifs, maybe.
Again, Luke's Jedi training was done when he was FAR too old by the original standards (compare to Anakin), and also didn't involve many of the problematic dogmatic teachings, so he's not banned from attachment in anything we've seen. In addition to that, Luke even gives in to his anger and rage surrounding attachments when Vader threatens Leia, but still refuses to fall to the Dark Side (just like Rey vs. Kylo Ren in TFA).
Lastly, TFA is officially stated as taking place approx. 30 years after RotJ, so Rey would've had to be over 30 if she was his kid. If she was born around when he died, that would've meant that she was taken to Jakku and abandoned around the time of the Battle of Jakku – making it an even worse decision by the Empire. If she was born before and he put her there himself, she'd be in her mid-30s. The timeline doesn't even remotely line-up.
I'm still gonna go back to Anakin's Lightsaber as the biggest sticking point, since it's a HUGE plot device in Episode VII. It called out specifically to Rey. Maz Kanata said that the belonging she was seeking was ahead of her (she's with Luke now) and that was also based on the calling of the Force, and when confronted with someone we KNOW is Anakin's direct descendant – the lightsaber even chose her over Ben. It was lost during Luke & Vader's conflict on Bespin, and of all the Force users that it could possibly have called out to – why Palpatine's kid? That's exacerbated by the fact that Palpatine was the one who taught Vader how to bleed and forcibly take over a kyber crystal to bend it to his will (why Sith blades are red), but the connection between the blade and Rey is a natural one – evident especially because she doesn't call to it – it calls to her. That's not a connection that's just going to be present because she's a powerful Force user, as the crystals are exceptionally picky who they call to, and there's no reason for it to choose Palpatine's child.
Lastly, The Star Wars Episodic films follow the Skywalker story, so.......
tl;dr – fun theory, but it doesn't line up at all.
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Wait, so your friend thinks Rey is not only a Palpatine, but a descendant of Sheev himself? Cuz I can't imagine Sheev actually having children.
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Being alive isn't an excuse. Padme and Anakin's mother were alive and Anakin felt strong feelings for them before becoming a Jedi, he nevertheless should have not allowed them back into his life if he wanted to stick to the no attachments reel. He didn't and neither did Luke with Leia or Ben. I don't why it's impossible to have a however brief romance for a time too. And not getting laid is not the only core tenant of being a Jedi.
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With the original Jedi Order completely destroyed, the only person who gets to decide whether or not Luke was a Jedi was Yoda. Yoda basically said that he had to confront Vader and the Emperor as his Jedi trials, and Luke passed them. Luke is a Jedi regardless of whether or not he has attachments to others or gets into a relationship, because the last extant head of the Jedi Council declared that he was one – making Luke the last living Jedi. How Luke interprets and guides the teachings of the Jedi from that point on are pretty much up to him at this point, and it might even be those restrictive teachings that cause him to say that it's time for the Jedi to end after the destruction of his academy.
At any rate, none of that really has any bearing on the theory that Rey somehow being Palpatine's second cousin twice removed on his mother's side being is more plausible than Luke having a kid after RotJ – because it still doesn't offer ANY justification for Anakin's lightsaber calling out to her, since that connection isn't just built to call to a powerful Forcce user, but something that it has an intrinsic connection to.
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At any rate, none of that really has any bearing on the theory that Rey somehow being Palpatine's second cousin twice removed on his mother's side being is more plausible than Luke having a kid after RotJ – because it still doesn't offer ANY justification for Anakin's lightsaber calling out to her, since that connection isn't just built to call to a powerful Forcce user, but something that it has an intrinsic connection to.
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See, that headcanon one's still cool to me as well, specifically because of one REALLY big point about the Episodic Star Wars films, which was reiterated in the announcement about Rian Johnson's new trilogy:
The Episodic Star Wars films are literally called, "The Skywalker Saga" so Rey being a Skywalker in SOME capacity is pretty damn important to that. While we do see Ben, Leia, & Luke as extant Skywalkers in TFA – the developments in the saga don't really BELONG to them in a way that would make it still appropriate to be the Skywalker Saga with a non-Skywalker at the helm.
For example: While Obi-Wan is an INCREDIBLY important player in the Prequels, they're still not the Kenobi trilogy, as the story being told ultimately belongs to Anakin. I feel the same way about Rey in TFA, and with Anakin's lightsaber calling out to her as the main Force wielding character in "The Skywalker Saga" it's pretty obvious where I think that her lineage lies.
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The Episodic Star Wars films are literally called, "The Skywalker Saga" so Rey being a Skywalker in SOME capacity is pretty damn important to that. While we do see Ben, Leia, & Luke as extant Skywalkers in TFA – the developments in the saga don't really BELONG to them in a way that would make it still appropriate to be the Skywalker Saga with a non-Skywalker at the helm.
For example: While Obi-Wan is an INCREDIBLY important player in the Prequels, they're still not the Kenobi trilogy, as the story being told ultimately belongs to Anakin. I feel the same way about Rey in TFA, and with Anakin's lightsaber calling out to her as the main Force wielding character in "The Skywalker Saga" it's pretty obvious where I think that her lineage lies.
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TLJ confirmed to be 2hs30min (credits inclused), making it the longest movie in the franchise.
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