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That isn't the point. The point is their self-perceptions of themselves as something monstrous, both incapable and undeserving of a good, ordinary life.
The Avengers, AoU, Infinity War, & Endgame films
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i always felt whedon was one of those dudes who means super well, but kind trips and falls face first sometimes. death threats seem unnecessarily mean tho.
i hope mark ruffalo is still safe because i luv him.
i hope mark ruffalo is still safe because i luv him.
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My buddy described it quite well when we discussed this today. For Black Widow, the process of being turned into an ruthless assassin whose ledger was dripping with red, (as Loki described it) i.e. being made into a monster ALSO took away the part of her humanity that gives her the chance of having a normal family life with kids -- just like the gamma radiation making Banner into the Hulk (a monster) took that same opportunity away from him.
Not having that doesn't make them monsters, but LOSING it to that process makes them both FEEL more like monsters because it made them notice another way that they were each even less like everyone else when they weren't BEING a monster.
He also mentioned a few other important points along those lines:
• Everyone else on the team but Banner is a fighter, which is what drew their relationship together, and it's probably because that's what she wants for herself, and why they talk about running away from it all. (Good point for people who didn't get their chemistry).
• It was Hulk and not Banner that decided to remove himself from the team when he was on the jet.
• We don't know what Scarlet Witch's vision showed him, and that's the only character that that's true for.
Not having that doesn't make them monsters, but LOSING it to that process makes them both FEEL more like monsters because it made them notice another way that they were each even less like everyone else when they weren't BEING a monster.
He also mentioned a few other important points along those lines:
• Everyone else on the team but Banner is a fighter, which is what drew their relationship together, and it's probably because that's what she wants for herself, and why they talk about running away from it all. (Good point for people who didn't get their chemistry).
• It was Hulk and not Banner that decided to remove himself from the team when he was on the jet.
• We don't know what Scarlet Witch's vision showed him, and that's the only character that that's true for.
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Spoiler interview with Joss Whedon:
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...-spoiler-podcast-joss-whedon-and-paul-bettany
Or if you want the tl;dr summary:
http://globegander.tumblr.com/post/118167229606/joss-whedon-talks-about-deleted-scenes-and
https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...-spoiler-podcast-joss-whedon-and-paul-bettany
Or if you want the tl;dr summary:
http://globegander.tumblr.com/post/118167229606/joss-whedon-talks-about-deleted-scenes-and
I find the bit about the changed scene with Hulk at the end interesting because they knew people would think Planet Hulk and wanted to avoid it and yet you still see quite a few people that assumed that's what the scene was about (even though the jet is not space-capable and Fury even says the thing crash-landed somewhere)
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Test audiences SUCK. They're the reason we got the shitty ending to I Am Legend that totally destroyed the whole point of the film, and now apparently
UGH.
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why the scene in the Reflection Pool wasn't nearly as good or as well-constructed as it should've been.
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What a waste for
quicksilver's death He's like a One shot character that never got the chance to shine.
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Quicksilver's better off being in the X-Men-verse. He wasn't bad here and I enjoyed his character, but there's no way they came close to the Days of Future Past version of him. I'd rather see Wanda stay with the MCU and Quicksilver & Polaris be free for X-Men.
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The Twilight Mexican
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I actually
preferred this version of Pietro on the whole. Still very satisfied with how his story played out, though.
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A post worth reading: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/05/black-widows-feminist-heroism/
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That was a great article, X.
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Interslicery
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Exactly why I wonder why anyone even bothers paying any attention to this kindof stuff on the net. Everyone just bitches at everyone else because they have a slightly different viewpoint, as if bitching about something will do anything besides show that you care enough about something to bitch.
It's fucking irritating.
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Everyone needs to go read what Mark Ruffalo said about the whole thing on his AMA on Reddit. Seriously. http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._back_again_on_reddit_lets_talk_water/cr06s9u
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Avengers: Infinity War to be shot in IMAX
Not just a few scenes, the entire damn thing. First Hollywood movie to do that.
(I mean, it's not the same as those 70mm IMAX film cameras but still)
Not just a few scenes, the entire damn thing. First Hollywood movie to do that.
(I mean, it's not the same as those 70mm IMAX film cameras but still)
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I just watched it with my parents, 
. As a general non-spoiler review / opinion, also taking my parents' views (and age?) into consideration, the Avengers and the whole Marvel universe movies have become a bit... convoluted? idk; A lot of the dialog and characters are in direct relation to previous movies, and if you don't remember them properly you're missing a lot. Second, the movie is rather crammed, with a lot of direct and indirect storylines crossing each other constantly.
Personally, I think
. As a general non-spoiler review / opinion, also taking my parents' views (and age?) into consideration, the Avengers and the whole Marvel universe movies have become a bit... convoluted? idk; A lot of the dialog and characters are in direct relation to previous movies, and if you don't remember them properly you're missing a lot. Second, the movie is rather crammed, with a lot of direct and indirect storylines crossing each other constantly.Personally, I think
Vision didn't get nearly as much character building as he should have - I mean, I think I sorta get that he's an android with a magical~ stone ins his head, but who is he? Is he Ultron 2.0? Jarvis? Some Ultron/Jarvis/Mind-stone (?) hybrid? Plus... what does he even do besides fly and shoot rays from his forehead? What is he? Either he was given too little screen time to be a proper origin story, or it's assumed the audience already knows all about him from the comic books. Also, he gets one or two minutes of screen time after he emerges, and then he's just one of the guys - without any major influence or personality in the story after that. IDGI.
Edit: I googled around, I'll assume his character will get fleshed out much moar in Civil War. Still though, it's... daring? movie-making to have a character underdeveloped after his first appearance.
Edit: I googled around, I'll assume his character will get fleshed out much moar in Civil War. Still though, it's... daring? movie-making to have a character underdeveloped after his first appearance.
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I know Avengers is a precious film, sir. Civil War going to be even more so. I think they're leaving some open-ended shit here so they can continue on and conclude it at Civil War, what saddens me is they won't be able to conclude Captain America's arc with Bucky.
