The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[Kobato]

Based on what?'

Have you played the game ? At all ?

See above about knowing him all too well and supporting the mentally weak side of him.

She supported him because she's not a terrible bitch. Also she wants to say to Cloud that she loves him, she wants her hero back.

Based on what?'

Have you played the game ? At all ?

See above about knowing him all too well and supporting the mentally weak side of him.

She supported him because she's not a terrible bitch. Notice I said 'not' though everybody seems to think I'm 'Tifa bashing', just because I don't like Cloti.

It's also not uncommon for people to be MASSIVELY WRONG.
HINT. HINT.
'

You think I'm wrong, just because you don't like what you are reading, and disagree. Riiiiight. You may disagree, but there's no right or wrong on this.

 

[Eerie]

I'd also like to point out, once again, that there are several months passing between the well date [yes, because it's a spot for dates] and Cloud's departure for Soldier. Explain to me how she wouldn't have known him more during those few months. Obviously, Tifa was interested before that.

In “CC” she undertakes the role of guide for the mako reactor investigation team. From her asking about Cloud to Zack and the others, you can tell she has been concerned about him for a long time.

Concerned. She wanted to know how he was doing. Not OMG did he become my hero at least?!!!1!1!1

Apart from being Cloud’s childhood friend, she is also the woman who understands him all too well and devotedly supports the mentally-weak side of him. Although she seems spirited and cheerful, she actually has a family-oriented and modest personality, often paying attention to her surroundings.

Damn, where is the manipulative mentality she's supposed to have? Also, as Ryu said, she devotedly supports the mentally-weak side of him, which doesn't seem to come altogether with the idea of a Tifa who only wants a hero in her pants. Just sayin'.

Possessing both the face of a woman and a warrior,
Cloud’s Childhood friend.

Age: 20

「 Hey, Cloud. 5 years ago ・・・・・・. ・・・・・・ No, forget it. I’m too afraid ・・・・・・ to ask. 」

Cloud's childhood friend, despite what you think. And also, yes. Too afraid. Not because her dream would shatter, but because she's not sure herself. Hell, this girl has been in a coma once, has been stabbed by Sephiroth, how can she rely on her memories when she's not so sure herself? Especially since Cloud hid himself that time, ashamed that he didn't make it into Soldier.

She was reunited with Cloud during one of AVALANCHE’s activities, and invited him to join the organization in order to watch over him after finding many strange aspects in his speech and behavior. During the time they were participating in the anti-ShinRa activities together, they ended up fighting with Sephiroth for the sake of AVALANCHE’s aims, which was to 「Save the Planet」, as well as for her and Cloud to settle their past. Although she was unable to stop his ego from crumbling and becoming Sephiroth’s puppet, she persevered in helping him stand up once again after that incident.

What is so hard to understand, I do not know. She made him join AVALANCHE because she thought he wasn't acting like himself [remember, she NEVER knew him as a hero, yet he built up that personality when he met her, because it's the idea he had of her hero... Cloud, you were doing it wrong anyway].

The battle with Sephiroth also made her help him to stand up again, find his true self in the Lifestream sequence and understand what has been really going on back then in Nibelheim. Oh, and settle their feelings along the way for each other.

Out of goodwill for Cloud, she didn’t voice out her personal thoughts. There, her suspicions about Cloud, whose strange speech and conduct conflicted with facts from the past, also . . . .

Still no manipulation, but worry and concern for Cloud, and what happened back then.

She ventured into Lifestream together with Cloud. Amidst the course of him trying to ascertain his memories, they became aware of the thoughts/feelings which each other was holding.

There's simply no competition from the Lifestream scene onwards. Period.

In Advent Children

Believes in the strength not to yield to “Memories”,
Continues to support Cloud, who has closed his heart to others.

I still see no hero there. Am I confused or is SE saying "Tifa loves Cloud, and will stick by him, no matter what?"

I want to see Cloud — Marlene’s honest words, which reflected what Tifa felt in her own heart, caused her to smile. The present Tifa isn’t just Cloud’s childhood friend, but also the mother of the ‘family’ they were forming in Edge.

Do I even need to comment that one?

Even though being burdened with painful “memories” is the same for everyone － Unable to do much for Cloud who is always dragging around his regrets for the past, she subconsciously raises her voice.

And gets him out of his funk. Also, acts like a girlfriend.

In Before Crisis

Took advantage of her encounter with the Turks,
Lead Sephiroth and the rest.

Age: 15

Appeared in the chapter which depicted the details of the Nibelheim incident five years prior to FFVII. Saved from an attack by monsters at Mt. Nibel thanks to a Turk, she took the opportunity to assume the role of a guide for the Mako Reactor investigation team. She seems to be in a state of worry about Cloud, but is able to hear about him from bits and pieces of her conversation with the Turk.

Worry. Not "*_________* My hero is he?"

In Crisis Core

Holding the hope of a reunion in her heart,
The young lady who waited for the SOLDIERs.

Age: 15

She was placed as the ‘village girl who met the protagonist Zack at Nibelheim where he had been assigned to’. When she heard that there would be SOLDIERs coming to the village, she looked forward to being reunited with a Cloud who had became excellent/praiseworthy. However, she was unable to meet with him and though disappointed deep down, she lead the SOLDIERs towards the Nibel Reactor. Alongside the figure from Cloud’s recollection scene in FFVII, Tifa’s situation prior to Mt. Nibel and the Reactor is revealed.

And because I'm not of bad faith, here is what you hope for However, it's not because he hasn't became excellent that she's disappointed, but because she can't meet him [hence the title: holding the hope of a reunion in her heart].

All the others mentions of Cloud back then show that she was worried about him, not that she wanted to see him as a SOLDIER.

· FFVII – Mideel
She was reunited with Cloud, who had been poisoned by Mako. She separated from her companions in order to nurse him.

· FFVII – Junon
Falls into the Lifestream. She finds out about the truth of five years ago in Cloud’s spirit world and helps him regain his true self.

[Tifa's map]. If she were so horrible and manipulative, she wouldn't do that. She nurses him, and helps him to regain his true personality. I wonder why the Cleriths loath so much Tifa, that she should have told him the truth before? Is that because the Lifestream scene is so clear about Cloud's true feeling and the bond that you can see between Cloud and Tifa is revealed? Without it, it'd be a much easier case for the Cleriths, I bet.

The only woman who knows Cloud’s past.

In FF7, Tifa is the only one who knows Cloud’s childhood, and furthermore, she holds the key to people involved in the story of Nibelheim’s burning down, which is also depicted in CC. She and Cloud came to realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC.

I wonder why people still think that there's no canon depicted by SE because SE seems adamant in having Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for each other and live together.

· FFVII – Mideel
Now suffering Mako Poisoning, he was nursed by Tifa, but they fell into the Lifestream. With Tifa’s help he retraced his memories, and regained his true self.

[Cloud's map]. For anyone thinking he still wasn't himself after the Lifestream sequence

Cloud and Tifa

Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends, both born in Nibelheim. When Cloud leaves the village, he calls Tifa out to the water tower and promises that he will become a SOLDIER. At the same time, he is also made by Tifa to promise that he will come to rescue her if she is ever in trouble.

Following this, the pair experience many hardships, such as the Nibelheim incident which also appears in CC, and the Jenova War in FFVII, and through these the distance between them shortens. And in AC they live together, with Barret’s daughter Marlene and a boy named Denzel. Though there was also a period later where Cloud lived away from them after having contracted Geostigma, they finally reach a commune with each over and return to living together once again. In DC, they rush together to Vincent’s aid, in his battle against Deep Ground SOLDIER.

SE soooo haven't got any canon pairing that they made an entry for Cloud and Tifa in the CC Complete's Guide Keywords, but none about Cloud and Aerith. Oh, the lulz. Stating how much, from the beginning 'til then, through many hardship, they still are together, as a pair. I wonder how much SE must spell it?

- The line “Words aren’t the only way to talk someone how you feel,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

Yes, they had sex. In case anyone still doubts it. And really, if anyone think Tifa would have sex with anyone just because he's in SOLDIER... Then I think that person would not deserve my attention. Same for Cloud, he wouldn't do it with Tifa just because she looks hot.

For the one I love
Through the long journeys, the love of the protagonists develop. Occasionally they become separated, but the two’s value to one another gives them the great strength to overcome whatever crisis may come.

The night before the final battle

Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match.

[Amongst other canon pairings].
Yep, no friendship, no aw poor Tifa, sorry.. nope. For the one I love, explicit, and explicitely said that they have sex [once again] and that they are in love with each other, that those feelings aren't of friendship or whatever.

Now go on, continue your debates, but if you want to resort to actual facts and arguments, just go and pick them up from what SE said, not from "this is how I feel..". SE said many things regarding the love triangle in FFVII, and many times they hammered Cloud and Tifa through the roof. I'm not saying Aerith's not important to Cloud, because she is, but it's not so much romantically than a precious person. The real Cloud has always been about Tifa, period.

 

[Kobato]

Yes, they had sex. In case anyone still doubts it. And really, if anyone think Tifa would have sex with anyone just because he's in SOLDIER... Then I think that person would not deserve my attention. Same for Cloud, he wouldn't do it with Tifa just because she looks hot.

The real Cloud has always been about Tifa, period.

They only have sex. If you rate high in the date mechanism with Tifa. If you rate low, Cloud will hardly give a shit about Tifa. So biased.

This is the debate.

Me- " FF VII has a date mechanism, FF VII is does not have a confirmed paring, I really don't like Cloud being with Tifa ''

Everybody else- " You don't like Tifa being with Cloud so " Youz r a Tifa basher " ! And Cloud and Tifa are together, because we want them to be together " !

This is so fricken Tifa biased. Whatever I'm going to get a cup of tea or something.

 

[Vendel]

They only have sex. If you rate high in the date mechanism with Tifa. If you rate low, Cloud will hardly give a shit about Tifa. So biased.

This is the debate.

Me- " FF VII has a date mechanism, FF VII is does not have a confirmed paring, I really don't like Cloud being with Tifa ''

Everybody else- " You don't like Tifa being with Cloud so " Youz r a Tifa basher " ! And Cloud and Tifa are together, because we want them to be together " !

This is so fricken Tifa biased. Whatever I'm going to get a cup of tea or something.

 

[Eerie]

They only have sex. If you rate high in the date mechanism with Tifa. If you rate low, Cloud will hardly give a shit about Tifa. So biased.

This is the debate.

Me- " FF VII has a date mechanism, FF VII is does not have a confirmed paring, I really don't like Cloud being with Tifa ''

Everybody else- " You don't like Tifa being with Cloud so " Youz r a Tifa basher " ! And Cloud and Tifa are together, because we want them to be together " !

This is so fricken Tifa biased. Whatever I'm going to get a cup of tea or something.

What we are saying and that you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the date mechanism doesn't matter, and that SE tells us a story that you can play, and even if YOUR results differ, it doesn't matter because the story goes ONE WAY with its own canon. You can play and never find Yuffie and Vincent. They still exist in canon, they still are Cloud's allies.

You can play and never have the romantic scene under the Highwind. It still did occur, and Cloud and Tifa still are in love with each other. In case you hadn't noticed, those are all facts stated by the creators themselves, who from people who worked with them. SE is saying 'there, Cloud and Tifa, they are together, they are in love with each other'. The fact that you don't want to understand that makes me ponder about your ability to read.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

You all are aware you're being trolled? right?

Although I do really love the canon versus fanon stuff going on. **eats popcorn** Continue, I've missed this shit.

 

[Mi-Mi]

Cloud doesent love Tifa. And he DIDENT have sex with her that part has 3 versions.
and if he did It DOESENT MEAN HE LOVES HER. and why tifa acted that way on the high version? because Cloud turned her down. and in aeriths date she says that hes different than zack

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Cloud doesent love Tifa. And he DIDENT have sex with her that part has 3 versions.
and if he did It DOESENT MEAN HE LOVES HER. and why tifa acted that way on the high version? because Cloud turned her down. and in aeriths date she says that hes different than zack

Correction: THAT'S trolling.

badly.



Come on, bring on the good trolls. I know you're out there...

 

[Mi-Mi]

Correction: THAT'S trolling.

badly.



Come on, bring on the good trolls. I know you're out there...

I am not trolling this thread has to many Clotis that belive its cannon.
when its clear that Clerith IS cannon.
I mean people that say stuff like OMG Cloud and Tifa where Childhood friends that means they love eachother that really gets me mad

and the date scene for aerith has a higher change of happning there for Square-enix (or square soft at the time) are saying that Cloud and Aerith have a higher chance

and aerith tells cloud that her relationship with zack is "all in the past now".

 

[Raquelborn]

and the date scene for aerith has a higher change of happning there for Square-enix (or square soft at the time) are saying that Cloud and Aerith have a higher chance

When did Square say Cloud and Aerith have a higher chance of going on a date? Please state the source of this?

As far as I was aware the chances of Tifa or Aerith for the date are pretty much the same because before you even meet Aerith you've had 3-4 times to up Tifa's affection, and to balance it out they upped the points for the times you might be nice to Aerith.

I might be wrong.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I am not trolling this thread has to many Clotis that belive its cannon.
when its clear that Clerith IS cannon.
I mean people that say stuff like OMG Cloud and Tifa where Childhood friends that means they love eachother that really gets me mad

and the date scene for aerith has a higher change of happning there for Square-enix (or square soft at the time) are saying that Cloud and Aerith have a higher chance

and aerith tells cloud that her relationship with zack is "all in the past now".

**nods sagely** Wow, I never thought of it that way, and I have absolutely no counter argument. You, friend, are a genius who has swayed me to the pink light. Hallelujah!!

 

[Celes Chere]

I mean people that say stuff like OMG Cloud and Tifa where Childhood friends that means they love eachother that really gets me mad

I mean people that say stuff like OMG Cloud and Aerith knew each other for less than a month that means they love eachother really gets me lulzing.

Childhood friends is understandable - not only is it a common cliche in a lot of RPGs, but just damn cliche in general. <XD Ignoring that, Cloud and Tifa had an interest in one another as children. It may not have been big in YOUR opinion, but according to the facts, their feelings were concrete - a legitimate crush. No where does it say Tifa likes Cloud because she wants to manipulate him, use him, or because she wants a God damn SOLDIER as a boyfriend. After Cloud leaves, Tifa shows that she ACTUALLY cares about him, wondering how he's doing and being disappointed when he 'doesn't' show up at Nibelheim later. She calls him her knight in shining armor, not because she WANTS him to literally be this badass hero etc etc, but because she fucking likes him. It's like calling the guy you like a Prince - he isn't literally a Prince, but to you, HE IS. FFS. How is this hard to get through the THICK ASS SKULL?

My God. Anyway moving on, the high affection scene is the ONLY one refrenced in the Ultimanias. I think we can count that one as canon. Looking at the optional version, Cloud DOESN'T treat Tifa like crap, he is just more kept to himself rather than telling her more of his feelings. They still spend the night together. Any work (Ultimanias), references, state that Cloud and Tifa shared their feelings and now live together. SO GET OVER IT.

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE FUCKING DATES! THEY ARE ALL FUCKING OPTION SO WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK.
All this damn stupid is making me LOSE IT.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I mean people that say stuff like OMG Cloud and Aerith knew each other for less than a month that means they love eachother really gets me lulzing.

Stop trying to quantify emotion into a timeline. Who the fuck cares if they knew each other 2 minutes or 2 years? They fell in love, period, and that's really all there is to say about that.

Childhood friends is understandable - not only is it a common cliche in a lot of RPGs, but just damn cliche in general.

Cliche or not, they WEREN'T childhood friends, remember? Tifa herself said they weren't that close. You can't build a foundation for future romance on something that's nonexistent to begin with. Your interpretation of what qualifies as 'friend' means jackall when the character in question denies the claim.

<XD Ignoring that, Cloud and Tifa had an interest in one another as children. It may not have been big in YOUR opinion, but according to the facts, their feelings were concrete - a legitimate crush.

See above.

Kid-Cloud may have had his Tifa wet dreams but there is no evidence that the feelings were reciprocated at the time. You can claim Cloud had interest in Tifa, but you can't claim it was mutual.

No where does it say Tifa likes Cloud because she wants to manipulate him, use him, or because she wants a God damn SOLDIER as a boyfriend. After Cloud leaves, Tifa shows that she ACTUALLY cares about him, wondering how he's doing and being disappointed when he 'doesn't' show up at Nibelheim later. She calls him her knight in shining armor, not because she WANTS him to literally be this badass hero etc etc, but because she fucking likes him. It's like calling the guy you like a Prince - he isn't literally a Prince, but to you, HE IS. FFS. How is this hard to get through the THICK ASS SKULL?

She literally wants to be rescued like a damsel. She says as much. that she wants to experience being saved by a 'Hero' just once, and given that the biggest heroes on Gaia at the time were SOLDIERs it's a logical correlation that her knight=soldier. It's not at all fantastical talk, but can be and is founded in the concrete belief that their world's heroes exist and are SOLDIERs. So yes, she literally wants him to be all bad-ass for her.

My God. Anyway moving on, the high affection scene is the ONLY one refrenced in the Ultimanias.

Yes, but it is NOT the only one that exists in the game.

I think we can count that one as canon. Looking at the optional version, Cloud DOESN'T treat Tifa like crap, he is just more kept to himself rather than telling her more of his feelings.

Because given how you play the date mechanics Tifa may not want to ride his disco stick. Point? How does this change whether or not Cloud loved Aerith? It doesn't he loved her. So of course he's not going to tell clingy bitch Tifa he wants her.

They still spend the night together. Any work (Ultimanias), references, state that Cloud and Tifa shared their feelings and now live together. SO GET OVER IT.

No U! Of course they shared their feelings. Those emotions are never specified and one could argue that they talked of impending doom, their fears and their affection for one another. He likes Tifa, she's his friend, but he loooooooves Aerith. Get it through YOUR thick skull.

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE FUCKING DATES! THEY ARE ALL FUCKING OPTION SO WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK.
All this damn stupid is making me LOSE IT.

Yes, but Aerith's date fits more logically within the narrative. How else do we learn of her desire to meet Cloud? Which we all know is code for 'give oral to on the Gondola'. You're trying too hard to shove Tifa into Aerith's shoes. Bitch has big feet and she doesn't fit. Clerith is canon. Jezus. Stoopid fucking clotis.


And that's how you troll.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Cloud doesent love Tifa. And he DIDENT have sex with her that part has 3 versions.
and if he did It DOESENT MEAN HE LOVES HER. and why tifa acted that way on the high version? because Cloud turned her down. and in aeriths date she says that hes different than zack

lol 3 parts

lol sex means he doesnt love her

needs moar spirit sex an soul bonding

also WUT CLOUD WASN'T WEARING A SOLDIER UNIFORM IN FF7? I thot he pried it off of Zack's dead body like the hobo that he was

 

[Madame Mayor]

And he DIDENT have sex with her that part has 3 versions.

Very much so a troll, considering the person who created this rumour in the first place has since then taken it back and no longer uses that argument.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Of course, getting her to do it was rather like pulling teeth...

Even we are being trolled, the Yoster is acting like an honest Clerith. Plus, it's fun. I certainly have been enjoying myself since she started.

Mi-Mi... is a bad troll. Very bad. Unless she's serious, in which case she is sad, very sad.

 

[Homura Akemi]

*sigh* what do trolls get out of this :/ must be cus there in denial or something, Also isent there 2 versions not 3 I cant remeber, all I remeber is the high and low version of the Highwind part

 

[Raquelborn]

She might actually not be a troll. She might have been brainwashed by clerith.com. That means she's innocently spouting this stuff without realising how wrong it is. Maybe we should be kinder?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Mi-Mi is Sloppygegger's sockpuppet, so she definitely isn't.

Yoshi could be brainwashed, but it's a willful delusion at this point. We must in such a situation, be cruel to be kind.

 

[Homura Akemi]

Mi-Mi is Sloppygegger's sockpuppet, so she definitely isn't..

Lol What?, I was curious how a Bad troll would do here lol sorry peeps false alarm, did'nt mean to get anyone angry >_<... hopes I dont get banned :<

 

[Sigbru]

This is kinda of off-topic, but I'm curious, what are the 3 versions of the Under the Highwind scene? I though all that changed was Tifa's reaction when Cid and Barret told her they were watching

 

[Fighter]

This is kinda of off-topic, but I'm curious, what are the 3 versions of the Under the Highwind scene? I though all that changed was Tifa's reaction when Cid and Barret told her they were watching

There are only two versions. In one Tifa says, "You were listening?", and walks away. In the other she says, "You were watching?", and covers her face in embarrassment.

 

[Vendel]

There are only two versions. In one Tifa says, "You were listening?", and walks away. In the other she says, "You were watching?", and covers her face in embarrassment.

Don't forget the one where Cloud rejects her.

Or was that in all three versions?

 

[OneWingedDemon]

http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/2010/09/dissidia-duodecim-prequel-to-last-years.html

LMAO! I saw the Dissidia!Tifa wank coming.

 

[peikko]

I keep hearing that he loved both girls long time.
But then I saw this scene where he is in a bedroom, alone with this black haired dude and the lights turned off. What happened? They slept?
Furthermore he was seen on a date with a big black man doing "stuff". And a homie told me that he also got it on with a tall guy with mustache and that a silver haired one keeps "impaling" him.
That brought me to the conclusion that he must be a fag pretending to be straight , like Ricky Martin before he outed himself.

Therefore I claim the true canon is CLENIS!



And here I`m spoilering reality:

Spoiler: reality

-You`re all just bio-batteries attached to some machines. That what you thought as reality is just a virtual world. All your "reasoning" is worth shit. ... Also, constructivism FTW!

peace