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Goodbye Charlie

Rising Chest-Bank Protestor
Don't you see? Cloud's mom was also a total Clerith-shipper.

-"You should have someone that is older and can take care of you."

Aerith is older, OMG. :aah:

...Or was that also one of those plot twists?

Actually if you read the statement properly, it's evident that his mother was totally, like, into Cloud have a ménage a tois.

-"You should have someone that is older (Aeris - we know she's older) and can take care of you (Tifa - we know she will take care of Cloud when wheelchair bound)."

Cloud's mom is like, totally made of teh awesome dude.
 

I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
Actually if you read the statement properly, it's evident that his mother was totally, like, into Cloud have a ménage a tois.

-"You should have someone that is older (Aeris - we know she's older) and can take care of you (Tifa - we know she will take care of Cloud when wheelchair bound)."

Cloud's mom is like, totally made of teh awesome dude.


I wish my mom were like that. :monster:

Though...

-"You should have someone that is older and can take care of you."

She could definitely be coming on to Cloud there. :monster:
 

Vendel

Banned
Actually if you read the statement properly, it's evident that his mother was totally, like, into Cloud have a ménage a tois.

-"You should have someone that is older (Aeris - we know she's older) and can take care of you (Tifa - we know she will take care of Cloud when wheelchair bound)."

Cloud's mom is like, totally made of teh awesome dude.

All jokey jokes aside. His conversation with his mother is meant to show us that something is wrong. Information is missing. Like Cloud is not interested in an older girl. He is obsessed with the (younger) big boobed cowgirl next door. But you don't find this out till the LS event.

It might also be part of that false love trail people bring up. "An older woman...AERITH"! *shank* Opps never mind.
 
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Fighter

Pro Adventurer
Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, "Then drink in your room."

It's a mistranslation actually. If I remember correctly the original doesn't specify which room. It literally says, "Go drink in the room." Or something like that.
 

I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
All jokey jokes aside. His conversation with his mother is meant to show us that something is wrong. Because Cloud is not interested in an older girl. He is obsessed with the (younger) big boobed cowgirl next door. But you don't find this out till the LS event.

That's what I said! :rage:

It might also be part of that false love trail people bring up. "An older woman...AERITH"! *shank* Opps never mind.

Or maybe Mrs. Strife herself! :reptar: NOTICE MY LOGICAL MIND AT WORK. THIS IS THE TRUTH I TELL YOU.
 

paoo

♥
Actually if you read the statement properly, it's evident that his mother was totally, like, into Cloud have a ménage a tois.

-"You should have someone that is older (Aeris - we know she's older) and can take care of you (Tifa - we know she will take care of Cloud when wheelchair bound)."

Cloud's mom is like, totally made of teh awesome dude.

LMAO. :lol:
But Cloud clearly states that he's 'not interested' in having a threesome.
 

I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
No it wasn't. :P

I said:
Methinks it has something to do with that incident with Tifa before in Mt. Nibel. I don't remember Mrs. Strife approving of Tifa, BTW. So she probably said this to try and divert his attention from the younger girl who gets him hurt and get him to try an older girl who'll take care of him.

Pretty much the same thar. Just with different words and stuff. :monster: Though mine is more subtle with the obsession and big boobs. :awesome: I don't think Tifa had big boobs when she was a kid. XDDDD

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LMAO. :lol:
But Cloud clearly states that he's 'not interested' in having a threesome.

He does? :huh: WHERE?! O_O
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
It's a mistranslation actually. If I remember correctly the original doesn't specify which room. It literally says, "Go drink in the room." Or something like that.

Technically, it doesn't even specify even 'the' room, if I remember correctly. Just 'go drink in room,' but 'the' is a good neutral specifier to put there for grammar's sake.
 

Fighter

Pro Adventurer
All jokey jokes aside. His conversation with his mother is meant to show us that something is wrong. Information is missing. Like Cloud is not interested in an older girl. He is obsessed with the (younger) big boobed cowgirl next door. But you don't find this out till the LS event

I actually think it's part of the misdirection before the twist. There are several things that kind of attempt to foreshadow a Clerith relationship but that aren't coming from Cloud. Caith Sith, Cloud's mom, Marlene, Aerith herself.
 

I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
I Am Not Me = :fail:
Cloud's mom: "You should have someone that is older than you (Aerith) You should have someone that can take care of you (Tifa)"

Cloud: "Not interested."

:awesomonster:

Oh yeah. I forgot that he responded to that. :awesome:

But that's because he was really into Zack. We know it to be true. :monster:


I actually think it's part of the misdirection before the twist. There are several things that kind of attempt to foreshadow a Clerith relationship but that aren't coming from Cloud. Caith Sith, Cloud's mom, Marlene, Aerith herself.

True. :)

This gets me thinking though. Are rapids immune to plot twists? >_>
 

Vendel

Banned
OMG. How about a blast from LTD past. I was browsing a different forum (that shall remain nameless) and the assumptions they had going in before seeing AC were lulz worthy to the max.

PN said:
At the end of FF7, Cloud clearly has a lot of unresolved issues. That's why he "left the hero's life" and lived on his own for two years.
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what does Cloud do to make the CloTis think he likes Tifa
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That's exactly the way I see it, too. Where do we ever hear Cloud say that he wants to be with Tifa?
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If Cloud does survive AC, he will be a significantly changed man. But if he shacks up with Tifa, that would be SE saying "Oh by the way, after all he's dealt with, Cloud realizes that holy crap! he loves Tifa and now they are going to spend the rest of their lives together" It would be scrapping the very foundation that made Cloud Cloud


Wow. Just wow. I don't know how some people can look in the mirror after having pretty much every fucking assumption you made going into the movie be wrong. And this was just one thread.

At that point I would just disappear from the internet in fucking embaressment.


Fighter said:
I actually think it's part of the misdirection before the twist. There are several things that kind of attempt to foreshadow a Clerith relationship but that aren't coming from Cloud. Caith Sith, Cloud's mom, Marlene, Aerith herself.

On the first play through it is more foreshadowing. But the next time through you can fill in the missing pieces of the conversation. The ones that conflicted with his constructed personality. Like I said. His conversation with his mother and Tifas reactions are meant to be clues something is not right with Cloud.
 
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I Am Not Me

The Mean Clack
AKA
Mei, Koibito, Stalker, Little Dude, Nami
WHUT. WAS. THAT. VENDEL. :doh:

At the end of FF7, Cloud clearly has a lot of unresolved issues. That's why he "left the hero's life" and lived on his own for two years.

So, uhh, I take it whoever wrote this didn't read the novella? :monster: He was clearly living on his own with Tifa. Yup. How could anyone have missed this?

what does Cloud do to make the Cleriths think he likes Aerith

Fixxxxed. :monster:

That's exactly the way I see it, too. Where do we ever hear Cloud say that he wants to be with Tifa?

*insert repetitively posted quote of Cloud's line from CoT saying exactly this*

If Cloud does survive AC, he will be a significantly changed man. But if he shacks up with Tifa, that would be SE saying "Oh by the way, after all he's dealt with, Cloud realizes that holy crap! he loves Tifa and now they are going to spend the rest of their lives together" It would be scrapping the very foundation that made Cloud Cloud

:rudefacepalm:
 

paoo

♥
At the end of FF7, Cloud clearly has a lot of unresolved issues. That's why he "left the hero's life" and lived on his own for two years.
.................
what does Cloud do to make the CloTis think he likes Tifa
.................
That's exactly the way I see it, too. Where do we ever hear Cloud say that he wants to be with Tifa?
.................
If Cloud does survive AC, he will be a significantly changed man. But if he shacks up with Tifa, that would be SE saying "Oh by the way, after all he's dealt with, Cloud realizes that holy crap! he loves Tifa and now they are going to spend the rest of their lives together" It would be scrapping the very foundation that made Cloud Cloud

Lol'd. :monster:
I'm too lazy to respond to all those stupid quotes.
I have done that for a couple of times before, so wtf. :awesome:
It's just too obvious, and they are friggin' stupid.
 

Isabella

Your Mom
I don't understand why they don't detect the pattern. Before every major release they make assumptions. (Rival orphanages, anyone?) And then post-release their assumptions are blown to bits. But it doesn't slow them down; they're right back to making crazy ass assumptions the next time. At what point does common sense kick in and they say, "could it be our interpretation is wrong?"
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Oh, have you found their rival Orphanage nonsense, Vendel?

BTW, Do take screenshots of some of those. Seeing the old ridiculous things amuses me to no end, and undeniable proof is always appreciated.
 

Raquelborn

"I slice your ass in 4."
AKA
Raq, Raquel.
Hello! Just have a few monkeyshines issues that were bothering me (sorry if they've already been addressed):

- While I agree Cloud was never in love with Aerith, did you guys really not think he had any romantic interest in her at all? A lot of their interactions seemed distinctly flirtatious to me. Of course, we'll never know for sure which actions he was responsible for and which were Zack's/various other personas', but we can't rule out the possibility that some were indeed his, and thus representative of his true feelings. After all, if he could genuinely feel affection, concern, grief, etc for Aerith (and the other party members) during disc 1 - feelings that carried over even AFTER he regained his true self - I don't think it's impossible for him to have felt (slight) attraction or romantic interest for her as well. Not that it really does much for the C/A-is-canon cause...

I always felt this, but like others have said because Cloud's flirting is very much in the player's hands on disc 1 it only means that for some people Cloud and Aerith were interested in each other, for others Cloud and Tifa were interested in each other and then there was even Barrett and Yuffie. But of course in the end Cloud and Tifa turn out to be interested in each other as programmed into the game so it doesn't further C/A much anyway.

- Also, in regards to Cloud and Tifa sharing a bed/room: I agree that it's a logical explanation for Cloud's lack of reaction to Tifa's presence at his bedside, but there's one line that keeps me from adopting it as the right one:
Does she just mean his office? But why wouldn't she just say "office"? Or is this just a problem of translation (eg. the original Japanese just said "drink in room" or something like that without saying whose room it was?)
I never thought that they shared a bed, a room...possibly but not a bed. I've read CoT twice now and I never got that impression. Partly for the quote you've highlighted he seems to have his own separate room. It's probably the office because it has his bed in it.

I assumed Cloud wasn't surprised with her presence because he had the door open or something so she could of wonder in whenever she likes. If he does sleep in the office then he probably wouldn't be suprised if she was in there herself sorting out stuff for the bar.

But then again didn't he have a "dubious"/"perplexed" face when he woke up? Maybe that was to her being in his room. (Though I'm sure the "Do you love me?" question would of been the first thing to freak him out).

It's a mistranslation actually. If I remember correctly the original doesn't specify which room. It literally says, "Go drink in the room." Or something like that.

It makes no sense if she's referring to a room they share though because she says the line when she's pissed off with him. She wouldn't send him to their room if she wants to get away from him.

Case of Tifa said:
Of course, there was no answer. I only heard the sound of him sleeping. I wondered if the fact that he was sleeping here meant that he was part of the family.
The highlighted line is for me the conformation that they are sharing a bed. It is the only thing that makes sense. Replace "here" with anywhere else but her bed and it makes no sense whatsoever. I even asked if it was a translation issue. It isn't.

I always assumed 'here' meant 7th Heaven as a few sentences before it's talking about living in the same house.

Then again there is never any mention of her getting up, walking into another room or crouching next to Cloud's own bed so it makes you wonder because she seems to go from a little thought on the family's situation to suddenly "After making certain that Cloud was asleep, she spoke to him." Why wasn't movement mentioned? Probably because she didn't move at all, she was right next to him. Hmmmm.
 
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Vendel

Banned
I always assumed 'here' meant 7th Heaven as a few sentences before it's talking about living in the same house.

For that to be true you would have to assume Cloud had not been living at 7th heaven before this point. So what makes more sense.

"Now that Cloud was sleeping in 7th heaven does that mean we are a family"

or

"Now that Cloud is sleeping on this cot in his office does that mean we are a family"

or

"Now that Cloud is sleeping in this bed does that mean we are a family"

As I said. For the first to be true you would somehow have to show that he does not in fact sleep where he lives. And the second one would require no special mention whatsoever. In fact nowhere in 7th heaven would require special mention other than Tifa's bed.


Then again there is never any mention of her getting up, walking into another room or crouching next to Cloud's own bed so it makes you wonder because she seems to go from a little thought on the family's situation to suddenly "After making certain that Cloud was asleep, she spoke to him." Why wasn't movement mentioned? Probably because she didn't move at all, she was right next to him. Hmmmm.

The only logical conclusion is that between Barret leaving and Denzil arriving Cloud and Tifa started sharing a bed.
 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
BTW, Do take screenshots of some of those.

ladyaerith.jpg

analtard.jpg

analard2.jpg
<-- warning hazardous to your health.
 

Fighter

Pro Adventurer
It makes no sense if she's referring to a room they share though because she says the line when she's pissed off with him. She wouldn't send him to their room if she wants to get away from him.

Why not? If they're hanging out in some other room she could have sent him off to the bedroom to be alone.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
They're STILL yammering on with the pointy rocks thing?

I'm curious why C and T would sleep on those self same pointy rocks if they'd be unwilling to schtup on 'em.

I DO so love how the word of the Ultimania becomes irrelevant when it's C/T oriented. Instead of adding two and two and getting four, they claim that one of the twos doesn't count and there's secretly a seven somewhere on the page.

You can't simply say it doesn't exist. At LEAST rationalize it. And that doesn't mean saying 'It's obviously WRONGYDITTYWRONGWRONG LALALA,' because this is FIAT. You can't ignore fiat no matter how much you try.
 
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