The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

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Worth the price of the game alone.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

As do the voice actors, but they don't matter so long as they aren't talking about Aeris (even though they were handpicked by Nomura).

 

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I thought the memory was general to the people he failed, i.e. Aeris, Zack and the Nibelheim doods. That's what he couldn't overcome.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

No, accordign to fanfiction the holy Cleris gospel, Tifa can never compete with even the memory of Aeris. And that's what SE meant.

 

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Yes, like Top Gun, there are no points for second place. Tifa's just a silver medal with boobs.

 

[Vendel]

Isn't it translated in the subtitles as "did we lose to our memories?"

As opposed to 'a memory or us'.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Weren't those bad memories? Of like failure, failing, screwing up and such? Wasn't Cloud's line to Seph(Stay in my memories)connected to Tifa's line?

Yes. It says right in the Reunion Files that those two lines are connected, and that they are about Sephy. Oh YouTube, so many LTDs go on there... some of the saddest ones you'll see.

EDIT: I see other replies saying the same thing that I missed when I went to post this. XP

No, accordign to fanfiction the holy Cleris gospel, Tifa can never compete with even the memory of Aeris. And that's what SE meant.

This. For some reason they think that this concept makes a fantastic story and a main character that everyone will love. He has a beautiful, sweet, devoted woman right in front of him who he had feelings for in the past, but he'd prefer to run around all emo over a girl he knew for a month who died. Clerith Cloud = FAIL

 

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Vendel: Yes. It was in the original, anyway.

 

[Vendel]

Oh YouTube, so many LTDs go on there... some of the saddest ones you'll see.

But they are fun.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

@ Balthz: Cause it puts Aeris on a pedestal: no one can ever be like Aeris. Even though canon tells us that in Cloud's mind, no one could ever be like Tifa, what with him thinking he wasn't worthy fo her attention in the past and shit, but who cares about canonz?

 

[Vendel]

@ Balthz: Cause it puts Aeris on a pedestal: no one can ever be like Aeris. Even though canon tells us that in Cloud's mind, no one could ever be like Tifa, what with him thinking he wasn't worthy fo her attention in the past and shit, but who cares about canonz?

Don't you get it. Tifa is IN THE PAST.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Even though Aerith's the one who died.

 

[Vendel]

Even though Aerith's the one who died.

But she is stalking Cloud from the lifestream. Plus she lives in his body. So she is not really gone. No matter how much Cloud wants her to be.


Whereas Tifa stopped being important the moment Cloud was stabbed by Sephy in the reactor.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Oh right, I forgot, I need to put on the pink goggles to fully understand the story

 

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Or the Cleris Condom. OWD, you still have that pic laying around?

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

By "some," are you referring to the same people who still insist that's a bobbing pink ribbon and not a solar flare? (ok it's not called a solar flare but you know what I mean.)

That whole theory that the lens flare is a pink ribbon has got to be one of the saddest pro-Clerith things I've ever read. They're bending over backwards, to clutch at pink straws.

At any rate, doesn't Crisis Core tie this precious ribbon of theirs in with Zack?

Yeah, yeah, I know - these theories probably popped up before Crisis Core came out. But it's still fun to imagine the faces of the floating-ribbon and spirit-sex proponents when they found out that Zack originally gave Aerith the ribbon, and that he's always by her side in the Lifestream.

 

[Vendel]

Oh right, I forgot, I need to put on the pink goggles to fully understand the story

AH! It's all so clear.

At any rate, doesn't Crisis Core tie this precious ribbon of theirs in with Zack?

Oh they have an essay to explain that away as well.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

This is only marginally more disturbing than the notion of spirit sex.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

At any rate, doesn't Crisis Core tie this precious ribbon of theirs in with Zack?

Yeah, yeah, I know - these theories probably popped up before Crisis Core came out. But it's still fun to imagine the faces of the floating-ribbon and spirit-sex proponents when they found out that Zack originally gave Aerith the ribbon, and that he's always by her side in the Lifestream.

Geez u gaiz, don't you know she SWITCHED her ribbon? It's one of those things they don't tell you about, but it's true. And there. I mean, the ribbons look totally different, the colors are different. Gawd, you people.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Geez u gaiz, don't you know she SWITCHED her ribbon? It's one of those things they don't tell you about, but it's true. And there. I mean, the ribbons look totally different, the colors are different. Gawd, you people.

Yeah, I read about that - and saw the picture "proof" - along with some more drivel about how the fact that she's wearing pink has nothing to do with the fact that Zack asked her to wear pink for their next date.

I'm just amusing myself thinking of how much effort those poor girls (and guys(?)) must've put into discrediting poor Zack's claim on Aerith's fashion sense.

 

[Vendel]

I'm just amusing myself thinking of how much effort those poor girls (and guys(?)) must've put into discrediting poor Zack's claim on Aerith's fashion sense.

Well the fact that many of Aeriths actions in FF7 are somehow influenced by Zack was something they could ignore. That was until CC came out. Then they had to go into overdrive to discredit Zerith (and Zack) as much as possible. Because he is nearly as big of a threat to teh OTP as Tifa.

Because remember. Aerith loved Cloud for Cloud. Who is this Zack person?

 

[Isabella]

Just to stimulate discussion of "newish" ideas (to amuse null ) ...

The revised version of Case of Tifa also sheds light on the idea of "the family". It's made clear that "the family" was actually Barret's idea, not Cloud's. Marlene is the one who invites Cloud to be part of the family, and Tifa is actually somewhat nervous with the idea of Cloud being part of it. This would suggest that Barret is indeed part of the family, which is reinforced when Marlene refers to Barret as "daddy" during her ACC conversation with Cloud. ... Other parts of the revised Case of Tifa remain basically the same as the original.

(She conveniently left out Cloud's added line at the beginning, but whatever.)

Nothing can be taken as a reference to ZackxAerith, since Case of Lifestream - White makes it clear that Aerith has moved on from her relationship with Zack.

What are people's thoughts on these interpretations?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The revised version of Case of Tifa also sheds light on the idea of "the family". It's made clear that "the family" was actually Barret's idea, not Cloud's. Marlene is the one who invites Cloud to be part of the family, and Tifa is actually somewhat nervous with the idea of Cloud being part of it. This would suggest that Barret is indeed part of the family, which is reinforced when Marlene refers to Barret as "daddy" during her ACC conversation with Cloud. ... Other parts of the revised Case of Tifa remain basically the same as the original.

Okay guys, you cannot have other major male/female figures in your life. You can't. You cannot adore a teacher who helped guide you, or an aunt who helped raise you. That's wrong and impossible, the only people who matter are your parents, dammit. Put those other adult figures aside!

 

[Vendel]

I'm not sure why the revised CoT gives them this big "AH HA Barret created the family so it's his".

From the original I got the idea that Barret created the family. By removing himself from the equation. Does it matter if he is the one that said "you three are now a family" if they do indeed become one?

Then again maybe it's all they have. After ACC pounding into their heads about FAMILY and it's importance to Cloud. I guess coming along and saying "it wasn't his idea" is somehow a factor.

Then again even with the new scenes and quotes from books, creators etc. They still insist that the end of ACC does not show Cloud returning to 7th heaven. So they are really not that important to him. More like collage roommates.

Spoiler

IT'S BARRET'S FAMILY AFTER ALL. NOT CLOUDS.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

It's the same idea as Aerith picking out her ribbon being a big deal. SINCE HE FORMED THE FAMILY, IT MEANS LESS TO HIM, JUST LIKE AERITH PICKING OUT THE RIBBON MEANS THAT AERITH MEANS LESS TO ZACK.