The Gunblade

muchmoxie

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Unfortunately, it didn't look as cool to me. :awesome: I was thinking maybe it looks exactly like the gunblade, except it's a keyblade.

You're right about that, it doesn't look as cool, but it is one of the coolest looking Keyblades Sora gets.
 

Alex

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There's nothing cool about the Keyblade. It's pretty gay all round.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
I remember thinking it was really stupid that the Keyblade just shot lasers into keyholes. It's a giant key, why can't you put it in the keyhole and turn it?

It's not cool, that's for sure, but I remember thinking it was a cool idea that it could open any lock, even though they really glossed over it in KH1, always thought they could do more with that. They kinda do it with chests.
 

Nikkolas

Banned
Gunblade is okay.
Keyblade is crap.
The worst weapon ever is Auron's Masamune.
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I can accept swords twice te length and just as wide as a the characters wielding them...but if the sword doesn't even have a fucking blade, come on.

That ridiculous design is one reason I try to avoid using Dark Knights in X-2.
 

muchmoxie

slow down, you crazy child
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kimmyowns, Oxydox
There's nothing cool about the Keyblade. It's pretty gay all round.

I didn't say that. I said it was the coolest (and coolest looking) out of all of them he gets. It's not cool.
 
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Sheva Alomar

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Adri, Sir Integra, Fiona, Sango
Gunblade is okay.
Keyblade is crap.
The worst weapon ever is Auron's Masamune.
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I can accept swords twice te length and just as wide as a the characters wielding them...but if the sword doesn't even have a fucking blade, come on.

That ridiculous design is one reason I try to avoid using Dark Knights in X-2.

You're kidding me right? The blade portion of the weapon IS, in fact, a blade. I don't see how anyone can not see it.
 

Bex

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Bex
Isn't the keyblade practically just a hooksword, therefore valid as a weapon?
I actually like the gunblade, it's stylistically awesome thus perfect for a game.
 

Nikkolas

Banned
You're kidding me right? The blade portion of the weapon IS, in fact, a blade. I don't see how anyone can not see it.

I think blade, i think of a long, pointed thing like grass or a sword. That claw or pincer thingy...I don't think is a blade. Even if it is, it's stupid looking and of no real worth in a fight.
 

Neo Bahamut

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Gunblade: It's not that bad. Although, to comment on Suspension of Disbelief, it doesn't work in the usual, logical sense. For example, most people think Cloud's jumping ability in Advent Children is ridiculous, but they can accept the Buster Sword. They're both equally impossible, & if Cloud is strong enough to wield that weapon, proportionally speaking, he'd be able to jump that high. But one is more unbelievable than the other. Suspension of Disbelief also works based on what is shown to be reasonable in the world. "It's not real" is often used to justify things that don't make sense, but fiction still has rules. I got a little disgusted with Fullmetal Alchemist when a certain character started turning shadows into blades & shit, because up until that point, everything that was manipulatable was made of matter. Shadows are not. Even though this shadow was special, it's still a stretch..

Buster Sword: It looks gay. Cloud gets much better swords throughout the entire game. I actually rued defeating Angeal in Crisis Core, because I knew it would mean I'd be using that piece of shit for the rest of the game. First Tsurugi was a much cooler weapon.

Masamune: I have to agree that it looks like it would be useless for fighting, due to its shape. However, I think it's one of the most awesome-looking weapons in the series, & far from the worst ever conceived.

Keyblade: I think it's a cool weapon. It's a magic key sword thing that's heavily tied in with the cosmology of the world. What's so bad about it? Sure, most of the weapons look gay, but then you start getting to ones like the Oathkeeper & the Oblivion. Hell, even the Divine Rose had an artistically badass look to it.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
The fact that you like the Keyblade and hate the Buster Sword confuses me. the Buster Sword at least has a discernible blade and if you were strong enough to wield it, it would work. The Keyblade wouldn't work under any stretch of circumstances. As I said earlier though, I thought the concept of it opening any lock was kinda cool.
 

Cat Rage Room

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Mog
I was under the impression that the Keyblade worked for more of a magical reason; as if the Keyblade was a kind of Kryptonite against Heartless or something, and that's why it didn't need an edge.

Also, nonwithstanding, it doesn't have an edge, but you can still beat the shit out of things with it. You think getting hit by that in multi hitting rapid fire combos wouldn't hurt?
 

Neo Bahamut

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M.O.G. has the right idea. The Keyblade is a very magical weapon. While it doesn't do magic damage in terms of gameply, it wouldn't be surprising for it to act like a sword, or even do damage in a way that's unique to it.

The Buster Sword is a BFS. And a particularly dull one at that. The Keyblade is more artistic & clever.

If you'll notice, I seem to like weapons with a bit of an imagination to them. The First Tsurugi has a very intricate mechanism of separating into different weapons, the Gunblade has its vibrating bit, I like the design of the Masamune even though it wouldn't possibly work, etc.

Speaking of, the Buster Sword wouldn't work, even if you were strong enough to use it. It would snap off at the handle.

All these things considered, I make this point: Works of fiction aren't devoid of logic, but they work on different logic.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
First, stop calling it the First Tsurugi, that's not its name. Second, you say the Buster Sword is a bland "BFS" but that you like the Masamune. All the Masamune is is an incredibly long katana, there's no real artistic license with it. And the Keyblade is just a big-ass key, I'm failing to see your point here.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
Isn't the keyblade practically just a hooksword, therefore valid as a weapon?
I actually like the gunblade, it's stylistically awesome thus perfect for a game.

Except the lack of bladed edge in most of its forms.

I think blade, i think of a long, pointed thing like grass or a sword. That claw or pincer thingy...I don't think is a blade. Even if it is, it's stupid looking and of no real worth in a fight.

I know he's banned, but I just gotta comment that Nikkolas does not know from blades and cannot see the entire length of the sides of Masamune are sharp, and thus, bladed, with spikes on the end.

Gunblade: It's not that bad. Although, to comment on Suspension of Disbelief, it doesn't work in the usual, logical sense. For example, most people think Cloud's jumping ability in Advent Children is ridiculous, but they can accept the Buster Sword. They're both equally impossible, & if Cloud is strong enough to wield that weapon, proportionally speaking, he'd be able to jump that high.

No. The physics don't support that assertion. Buster is heavy, but merely 20lbs heavy, certainly not more than 50. Wielding that != Superleaps.

But one is more unbelievable than the other. Suspension of Disbelief also works based on what is shown to be reasonable in the world. "It's not real" is often used to justify things that don't make sense, but fiction still has rules. I got a little disgusted with Fullmetal Alchemist when a certain character started turning shadows into blades & shit, because up until that point, everything that was manipulatable was made of matter. Shadows are not. Even though this shadow was special, it's still a stretch..

Actually suspension of disbelief doesn't have to be only with reasonable elements of the world, simply with things that don't jar you out of the narrative.

Buster Sword: It looks gay. Cloud gets much better swords throughout the entire game. I actually rued defeating Angeal in Crisis Core, because I knew it would mean I'd be using that piece of shit for the rest of the game. First Tsurugi was a much cooler weapon.

'First Tsurugi' is not the name of the fusion swords in any form. First ken is merely the nickname of the main blade.

Masamune: I have to agree that it looks like it would be useless for fighting, due to its shape. However, I think it's one of the most awesome-looking weapons in the series, & far from the worst ever conceived.

It's a Nodachi. How is that any more or less awesome looking than a Zweihander greatsword?

M.O.G. has the right idea. The Keyblade is a very magical weapon. While it doesn't do magic damage in terms of gameply, it wouldn't be surprising for it to act like a sword, or even do damage in a way that's unique to it.

Though it doesn't work like a 'blade' at all. It makes Bonk noises, even.

The Buster Sword is a BFS. And a particularly dull one at that. The Keyblade is more artistic & clever.

Artistic, perhaps, but clever, not necessarily.

If you'll notice, I seem to like weapons with a bit of an imagination to them. The First Tsurugi has a very intricate mechanism of separating into different weapons,

Fusion swords, and the mechanism isn't intricate at all, really. Rather straightforward and rugged.

the Gunblade has its vibrating bit, I like the design of the Masamune even though it wouldn't possibly work, etc.

The Masamune has no 'design.' Longer Nodachi's not a design.

Speaking of, the Buster Sword wouldn't work, even if you were strong enough to use it. It would snap off at the handle.

You base this assesment off of, what, exactly? The Handle is most certainly an integrated tang, like the fusion swords.
 

Max Payne

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There are actual replications of the Buster Sword in both size and length, and they work just fine for anyone strong enough to wield it properly.
 

Neo Bahamut

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The Masamune has no 'design.' Longer Nodachi's not a design.

...FFX's Masamune. Actually, I note that everyone made this mistake. So, I'll have to resort to CAPS LOCK! Unleash the Fucking Fury! for this next remark: READ THE CONTEXT, GOD DAMN IT!

There are actual replications of the Buster Sword in both size and length, and they work just fine for anyone strong enough to wield it properly.

I'd like to see some videos. Complete with them smacking it against a hard surface. Because most people who know a thing or 2 about physics tell me that it would snap due to the ratio between the tang & the rest of the blade.

First, stop calling it the First Tsurugi, that's not its name.

First, don't tell me what to do. Second, I know. Third, it's an unofficial nickname. Fourth, I'm going to keep using it, because it's simpler than, "The sword Cloud uses in AC."
 

Alessa Gillespie

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I believe it's the Fusion Sword, but not 100% sure. That's not to hard to type, right? :)
 

Neo Bahamut

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Fusion Sword is also a nickname. No more or less viable than First Tsurugi.

Edit: And besides, First Tsurugi is more widely-known. I'm compromising the VERY slight bit of additional accuracy I'd get from Fusion Sword to get my point across.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
Tsurugi means sword! First sword would be the Buster Sword, wouldn't it? And why are you arguing physics when you admitted that the swords you do like wouldn't work either. I mean, Cloud's AC sword is jsut as big if not bigger than the Buster Sword when fully assembled AND involves moving parts, making it all the more prone to break, but that doesn't bother you?

Why are you getting so fired up about this? All people asked is the inconsistencies in your preferences. You don't like the Buster Sword, fine. But when you try to say that's logical because of physics and dull design and go on to praise weapons that also lack said physics and design, people questioned it.
 

Dark and Divine

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D&D
I'd like to see some videos. Complete with them smacking it against a hard surface. Because most people who know a thing or 2 about physics tell me that it would snap due to the ratio between the tang & the rest of the blade.

Well then, maybe those people aren't aware of a type of japanese sword named "zanbatō".

These were swords with huge blades wich were used to attack horsemen by striking down their horses (Zanbato literally means "horse-slaying sword" or "horse-chopping saber").

Here's pics of some of these swords:

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Kinda similar to the Buster Sword, don't you think?
 

Neo Bahamut

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Lithp, Unholy Quadralateral
Force Stealer, you must not be reading the same topic. I pointed out the physical impossibilities of the Buster Sword when someone else pointed out that the Keyblade shouldn't "work."

I'm pointing out inconsistencies in other peoples' preferences.* If anyone's getting fired up, it's all of these people going, "NUH-UH! IT IS TOO POSSIBLE!"

*=And this is further proof you people aren't reading my posts. I've been trying to explain that Suspension of Disbelief doesn't work on some universal logic.

As for the Zanbato, yes, I am familiar with it. I'm familiar that it was not used in battle. Furthermore, the swords you have depicted are replicas of anime swords. At least, the 1st is Zabuza Momochi's blade, in Naruto, but I'm not so sure about the 2nd.
 

Max Payne

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Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Well then, maybe those people aren't aware of a type of japanese sword named "zanbatō".

These were swords with huge blades wich were used to attack horsemen by striking down their horses (Zanbato literally means "horse-slaying sword" or "horse-chopping saber").

Here's pics of some of these swords:

zanbato.jpg


IMG_2079.jpg

Kinda similar to the Buster Sword, don't you think?

LOLOLOL that's the Dragon Slayer from Berserk :monster:
 

Dark and Divine

Pro Adventurer
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D&D
About the pics...

Blame Google! :monster:

The article i read about Zanbato swords didn't have any pics and a google search only gave me pics of replicas like those. D:
 

Max Payne

Banned
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Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
:monster:

It's not like you're wrong all the same.
 
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