Are you fucking kidding me?! What even is... I don't even... WHAT?! Do you grasp, even slightly, how completely nonsensical what you just said is? So no fictional character is ever allowed to say anything non-relevant? Or relevant, but misleading or wrong? Cause seriously, ALL the bullshit must be called on this. ALL OF IT.
In the beginning of the game SE had Cloud and Barret go through a few exchanges regarding Cloud's apathy and how Cloud didn't seem to care for anything but himself. Barret tried to explain to Cloud that he should care for things outside of himself and that the planet was dying. Barret's pleas fell on deaf ears.
Then, Barret comments on how Aerith seems to be the first person Cloud cares for besides himself. Given the exchanges Cloud and Barret had during the beginning of the game, I can't help but think Barret's observation was INTENTIONAL on SE's part.
SE knew that Cloud rescued Tifa, yet they still wanted the gamer to hear Barret's observation about how Aerith seems to be the first person Cloud cares for besides himself. To me, that is significant. It is also significant that Barret's observation came after Cloud tells Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him and before Tifa's becomes jealous over the "world" Cloud and Aerith were forming. The placement of Barret's observation between both of those things makes it seem all the more significant and intentional on SE's part.
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One day, Barret came back with a wine bottle, heater, and various fruits. They were given to him as thanks for helping someone dismantle a house.
“I told you, just watch.” Barret skillfully started cooking, but they couldn’t see what he was doing. It had been about two weeks and the alcohol had been left to stand since then. They found out that it was some special alcohol made in the town of Corel. Tifa and Cloud sipped their alcohol slowly. Barret was drinking so much that you could probably bathe in the amount he drank. He looked like he was enjoying it and talked about his memories of peaceful times. Drunk, he fell into a well and spoke nonsense about proposing to his dead wife. It had been a long time since Tifa and Cloud burst out laughing.
~CoT
Though if you want to be technical about it, it wasn't Tifa who was the source of the laughter. Although he did laugh with her.
Yes, it was Barret's drunken behavior that made Cloud laugh. But thanks for the quote.
Not quite, BB.
It's a feat, alright, but the express mention of Jenova's influence in there makes it bogus. It's not very farfetch to think that this was intentionally done by Jenova for Cloud to get closer to Aerith what with her being the last Ancient. Otherwise, there would be no need to emphasize the influence of Jenova in there.
Even after Cloud realizes his past and fully becomes himself, he still carries grief, guilt, and sorrow over Aerith's death. Therefore, if their relationship is somehow null-in-void because Cloud wasn't completely himself during the time they spent together, why does Cloud (after becoming his complete self) harbor such emotion towards Aerith based on the time they shared while he was 'messed up'? If Cloud continues to feel strong emotions towards Aerith after fully becoming himself, it means the time they spent together while he was 'messed up' is relevant and meaningful to the 'real' Cloud.
"After developing his personality by using Zack's memory as a base, Cloud still maintained the part of coolness even though Zack had cheerful characteristics. The part of Cloud's coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "no interests" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells. They belong to the real Cloud's personality." ~Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega
So although Cloud wasn't completely himself during disc 1, parts of the 'real' Cloud were present during his time with Aerith. It is also stated that the Jenova cells inside Cloud mimicked Tifa's memories of him. Since Tifa's memories were of the 'real' Cloud, Jenova's cells mimicked portions of the 'real Cloud' that fashioned yet another personality for him.
Que never said anything about Jenova making Cloud laugh. She said 'in control', thus referring to Jenova's influence.
Quexinos said:
No I'm pretty sure it said in an Ultimania somewhere that Jenova was in control of that laugh
The quote says Jenova was in-control of Cloud's consciousness while he laughed with Aerith. It never says Jenova
made Cloud laugh.
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Don't you think being in control of his consciousness meant she's in control of how Cloud acts and reacts?
I've already demonstrated that part of the 'real' Cloud was present during disc 1.
The trouble is, it isn't the real Cloud that laughed, but Cloud whose consciousness is controlled by Jenova.
How can SE make the claim that Cloud and Aerith shared a, "special bond" if Jenova somehow makes everything Cloud did during disc 1 null-and-void?
Repost:
Even after Cloud realizes his past and fully becomes himself, he still carries grief, guilt, and sorrow over Aerith's death. Therefore, if their relationship is somehow null-in-void because Cloud wasn't completely himself during the time they spent together, why does Cloud (after becoming his complete self) harbor such emotion towards Aerith based on the time they shared while he was 'messed up'? If Cloud continues to feel strong emotions towards Aerith after fully becoming himself, it means the time they spent together while he was 'messed up' is relevant and meaningful to the 'real' Cloud.
In short, Aerith made Jenova-controlled!Cloud laugh, not the real Cloud.
Is this hard to understand? I find it very simple.
Part of the 'real' Cloud
was present during disc 1.
I don't see what difference it makes that Jenova was in control. Aerith made Cloud laugh, and SE specifically makes a point to proclaim that she was the only character that was able to do so. SE mentioning that Jenova was in-control shouldn't discount Aerith's ability to bring out that side of Cloud. Does every single thing Cloud did during disc 1 become null-and-void because Jenova was in control? Why does Cloud continue to feel so strongly about things he did while under Jenova's control?
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Doesn't matter because Cloti becomes canon in the end. Wavering is pretty normal, but Cloti becomes canon.
"For example, I was frequently asked if there had been romantic relationship between Tifa and Cloud for two years, after FF7 ended, but I don't have any clue." ~Nomura, Dorimaga interview, published at Flaregamer
--The *ADVENT CHILDREN* relationship chart lists Cloud and Tifa as "childhood friends" *NOT* "romantic partners" or "lovers". Cloud and Tifa*NEVER* have mutual favor arrows in any of SE's relationship charts.
--Tifa states she doesn't know if Cloud loves her after the HAHW scene. If Tifa doesn't know, Cloti's shouldn't pretend they know, either.
--Typically, romantic couples sleep in the same room, yet we are shown that Cloud has a bed in his room.
--The family formed was formed with Barret and Barret's daughter, Marlene. Marlene invites Cloud into her family.Most families that are formed are formed from a romantic place. This is not the case with Cloud and Tifa's situation.
Yes but I have to disagree with this in a way because yes Cloud did care about Aerith he believed that she was a beautiful and stunning woman but when it comes to true love and romance i have to strongly very disagree because real Cloud loves Tifa. Real Cloud will and always love Tifa. Cloud joined Solider for her, wanted to impress her and within the Lifestream event Cloud admits strong feelings and desire towards Tifa.
So Cloud and Aerith's "special bond" is only because Cloud thought Aerith was stunning and beautiful?
So Cloud's reaction to Aerith's death is only because Cloud thought Aerith was stunning and beautiful?
So Cloud carrying around guilt for letting Aerith die is simply because he thought she was stunning and beautiful?
Maybe but in the end Zerith becomes canon. And it's Zack that Aerith craves for, wants, misses, needs him back because she truly loves him. Attraction only goes so far because it's not true love unlike her relationship with Zack.
Deny the quotes all you want, but Aerith loves Cloud more than Zack. Aerith may have initially been attracted to Cloud because he reminded her of Zack, but her interest in Cloud grows and she becomes attracted to Cloud for who he is, not for who he reminds her of.
There is no signs of Cloud loving Aerith expect finding her appearance beautiful. Though he might of had something for Aerith though Final Fantasy VII doesn't end up that way as we all know.
Huh? You are again denying or forgetting the conversation Cloud had with Marlene.
That's from Tifa's eyes and her own point of view
So Tifa's jealously is completely unfounded? Do you think she has horrible perception skills, too?
Wouldn't it make sense that the "world" Cloud and Aerith were forming was ROMATNIC, which is why Tifa grew jealous?
