The Love Triangle of FFVII Part IV: A New Hope

[Eerie]

I'm sorry. I just don't get this. I think that once someone dies in FFVII - Aerith included - their feelings get kinda blank. There are precious memories, but I don't think that the feelings they used to have are still that strong - which is why, to be driven by such hate is something noticeable when Sephiroth manipulates the Lifestream. So I don't understand why it matters if Aerith waited to awaken Zack or not.

It's only to show the strength of Zack's feelings that they put the quote that at anytime he's beside her.

 

[Celes Chere]

Because in Maiden at one point she FINALLY learns who the real Cloud is and she's all happy and CoLW takes place AFTER Maiden

But she never meets the real Cloud regardless. Does CoLW really take place after Maiden? I haven't been paying attention around here as much, but I always wondered when CoLW took place. xD

I think Aerith was in denial. Not so heavily to actually believe Zack is dead, but to keep hanging onto him and say "he probably found another woman" like he's actually out there some where.

 

[Dashell]

It's only to show the strength of Zack's feelings that they put the quote that at anytime he's beside her.

Eh you might hear "the people who wrote the magazine wrote that."

So I don't understand why it matters if Aerith waited to awaken Zack or not.

Idk, I just figured she would have "woken" him up sooner if he was the one she loved. Yeah I know, she had other things to worry about, but all those things to worry about were still present during AC when Zack was there.

Does CoLW really take place after Maiden? I haven't been paying attention around here as much, but I always wondered when CoLW took place. xD

Yeah tis after Maiden... and even if she never met him, she did know him at that moment and she still loved him.

 

[minimosey]

I think Aerith was in denial. Not so heavily to actually believe Zack is dead, but to keep hanging onto him and say "he probably found another woman" like he's actually out there some where.

Did you mean "actually believe Zack is alive"?

I don't think "He found another woman" isn't necessarily from denial over his death. Aerith had five years before his death to wonder why he wasn't coming back. If you have a superstrong boyfriend who's practically the stuff of childhood stories, takes down a whole fortress and monsters no problem, and he's popular with everyone, including the ladies, and he's friendly and a charmer to them all too, and you know he's alive because you would have heard if he died... "He's off with another girl" sounds a lot more plausible than the idea that he got screwed over by one of the very few fighters stronger than him and ended up captured by his employers of all people as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if she'd started believing that before his demise.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Because in Maiden at one point she FINALLY learns who the real Cloud is and she's all happy and CoLW takes place AFTER Maiden

WHEN in Maiden does she learn who the real Cloud is? When she thinks about all the things she likes about Cloud and wakes up ZACK? Is that when?

Also, LW doesn't come after Maiden because Maiden DOES NOT EXIST as far as Canon is concerned.

FHS is making it out to be like she really didn't know at all or something. Or is it that she was such in heavy denial she really didn't believe it?

FHS is making out like Aerith was in denial. Yes. Because she WAS.

As for when she reconstructed Zack, I'd say it would be when she stumbled upon his consciousness in the lifestream. LW says she found souls that she knew--pitiful few in number. I imagine Zack is amongst them.

 

[null]

I guess Quacky hasn't read Crisis on Infinite Lifestreams yet. They totally explain why CoLW used to come after Maiden, but then Maiden got locked in the Paradise dimension with Gaia-Two Aerith and Green Lantern.

 

[Celes Chere]

Aerith had five years before his death to wonder why he wasn't coming back

Wasn't it four years? And besides, she did find out the truth at the end of Crisis Core. .

 

[Dashell]

WHEN in Maiden does she learn who the real Cloud is? When she thinks about all the things she likes about Cloud and wakes up ZACK? Is that when?

She was happy. She was happy that she now knew the real Cloud and was able to watch over him, even though it was just for a short while.

As for when she reconstructed Zack, I'd say it would be when she stumbled upon his consciousness in the lifestream. LW says she found souls that she knew--pitiful few in number. I imagine Zack is amongst them.

Fair enough.

 

[Edley]

/Enters Thread

EEEEEEEE!

/Agrees with Celes and Fairheart

/Looks up The Human Centipede

/

 

[Dashell]

Alright enough of me trying to poorly prove points... I guess I know what I mean even if I can't explain it.

I asked this before but it kinda got looked over. What is everyone's trump card when debating? Like is there one specific piece of evidence that you use that just makes the whole thing come together? Mine is usually "The One that I Love" along with the other feelings quotes

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god dammit will you guys stop making posts when I am?

 

[Tennyo]

I'm sorry. I just don't get this. I think that once someone dies in FFVII - Aerith included - their feelings get kinda blank. There are precious memories, but I don't think that the feelings they used to have are still that strong - which is why, to be driven by such hate is something noticeable when Sephiroth manipulates the Lifestream. So I don't understand why it matters if Aerith waited to awaken Zack or not.

It's only to show the strength of Zack's feelings that they put the quote that at anytime he's beside her.

This. This this this this this. When you go to the Lifestream you dissolve. Aerith doesn't only because she is a Cetra. For a non-cetra to not dissolve like they are supposed to is truly unique, which is exactly why Sephiroth is such a formidable enemy. He even had to shed the vast majority of his memories to remain coherent, concentrating only on one thing for the entire time. And it had to be something strong, like his hatred and desire for revenge.

He didn't even remember what he looked like! He had to wait until the remnant regained those memories for him via other people who knew what Sephiroth looked like.

This is how the Lifestream works! Put petty romance aside for the big picture, because in death I don't think it really matters anymore, at least in this world.

Aerith knows that the dead should stay dead. It's her duty. To awaken Zack would go against the very foundation of how the afterlife in this universe works.

 

[Celes Chere]

Right. And if you go by Maiden, she wasn't even trying to summon Zack. He appeared because of her thinking about Cloud, and his fake persona.

 

[Dashell]

This. This this this this this. When you go to the Lifestream you dissolve. Aerith doesn't only because she is a Cetra. For a non-cetra to not dissolve like they are supposed to is truly unique, which is exactly why Sephiroth is such a formidable enemy. He even had to shed the vast majority of his memories to remain coherent, concentrating only on one thing for the entire time. And it had to be something strong, like his hatred and desire for revenge.

He didn't even remember what he looked like! He had to wait until the remnant regained those memories for him via other people who knew what Sephiroth looked like.

This is how the Lifestream works! Put petty romance aside for the big picture, because in death I don't think it really matters anymore, at least in this world.

Aerith knows that the dead should stay dead. It's her duty. To awaken Zack would go against the very foundation of how the afterlife in this universe works.

You know this is actually a really good post. Probably one of the best I've seen on the whole thing. I never really looked at it this way but you've managed to put it all together so that even I understand it

He didn't even remember what he looked like! He had to wait until the remnant regained those memories for him via other people who knew what Sephiroth looked like.

Hmm is that what he did? I must have read that totally wrong, I thought he just found a spirit that looked like him and I always wondered why he went for looks and not for strength or something.

But about knowing she shouldn't awaken Zack... what exactly is she doing here then?

When she found fragments of consciousness of people she had once known– pitifully few in number– she infused them with her own memories and sought their assistance. She had more spirits on her side now, but even so the hatred borne by that man did not decrease.

I realize it doesn't use the term "awaken" but isn't that basically what she did?

 

[ShuShu]

I realize it doesn't use the term "awaken" but isn't that basically what she did?

I'm not sure if they can awaken if they are dissolved into the lifestream. Maybe more like pulling them in or some other spiritual shit.

Wether Maiden is canon or not doesn't erase the fact she calls some guy she barely knows her lover, in a novella written by a staff member.

If the lifestream is what it says, then it would make sense for everything to be as vague as it is. They aren't even referred to by name, so the whole feel of it is kind if loose. It's more like all of Aerith's thoughts she has ever felt, not the mindset she last died with, though that seems to be the most prominent, thus the whole Koibito line and not a damn mention of Zack anywhere.

Honestly though why are we still arguing this kind of thing, does it matter who the dead chick loves she's dead. She loved them both at one time so she loves them both in the entirety of her conciousness, is that plausible at all? It is the Lifestream, just a speculation.

 

[Dashell]

She loved them both at one time so she loves them both in the entirety of her conciousness, is that plausible at all?

Yes... yes it is.

 

[null]

Honestly though why are we still arguing this kind of thing

So people will ask why we're still arguing about it.

It's a trap!

 

[ShuShu]

No bitch. IM A TRAP. This shit is just getting damn old.

No its good. ;3

Just arguing who fictional characters like, I mean I can see the glamour, but I can see the pointlessness as well. On top of that arguing who dead fictional characters like... This LTD shit is just really a mess.

 

[Strangelove]

Futility is a vital part of many human endeavours.

 

[null]

No bitch. IM A TRAP. This shit is just getting damn old.

No its good. ;3

Just arguing who fictional characters like, I mean I can see the glamour, but I can see the pointlessness as well. On top of that arguing who dead fictional characters like... This LTD shit is just really a mess.

Hi, you're complaining about old pointless shit on an FF7 forum. Every thread falls under one or both of those categories. It might be better if you just avoid this place altogether.

 

[ShuShu]

Hi, you're complaining about old pointless shit on an FF7 forum. Every thread falls under one or both of those categories. It might be better if you just avoid this place altogether.

Suck it bitch. I've been arguing this shit since 1997.

Since when was I complaining. Fact sensitive much.

 

[null]

Suck it bitch. I've been arguing this shit since 1997.

Since when was I complaining. Fact sensitive much.

Not a fan of the ladies are ya Trebek?

 

[Max Payne]

Complaining about the LTD in a thread about the LTD is just as annoying as the LTD itself.

If it bothers a person so much, I think it's time to move on.

 

[null]

He's not whining foolishly, he's THE TRAP and he outwitted us all mwahahaha...

 

[Dashell]

Well complaining in the LTD thread about people complaining about the LTD in the LTD thread is uh.....

... okay I got lost already.

 

[Dashell]

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