Tifa's Design: Has It Gotten Better?

Cloudy Wolf

Lv. 1 Adventurer
First, a reference point, though I'm sure most of you don't need it:

Tifa's in-game model (FFVII):

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Blocky and with an emphasis on the chest, but not too bad. There was worse back in the PS1 days.

Tifa's FMV model in FFVII:

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Ridiculous in size and bounciness, and likely the reference point by horny fanboys for years now. Utterly damaging.

Tifa in AC:

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One of the best redesigns I've ever seen. A more modest design as well as a more realistic figure. Putting more clothes on her actually made her hotter, and the camera always centers around her face and rarely on her chest.

But now, Tifa in Dissidia:

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I know the game was meant to pluck her from the first FFVII, hence the old outfit, but not only does her chest jut out a bit more, she's the only character to have jiggling breasts.

Neither is a big deal, since it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the original game, but is this still a step down? Ever since Dissidia 012 hit, posters across youtube and other forums are back to slobbering about her boobs, as if they were the only boobs ever featured in a videogame.

It's disappointing, since her Dissidia artwork looked much more modest by comparison:

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People actually COMPLAINED about her chest being smaller in this one.

There's also the CG render in her old outfit, which also seemed the basis for her CG model in Dissidia.

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She's got the same body-type as her AC look, which again is a big improvement. But that doesn't stop fans from going on about her body, or stopping Deviantart from putting out crudely drawn fan-art every five minutes.

So, simple question: is anyone else bothered by the way Tifa is interpreted by people? Is it bad enough that it could be said that the primary reason she's popular is because of her cup size? Is it even so large that it deserves the attention given by folks? I never considered her overly huge beyond the FMV in the original, and I don't even consider her the bustiest character in the series (that would be Lulu) or even in her own game (that would arguably be Scarlet).

There's nothing wrong about finding a fictional character attractive, because (surprise) she IS attractive. But there is something wrong if she's going to be remembered just for her looks as if she were a character from DOA.

Is this just a case of FFVII being so hugely popular that it draws in all sorts of crowds, or should the character just be viewed as a sex symbol and nothing more? And worse yet, is Square catering to this viewpoint?

I truly hope that it's just an internet thing and that Tifa is respected for the fact that she's one of the most in-depth characters in the series (I even labeled her as the greatest heroine of the franchise), and not because of the belief that her "breasts are so gigantic she couldn't fit through a door without shattering it".
 

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I didn't say it was spam, I said it was the proper way to attract a crowd. Learn to read.
 

Max Payne

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This is such a painfully subjective question it's almost silly.

We get it, you like Tifa's new matrix outfit more than the original, there's threads you can say that without make some long overdrawn OP.
 

Dashell

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Cloudy Wolf, how dare you try to instigate discussion... what do you think this is? A FORUM?...

wait...

BTW I've never had a problem with any of her designs.
 
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Ite

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As usual, Dacon is harsh, but he's also right. For the record, I prefer her old getup, but your mileage may vary. Certainly graphics have improved.
 

minimosey

Pro Adventurer
Original game FMV: I will never be able to take her 100% seriously in those ever.

Dissidia screenshot: she looks beautiful. Jiggling breasts is still a dumb touch, but whatever. Also, the jutting forward seems realistic with her suspenders, but that might just be me.

Advent Children: Say no to pouches, people. Tifa is not a kangaroo.

No but seriously while I think she looks all right in Advent Children and don't have a problem with "more clothes" in general, the actual outfit seems alternatively boring and silly to me. I feel the same about Cloud's "I will only wear half a cloak because I can't make up my mind about going to Reunion" look.

I will definitely take Dissidia look over Advent Children.
 

Cloudy Wolf

Lv. 1 Adventurer
This is such a painfully subjective question it's almost silly.

We get it, you like Tifa's new matrix outfit more than the original, there's threads you can say that without make some long overdrawn OP.

Let me clarify a little: when I'm asking about her "design", I don't mean her outfits. I don't really have anything against the old outfit either.

Instead, what I'm really asking is about her depiction as a character. Is it possible to look at her purely beyond fanservice, or is this something the majority will always lump her with?
 

Dashell

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Some people will ONLY see Tifa as fanservice (And say, I like Tifa and all but...), but it's obvious that's not all she's for. Anyone who says she's just for fanservice clearly missed her role in FFVII.
 

Max Payne

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Instead, what I'm really asking is about her depiction as a character. Is it possible to look at her purely beyond fanservice, or is this something the majority will always lump her with?

Most FF fans that aren't shippers obviously realise she's more than a pair of tits.

That said, that just makes them fapping to her more enjoyable.
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
You know, I don't mind either design. Sometimes the game is a little too gratuitous... and the whole boob jiggly was ridiculous to a lot of fans (you should find Mog's perfect rant), but as for the design in general?

I like AC's, it looks cool. But it does miss something fairly important and that's cohesiveness with the world they are in. Tifa's old look was skimpy, but it also made her look like she was a brawler that spent her life in the slums. I dunno, it seemed something that someone in Midgar would wear. But I guess the look wouldn't fly for a woman who was raising two kids and they changed it?
 

Elisa Maza

Whomst
Most FF fans that aren't shippers obviously realise she's more than a pair of tits.

I assure you that shippers can (and do) appreciate Tifa's character as well. :lol:

As for her design, I adore her original one, jiggling be damned. I think her Dissidia appearance is her best incarnation until now.

ACC design fits mostly what is "in" now, which is quite different from what was considered "cool" in the 90s. A comparison of artworks of the same characters throughout the decades shows this shift. (I had a very telling picture somewhere...) Tifa's image was no exception.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
As I said in the Tifa fanclub - this:
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is the prettiest she has ever looked in my opinion. Dacon ruined the Dissidia artwork for me by pointing out that weirdness with her legs being 3 feet apart, but this render is very pretty. :monster:

I've also always liked that 10th Anniversary render too, she still looks pretty, but ready to kick some ass. So I guess I like the original outfit with toned-down boobage. I don't hate her AC design, everyone talks about the pouches, but isn't that just because she's waitressing? It's a bit odd that she'd always have them I guess, but I know why they're there. And I can understand that she wouldn't always wanna be wearing the FF7 getup. But I can take or leave the AC one.

The other thing I like about the original are the metal plates on her elbow and the side of her shoe, they add just that touch of badassery, because it would freakin hurt.
 

Masamune

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My problem with AC Tifa is that she looks like a generic pretty Asian instead of Tifa Lockhart.
 

Max Payne

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My problem with AC Tifa is that she looks like a generic pretty Asian instead of Tifa Lockhart.

I agree with this. They took everything unique about her and did away with it. I'm not even talking about the costume.

I can deal with the ridiculous leather outfit.
 

Cthulhu

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Is this just a case of FFVII being so hugely popular that it draws in all sorts of crowds

^This. There's as many opinions as there are people.

I'm by no means a FF(VII) fanperson or anywhere near 'deep' into such discussions (I mean, come on, :monster: ), but my opinion on the character's design is as follows.

FFVII's design I found to be very shit, and I was unable to grasp why the game's designer(s) went with such an appearance yet still gave the character an actual personality and role in the game. I mean, really now. The newer renders of the original outfit compensate it a bit by toning it down, but still I don't find the outfit to be very fitting (...in the literal sense, actually, :monster: ).

AC's design was a great improvement, and I approve highly of that redesign. It makes her look respectable etc.
And properly belonging in the kitchen, :monster:
 

Ryushikaze

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What I want to know is why everyone takes that particular FMV as being her 'FMV design' when there WAS no real consistency in model design between FMVs. For anyone, really, but kershrug.

Also, Tifa's AC outfit is some sort of heavy cloth, not leather, I think.
 

Max Payne

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What I want to know is why everyone takes that particular FMV as being her 'FMV design' when there WAS no real consistency in model design between FMVs. For anyone, really, but kershrug.

Also, Tifa's AC outfit is some sort of heavy cloth, not leather, I think.

Sorry, but the shiny black rendering coupled with the texture and how it's animated screams leather to me. I don't see much reason to believe otherwise.

I also consistently find it silly the things people say about Tifa's original design. It's like the bs you see old fashioned people say about the things folks wear these days.
 

Joe

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Yeah, Tifa's outfit in AC is leather. If it isn't then somebody has done a shit job animating.
 

Max Payne

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Why are cosplayers' leather always so much glossier than all the leather in Square games, anyway?

Because most cosplayers use cheap material in their costumes?

I've only seen a few that go the extra mile. After all, who has the money to spend on really extravagant outfits they don't wear in everyday life?
 
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