Visual Breakdown of FFVII Remake E3 2015 Trailer

[Roger]

Shademp or D&D, not sure which, pointed out that it actually looks like the bolts were put on the hilt OVER the Compilation decorated hilt. And that's pretty fascinating to me.

Zergeron is referring to the after end credits, in which Cloud is on the train with the Compilation Buster Sword. That, if nothing else has been altered. Which is fine.

 

[hleV]

Shademp or D&D, not sure which, pointed out that it actually looks like the bolts were put on the hilt OVER the Compilation decorated hilt. And that's pretty fascinating to me.

When does the after-credits CC cinematic take place, then? Or did it never even happen and it was simply Cloud remembering himself as Zack in the past? Though I believe Zack didn't have Buster Sword during the on-train scene.

 

[Shademp]

Yeah that theory about the hilt is all S&G's. I would never have thought of it.

 

[Roger]

Yeah that theory about the hilt is all S&G's. I would never have thought of it.

Yeah, I wish I'd read it during the podcast, right after I signed off I was like holy ****, that's so smart.

 

[Sublime]

I should really play CC, I have no idea what anyone's talking about. >.<

 

[Flintlock]

Same here...

 

[Lex]

Crisis Core buster sword:

Original Game buster sword (fan made, but exactly the same):

"New" buster sword:

The thing about CC is that it makes a big deal about the gold hilt (it's like a part of the sword's lore) so this would have been like a re:retcon. But as you can (kind of) see, the gold trim seems to be visible underneath the bolts. This may mean that they really are incorporating wider Compilation stuff into the remake, and they could explain away covering up the gold hilt as an identity thing between cloud/zack, because the gold hilt is very recognisable.

Of course, it's entirely possible that's just reading too much into it. But it can't be denied that a shitload of thought went into this trailer, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.

 

[Sublime]

I'm not familiar with the lore at all but I have to say I'm not really liking the CC version. It just seems too clean to me.

Also, the part where the gold is poking through in the trailer isn't actually gold on the CC version...

 

[Roger]

I'm not familiar with the lore at all but I have to say I'm not really liking the CC version. It just seems too clean to me.

Also, the part where the gold is poking through in the trailer isn't actually gold on the CC version...

In itself I feel the same way about the CC Buster Sword but the notion that it was that way and Cloud was selfaware enough to modify it a little is far more interesting then just a retcon. And a way to repossess the iconic sword after ACC overloaded us on how much it belonged it Zack.

 

[ForceStealer]

I'm not familiar with the lore at all but I have to say I'm not really liking the CC version. It just seems too clean to me.

Also, the part where the gold is poking through in the trailer isn't actually gold on the CC version...

In fairness, that wasn't the best picture of it. Here it is in Advent Children:

Note the diagonal lines in it, those are in the new trailer, and the embossed area around the materia slots that the others are talking about. It absolutely looks like the bolts are on top of the decorated hilt.

 

[Wolf_]

I really love that to be true but I imagine square know that the fan base is thinking "please don't fuck this up" so they are keeping a lot of things in the original game in it, that way we can't complain.

 

[Starling]

I can't help but wonder how the bolts are attached to the gold part underneath. It's yet another thing that makes me wonder how pissed Angeal might be about what became of his sword after his death.

 

[Wolf_]

You gotta remember that the original game in 1997 was a standalone game. There was no angeal or anything else and the sword had that riveted iron box guard.

 

[Starling]

I know but the compilation was made, Angeal exists and he can never un-exist. It's entertaining to think about.

 

[Shademp]

In all honesty, I am not at all convinced that the bolted hilt is covering the gold hilt. Barret's gun has been redesigned so why wouldn't they redesign the Buster Sword too? I haven't edited the article though to phrase my opinion in detail because I feel I might be tampering too much with S&G's writing.

 

[Cthulhu]

IT'S FUCKING WHITE AND GOLD AND IF ANYONE DISAGREES I'LL FITE U 1v1 U WOT M8

. The thing with the bolts / cover is actually pretty clever, yeah. Wouldn't mind some added random NPC dialogue to confirm details like that.

Also of note is that in the OG they had like three vertices to represent the sword, not much they can do there.

What does it look like in that anime short (around Zack's death and shit)? Wasn't Zack on the run already then? It would make sense that he himself put the cover on there.

 

[Dravin]

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but after watching the trailer a few times, I thought that the black guy getting on the train might have been Barret—his face is the only one we can see clearly in that scene. But when I compared that shot to one of Barret from behind later in the trailer, I don't think that's the case. The jacket Barret has in that shot is definitely sleeveless and a different material. So the first guy might've just been a fake-out by SE, maybe. Just thought I'd share.

 

[S and G]

In itself I feel the same way about the CC Buster Sword but the notion that it was that way and Cloud was selfaware enough to modify it a little is far more interesting then just a retcon. And a way to repossess the iconic sword after ACC overloaded us on how much it belonged it Zack.

A very interesting observation. It might be worth throwing in the ring the fact that Cloud is not the only one of the party who is familiar with the Buster Sword - Tifa knows about it from the events at Nibelheim. It's very possible she had a hand in insisting the gold hilt be covered for disguise.

Also, as for how bolting a steel plate over the gold would be possible, I would argue that very little in this world makes sense.

 

[clowd]

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but after watching the trailer a few times, I thought that the black guy getting on the train might have been Barret&#8212;his face is the only one we can see clearly in that scene. But when I compared that shot to one of Barret from behind later in the trailer, I don't think that's the case. The jacket Barret has in that shot is definitely sleeveless and a different material. So the first guy might've just been a fake-out by SE, maybe. Just thought I'd share.

Im just happy to see there will probably be alot more people of color in the FFVII world. One of the children playing is black too

 

[hleV]

The iron box takes less space than the golden area, I don't see how it could've been covered.

 

[Roger]

The iron box takes less space than the golden area, I don't see how it could've been covered.

What are you talking about? the golden finish follows the contours of the blade, the box wraps around it. There's definitely enough space even if it's a little unclear how it's attached (though no less unclear then the Fusion Swords).

 

[hleV]

Spoiler: The golden area

is longer than

Spoiler: the iron box.

Unless the golder parts on the sides were actually removed, I don't think it's "iron box over golden area" unless the golden area was retconned to be smaller.

 

[S and G]

Unless the golder parts on the sides were actually removed, I don't think it's "iron box over golden area" unless the golden area was retconned to be smaller.

It's very possible that the larger segments of the gold hilt have been removed and replaced by the steel plating here, which would explain the length issue. However, the grooves on the blade are identical as is the golden adornment that connects the handle to the hilt. It cannot be a coincidence that these things are so finely detailed. Why would SE go to all the trouble of retconning the general look of the sword but keep this tiny things so perfect?

One thing to note as well which I didn't catch first time around is that the side of the sword Cloud attaches to the magnetic holder on his back is the reverse of the way Zack does it. (ie the edge of the blade is on the right with Zack, but on the left with Cloud). It's possible that there are difference on the "inside/outside" of the blade.

Anyway, seeing as this matter is being debated more than any other, our opposing views should be reflected in the article. I would thus propose that the paragraph be changed to:

"Once more, Cloud&#8217;s appearance in Dissidia changed things again, and it&#8217;s that look which seems to have made it into the remake. Does this mean the Buster Sword&#8217;s design has been retconned again? The short answer is: maybe not. The creators have been exceedingly clever here. Instead of dismissing what they&#8217;ve already worked on, it seems like they have either simply added steel plating around the gilded hilt or replaced the larger segments of trimming with ordinary steel. It is unlikely that so much effort would have gone into preserving the exact grooves on the blade only to discard the iconic gilded section. Look closely and you may see the gold trimming peeking out from below. Also note that the leather on the handle has altered, yet the golden adornment that connects it to the butt has not. This is all open to interpretation, but it makes perfect sense from a plot point of view because so much emphasis was placed on the sword in Crisis Core that any SOLDIER who had served with Zack or Angeal would recognise it instantly. I personally can&#8217;t wait to see how they address all these little issues in time for the full release.

One final thing that might be worth mentioning is the way Cloud has attached the Buster Sword to the magnetic holder on his back; it is the reverse of how Zack did it in Crisis Core. It's possible that this is unimportant, but it could be further symbolism about how the two live parallel lives but are opposite, the same way that the whole Strife vs Fair surname situation did."

Thoughts?

Also, if an admin is reading this, the line about occulation should be changed to "process" rather than "processes".

 

[Lex]

I would like it to be noted that the buster sword shown in this trailer is almost identical to the one in the original game aside from some extra detail on the blade itself. There are the same number of bolts and everything.

 

[S and G]

I would like it to be noted that the buster sword shown in this trailer is almost identical to the one in the original game aside from some extra detail on the blade itself. There are the same number of bolts and everything.

No chance, you're not the boss of me!

*Ahem*

Go right ahead if you can sort it out.