Wait Guys, WE STILL WANT TO REMAKE IT

[Max Payne]

I'd rather they remake it and improve upon an already great game rather than not out of fear of butthurt purist fans.

You can't "ruin" what FF7 was. It will always be FF7, a remake won't change that.

That said I can live without, especially if it'd go the way of 13.`

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but it's entirely justified if fans are wary of a remake because of the possibility of SE fucking up the canon irreversibly.

Yeah cuz the compilation hasn't already done this amirite?

It doesn't matter what they do in remakes, sequels, or whatever. You'll always have FF7 as it was immortalized. Whatever else they do is just another reinterpretation.

 

[Lord Noctis]

I'd rather they remake it and improve upon an already great game rather than not out of fear of butthurt purist fans.

You can't "ruin" what FF7 was. It will always be FF7, a remake won't change that.

That said I can live without, especially if it'd go the way of 13.`

Whats wrong with 13? I've been avoiding anything that might have spoilers you see.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yeah cuz the compilation hasn't already done this amirite?

Yeah, and some people are terrified of them fucking it up further.

It doesn't matter what they do in remakes, sequels, or whatever. You'll always have FF7 as it was immortalized. Whatever else they do is just another reinterpretation.

Gameplay wise, sure. But in the overall canon and the storyline, there is no 'immortalized' version. The canon evolves and changes as long as the writers continue to update the source, for good or ill. Sure, if a remake for FF7 sucked as far as music or graphics, I could say "well, at least I still have the original to fall back on". But if in a remake they (hypothetically) retconned something major plotline wise, I can't say "Well, at least in the original FFVII, Cloud isn't gay and that updated, graphic sex scene they decided to add in with Mukki never happened"

The fear with a lot of people isn't so much that they'll fuck up the game, but that they'll fuck up the overall canon. I myself would love a remake, but I can definitely understand the fears.

 

[Max Payne]

Yeah, and some people are terrified of them fucking it up further.

Doesn't make it any less silly.

But if in a remake they (hypothetically) retconned something major plotline wise, I can't say "Well, at least in the original FFVII, Cloud isn't gay and that updated, graphic sex scene they decided to add in with Mukki never happened"

So what? This doesn't change what FF7 was. If they make a remake that changes something, boo fucking hoo. FF7 as it was will always be available. Plenty of people have ignored the compilation entirely because they hate what's been done with it, and are content with FF7 as it is.

How is it any different? If they make a remake it doesn't matter if it sucks or ruins the plot. The fact is you always have the original, and it's plot intact.

The fear with a lot of people isn't so much that they'll fuck up the game, but that they'll fuck up the overall canon. I myself would love a remake, but I can definitely understand the fears.

As long as you don't trot the shit into debates and all, whatever is considered "canon" by SE is ultimately irrelevant to your own personal interpretation of the events of FF7. As far as a person is concerned, FF7 could have ended with the original game for them.

Of course, they're too chicken shit to change the overall plot. They're too afraid to touch FF7 in regards to a remake for that and many other reasons.

Whats wrong with 13? I've been avoiding anything that might have spoilers you see.

The game pretty much has half the content FF7 had.

 

[Lord Noctis]

The game pretty much has half the content FF7 had.

Really? That sounds kinda fail.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So what? This doesn't change what FF7 was. If they make a remake that changes something, boo fucking hoo. FF7 as it was will always be available. Plenty of people have ignored the compilation entirely because they hate what's been done with it, and are content with FF7 as it is.

How is it any different? If they make a remake it doesn't matter if it sucks or ruins the plot. The fact is you always have the original, and it's plot intact.

As long as you don't trot the shit into debates and all, whatever is considered "canon" by SE is ultimately irrelevant to your own personal interpretation of the events of FF7. As far as a person is concerned, FF7 could have ended with the original game for them.

Of course, but I'm not talking about a remake relative to the original game, at least not in this instance. I'm talking about the impact of a remake has to the overall canon. That's important to a lot of us, especially considering the fact that this site exists and the multitude of conversations by us. I'm sort of like Mako on where I can't just 'ignore' an addition to the canon just because I don't like it. I respect the fact that a creator has the right to alter his universe and his work as he sees fit, even if I might hate what he might do to it, but I can't just ignore it.

Sure, I could ignore it individually. For example, I think DoC is a piece of shit and I avoid playing it. I also think pretty much the entirety of its plot elements is a piece of shit and I also think it almost outright ruined the setting. But I can't just plug in my ears and go "LA LA LA I DON'T LIKE THIS" because I accept that in the big canonical picture, it is what it is, whether I like it or not. I have to accept that.

I don't believe in personal interpretation to the point where you can ignore canon, so as a result, what may or may not happen in the canon and setting of a world I enjoy is important.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Even in the scope of overall canon, a remake doesn't necessarily override, or destroy the original. See the remake of FFIV for the DS. Some events of the DS are exclusive to the remake, but the remake doesn't negate the original at all. The remake of FFIV didn't completely change FFIV. It merely added upon it.

The original isn't going to be completely destroyed. It may not have any new shit, but that won't make the original completely overridden. I doubt that'd happen, seriously.

 

[Max Payne]

So what you're saying is you have no self control?

FF7's plot is unchanged no matter what they do. Can you really say that an older version of a book is invalid because a new one came out with different events and a branching plotline?

No, you can't. You consider them as two of their own universes, dimensions, or whatever. You can't take anything away from the older one, it has it's own established events and characters. There's no changing that.

The compilation is it's own beast, and if a remake comes out that accommodates the changes therein, then it'll be considered a companion of the rest of the games.

It doesn't suddenly mean everything that happened in the old game is suddenly defunct.

It's a moot point anyway, people are scaring themselves over a very, very slim possibility. Whatever changes made to meld easier into the compilation won't be that overbearing. Good God, SE knows what made the game great and they're smart enough to be afraid to remake it for fear of fucking with it.

 

[Lord Noctis]

So what you're saying is you have no self control?

FF7's plot is unchanged no matter what they do. Can you really say that an older version of a book is invalid because a new one came out with different events and a branching plotline?

No, you can't. You consider them as two of their own universes, dimensions, or whatever. You can't take anything away from the older one, it has it's own established events and characters. There's no changing that.

The compilation is it's own beast, and if a remake comes out that accommodates the changes therein, then it'll be considered a companion of the rest of the games.

It doesn't suddenly mean everything that happened in the old game is suddenly defunct.

This basicly. If I dislike something in the compilation, I just write it off as being an alternate version of things.

 

[Dashell]

This basicly. If I dislike something in the compilation, I just write it off as being an alternate version of things.

and it's reasons like that that people won't accept Cloud loves Tifa.

You don't decide what's canon ,Square does. The end that's all there is to it.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Even in the scope of overall canon, a remake doesn't necessarily override, or destroy the original. See the remake of FFIV for the DS. Some events of the DS are exclusive to the remake, but the remake doesn't negate the original at all. The remake of FFIV didn't completely change FFIV. It merely added upon it.

The original isn't going to be completely destroyed. It may not have any new shit, but that won't make the original completely overridden. I doubt that'd happen, seriously.

Absolutely, I'm not saying that any remake will DEFINITIVELY destroy, override, or dismantle any particular canon, storyline aspect, or character, etc, that FF7 had, but there are people afraid that it might, which isn't unreasonable. It's definitely happened before, for example, the whole 'Who shot first' debacle in the Star Wars film. I personally think it's sort of silly, but proponents of the debate maintain that one minor difference in the remake of Episode IV and the original of Episode IV completely change the character of Han Solo.

So what you're saying is you have no self control?

FF7's plot is unchanged no matter what they do. Can you really say that an older version of a book is invalid because a new one came out with different events and a branching plotline?

No, you can't. You consider them as two of their own universes, dimensions, or whatever. You can't take anything away from the older one, it has it's own established events and characters. There's no changing that.

The compilation is it's own beast, and if a remake comes out that accommodates the changes therein, then it'll be considered a companion of the rest of the games.

It doesn't suddenly mean everything that happened in the old game is suddenly defunct.

Now that, is personal interpretation. I don't believe the whole 'a remake is a different universe from the canon of the original' thing myself, unless of course, officially stated one way or the other. Sure, a creator can step in and confirm that; "This remake doesn't override the original, consider them two different interpretations" OR they can say "This remake completely overrides the original, consider this the new canon". But I believe that generally, remakes override the original canon of events by default.

But hey, that's my opinion, and that's all I have to say on it, I suppose.

 

[Makoeyes987]

George Lucas is on crack. He's a pretty damn extreme, example.

What I fear for in regards to a remake is its gameplay and actual overall quality as a game. Not its story or canon interpretation. The story will be fine. They'll be sure to drive that shit right down our throats and make it good.

I just want the gameplay to be interactive and good like it was back in the day.

 

[Max Payne]

But I believe that generally, remakes override the original canon of events by default.

So, Full Metal Alchemist's anime overrode the unconcluded manga because it remade the events and came up with it's own conclusion?

 

[Lord Noctis]

and it's reasons like that that people won't accept Cloud loves Tifa.

You don't decide what's canon ,Square does. The end that's all there is to it.

You misunderstand. Obviously if I enter into a canon debate, I will embrace all of the canon, even the bits I don't like, for the duration of the debate. But that does not and should not effect my own personal interpretation of things.

If we all abided by canon as if it were the law, we would be unable to enjoy even the most well-written fanfics simply because Square didn't write it that way. And that would suck.

 

[Max Payne]

and it's reasons like that that people won't accept Cloud loves Tifa.

You don't decide what's canon ,Square does. The end that's all there is to it.

We already dissuaded this as being inadmissible in debates. It's a moot point. There's a difference between interpreting a game's events as a whole as it's own cohesive plot, and cherry pickin the events therein.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So, Full Metal Alchemist's anime overrode the unconcluded manga because it remade the events and came up with it's own conclusion?

I don't know. Did it? Did the creators ever say one way or the other? I really know very little about manga and anime, and in my observation it seems that manga and animes often have their own 'versions', or something.

I respect you're trying to prove a point, but I don't really know anything about anime or manga! You're gonna have to use another example!

 

[Max Payne]

I don't know. Did it? Did the creators ever say one way or the other? I really know very little about manga and anime, and in my observation it seems that manga and animes often have their own 'versions', or something.

I respect you're trying to prove a point, but I don't really know anything about anime or manga! You're gonna have to use another example!

The point is, they're just reinterpretations man. If FF7 gets remade, it'll be a reinterpretation of the game. Hell, it won't even have the same staff. A lot of those folks don't even work for SE anymore.

Whatever happens in a remake can be considered canon to the compilation, and whatever happened in the original FF7 can be considered canon in regards to it.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

The point is, they're just reinterpretations man. If FF7 gets remade, it'll be a reinterpretation of the game. Hell, it won't even have the same staff. A lot of those folks don't even work for SE anymore.

But the overall canon of the fictional universe will (might) be different, and for fans that adhere to that, for good or ill, a remake may or may not be a bad thing. Being wary of remakes certainly didn't start with FFVII.

 

[Max Payne]

But the overall canon of the fictional universe will (might) be different, and for fans that adhere to that, for good or ill, a remake may or may not be a bad thing. Being wary of remakes certainly didn't start with FFVII.

Whether they change something or not it's not the end of the world. FF7 had it's own canon events. How can that all mean nothing all of a sudden because of a remake?

That just ain't right.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Think of it this way. When the new Star Trek movie came out, a lot of older fans were pissed as hell, because the movie deviated a great deal from the old canon.

The Spoony One brought this up in his review of said movie, where he basicly said, if you don't like the new movie, ignore it. Its not like your old cds have gone blank, they still work.

The same could apply to FFVII as a whole.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Whether they change something or not it's not the end of the world. FF7 had it's own canon events. How can that all mean nothing all of a sudden because of a remake?

That just ain't right.

No, it's not the end of the world or anything of course, but it's always a possibility, and canon universe fuckups have happened before, since forever. It's definitely a possibility.

It's just something that some fans are wary of. It's nothing that people are (hopefully not) jumping off of bridges over.

 

[Max Payne]

No, it's not the end of the world or anything of course, but it's always a possibility, and canon universe fuckups have happened before, since forever. It's definitely a possibility.

It's just something that some fans are wary of. It's nothing that people are (hopefully not) jumping off of bridges over.

Have you not tasted the butthurt on yonder internet? These people are sacrificing their cats to their gods in fear of what those crazy jappos might do next.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yeah well, it's one of those things. Hey, like I said before, I'm looking forward to a remake. I actually have faith that SE would do it right, and in fact, pretty much the only thing right they have (if they actually do it) done in quite some time. However, I try to project myself into understanding why others may be wary.

 

[Max Payne]

Don't get me wrong, if they totally fuck up the plot and the gameplay, I will join other fans in their collective wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then I'm going to move on to something better, and hopefully work on something that will surpass it someday. I just don't think it's worth the stress people put themselves through.

 

[Loxetta]

If they could handle it the way they did AC/C, that'd be great, to me. Keep everything more or less intact, just clean it up, change some things that don't make sense, and add some other things that should have been there in the first place.

Since I really like the Compilation, I actually want Sqex to put hints and allusions to it in an OG remake, at least for the prequel games. I just don't want them to overdo it, because it wouldn't make that much sense to the central story. Example: A reference about the Genesis War from an NPC, sure, that'd be great -- but really, I can't see it having a big impact on anything. Cloud&Co probably wouldn't give that much of a shit at whatever point in time they hear it, considering everything else they have to deal with in that game.

But, for the love of everything holy or non, if they put Genesis in Nibelheim at any point in a remake, I will have a seizure.