Why Is A Cross Dressing Cloud So Damn Important?

[Flare]

Jumped up to 121,000 in less than a day. Wowza! This is fun to watch just to see how many people view it.

 

[Cthulhu]

I'm kind of annoyed I can't see what's stopping it from being monetisable. I would love to be able to give you guys adsense money for that.

Isn't it a matter of flicking a switch?

Also great job guys, the website doesn't even get that many hits

 

[Lex]

I checked out the remake trailer on youtube earlier (I've been gone for a week and missed watching it) and this vid was on the suggested vids panel. I thought it may have been due to me having watched the video/ channel previously, but then I checked it in an incognito window (not logged in or anything) and it still appeared. I'd guess that's the reason it's jumped up so dramatically, it's right next to the remake when people are watching it. Something's gone very right with regard to the title or tagging or whatever.

 

[Pixel]

I think the thumbnail has a lot to do with it tbh. Then there's the comment section, people arguing, creating video impressions through google+. I think reddit gave the initial push, and it snowballed to recommended vids. I wish it had a run off effect to our other content, but we'll see. We gained about 700 subscribers. We just need to build on it with more content. Get the lets play going again, which could encourage people to explore the older videos.

 

[Jason Tandro]

Well there was my OST Evaluation

Though to be honest, I'm not 100% satisfied with the still image format of them. It looks cheap, but it's all that I was capable of.

 

[Pixel]

An LTD video might blow things up lol

If anyone has ideas for subjects to explore, feel free to share. Ultimately, its down to Claymore. I was trying to write a trailer analysis vid, but Ive been busy wit ma business, and its quite an involved video to write.

 

[Jason Tandro]

An LTD video might blow things up lol

If anyone has ideas for subjects to explore, feel free to share. Ultimately, its down to Claymore. I was trying to write a trailer analysis vid, but Ive been busy wit ma business, and its quite an involved video to write.

Hey! What about something in the style of "Deadlock" where two people from the Forums debate their side of the LTD without the video actually declaring a "winner"? If we could get two people who really know their stuff in front of a camera or on the mic, that could actually be a big hit.

 

[Starling]

How about a video about how Cloud isn't emo? Or maybe one discussing why people find certain characters annoying, their redeeming qualities and what could've been done to make them more likable as characters.

For the LTD, I think the LTD analysis went pretty in-depth. If you make a video, maybe show some of the actual scenes that are relevant to show the dynamics between Cloud, Aerith and Tifa.

 

[Flare]

I like the idea of the trailer analysis video; the article you guys put up (right before I joined) was great to read. People might be really interested in watching the analysis, as apparently more people view YouTube than TLS.

 

[Channy]

An LTD video might blow things up lol

If anyone has ideas for subjects to explore, feel free to share. Ultimately, its down to Claymore. I was trying to write a trailer analysis vid, but Ive been busy wit ma business, and its quite an involved video to write.

Hey! What about something in the style of "Deadlock" where two people from the Forums debate their side of the LTD without the video actually declaring a "winner"? If we could get two people who really know their stuff in front of a camera or on the mic, that could actually be a big hit.

Just gimme a Cloti and we can rip each other to shreds.

 

[Starling]

Can't we just casually discuss things objectively?

 

[Channy]

No. This ain't no kumbayah bullshit; this is the love triangle, damn it.

 

[Jason Tandro]

No. This ain't no kumbayah bullshit; this is the love triangle, damn it.

 

[Lex]

So I don't know how many of you frequent the TLS Twitter (we should really get a twitter embed plugin for vB for situations like this) but I had the following conversation with someone earlier:

8 minutes talking about the importance of the cross-dressing scene in FF7, only overlook the actual importance.

They then linked to that article we have a thread about (the one about how times have changed and it shouldn't be used as comic relief) saying "you should read this".

we sure did read it, and it's obviously important. The vid we put out is less about the cross-dressing and more about game moments.

But. The title. Of the video. Is…

sounds like you've got a lot to say about this . Why not sign up and share in the thread for the video? http://goo.gl/45Lgwe

Less than trans* people for whom representation is a personal issue. Seek out their voices. I don't do Google-anything.

And I don't mean to say your video is bad. Though I do take issue with reducing the scene to "levity".

it's simply a shortened url that redirects to our site

Oh, misread. Thought you were asking me to participate in youtube thread. Still, appreciate the invite, but no thanks.

fair enough. For the record, I don't think Twitter is the best place to discuss an important issue like this, we're limited by...

an arbitrary character count. Also, all of our members have their own opinions and are encouraged to share them, so please...

understand that one video does not reflect the entire site or member base.

I assumed no such thing. Just wanted to call attention to how fans outside the mainstream are looking at things.

and that kind of discussion is important. I suggested signing up because you'd be able to get your view directly to the author

 

[Lex]

This person has obviously taken an issue that the video was not made about trans issues, and I'm pretty unimpressed that they've assumed the person they're speaking to is "inside the mainstream" (did anyone laugh that this was directed at me, I mean really).

More importantly, they've assumed that both the creators of the video and the person they're speaking to on Twitter (me) know nothing about trans issues or otherwise. This kind of ignorance is annoying, because had they bothered to sign up and have a discussion as I suggested, I think they'd have realised there's no need to call attention to anything outside the mainstream. The vast majority of people here are "outside the mainstream".

 

[Pixel]

Try trawling through the people arguing on youtube

 

[Starling]

I think Matpat's video about it covers that angle of the crossdressing scene pretty well. Really, there's no need to always bring something up when discussing a particular topic. What makes discussion about something interesting is the ability to approach it from multiple angles.

 

[Pixel]

Yeah, if we had gone down the road of talking about representation, we would have all those anti-social justice warrior, gamergate types breathing down our necks. I had to shoot one of them down on facebook after sharing an article from the perspective of the trans community.

They go on about censorship of ideas and expression in videogames, yet they want to shut people up who dare express their ideas and perspective.

 

[Jason Tandro]

The fact of the matter is the cross-dressing scene in FF7 is completely irrelevant to Cloud's sexual identity and is played for laughs. Ergo it being in the game or left out of the game will have the exact same intention which is nothing to do with the LGBT community.

That said, it's worth noting that having the opportunity to bring it back in this game it could be changed to have a deeper meaning. We could explore Big Bro more, we could show that the author did not intend any harm by it. We could have characters express annoyance that Cloud was cross-dressing when he's not a part of that community.

There's a lot that could be said, but Claymore's piece was more about its use in the original game, which is at least how I took it. I'd be excited to see how an HD version of that could be handled to give some media attention to the LGBT community.

 

[Channy]

The fact of the matter is the cross-dressing scene in FF7 is completely irrelevant to Cloud's sexual identity and is played for laughs. Ergo it being in the game or left out of the game will have the exact same intention which is nothing to do with the LGBT community.

I think the scene would have a bigger impact if it was left out (for whatever reason, not necessarily LGBT), because then you have have all sorts of people breathing down the necks of fans and staff alike for some sort of "Hidden agenda" that they DON'T want the scene expressing trans* issues and they're trying to snuff it out.

....when in reality SE would probably be like "It's not serious enough for the game now, it had to go."

=/ Not to be against trans* issues or anything but I really hope they don't attach an agenda to the whole scene and just leave it goofy as it used to be. It didn't mean anything then and trying to make it mean something now is just going to offend someone.

 

[Starling]

I think they could stand to do something about the dubious consent in the Honeybee Inn being the butt of a joke. But at the same time, I don't want those scenes changed too drastically or outright removed.

I thought Big Bro was pretty awesome and wouldn't mind seeing more of the gym.

 

[Jason Tandro]

Yeah, Aerith, I was referring to the intent, not necesarily the impact. If they remove it, SOOO MUCH WILL HAPPEN. Like if they leave it in there'll be impact sure. If they take it out people will be boycotting the game on all fronts.

And Starling, I know right? I would love those scenes to be kept in, but I would feel better if the dude gangbang was less bang and more gang. Like they all want him to get in a hot tub or something and he's like "naw, I'm good man". Or he sucks it up (see what I did thar? )

And yeah I feel Big Bro could have been a very interesting character if they took time to develop her.

 

[Lex]

I think the fact is that Cloud essentially does drag for a moment, and there's all sorts of controversy right now about whether or not drag (as it is currently being represented) is offensive to the struggle of trans people (see popularity of RuPaul's drag race and related controversies).

"Beautiful Bro" may actually be a trans character, but that's unclear.

 

[Octo]

Right, is Big Bro the person who runs/owns the gym? Who is dressed as a woman? Or is it the big bodybuilder you have to compete with? Cos the script (and my brain) was all over the place.

 

[Lex]

Beautiful Bro is the one you speak to the begin the contest (and runs/owns the gym), with what seems to be a large wig and a hairband. Big Bro is the muscly dude you have to compete with.