No. It just happens to be one of the four most important scenes in said story according to Square.
Does it affect anything? What changes due to the Highwind scene existing/being High Affection or Low Affection?
OWD said the dates/date mechanics aren't important, so neither is the Highwind scene.
Yeah, that doesn't actually address anything that OWD said. I know you're here to help Anastar, but you should help her by making cogent arguments, not asking people if they need hugs.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know we're supposed to be cynical thundercunts to each other, and we can't make jokes, and Final Fantasy isn't supposed to make us happy, we're supposed to be angry and fight with each other for 15 years because we see things a little differently.
And I
did help her, but no one responded to what I wrote. Funny that they responded to the Aer Bear hug comment instead.
Anastar, calling an argument bullshit isn't slander, even under the colloquial usage. Even IF IT WERE, given how rude and self contradictory you have been in this thread, take your lumps.
I haven't seen Anastar being rude
at all. But OWD, on the other hand, and quite a few people on your side, have been.
As for self contradictory, I think a lot of the Compilation has serious contradictory on its own. When we're dealing with contradictory subject matter, it may be hard to get your point across, especially since her opinions/ideas/interpretations are being ignored or shot down entirely because it doesn't make sense to you.
I see Anastar giving quotes and facts, and then her interpretation, opinion, and analysis of those quotes and facts. I see about eight people denying all of it. You don't have to agree with her, and she doesn't have to agree with you. So it's only "bullshit" to you. OWD should have left that to himself because it isn't a "cogent argument."
Incorrect. It is a part of it and as a part of it, it plays a role and has a purpose. It is the payoff to an earlier set-up. It's basic storytelling.
Tifa's feelings are a part of the story and as such need to be addressed in the story. She loves Cloud. That's your set up. He either reciprocates or he does not, she either gets him or she doesn't. The answer to it, even if you feel that it plays no larger part in the story, is a vital part of Tifa's character arc. You can't just introduce her as Cloud's potential love interest and then never address it again. Because unlike Barret, who is completely an optional date for nothing more than shits and giggles, Tifa's feelings are written in stone. They are a part of the fucking story.
You said that the date mechanics, and therefore the dates, aren't important. But that's also basic storytelling. Aerith tells Cloud how she feels and her intentions on her optional date. Aerith's feelings are also a part of the story and as such need to be addressed in the story. She loves Cloud. That's your set up. But "it affects diddly squat of the actual story." Because there are four outcomes? The Highwind scene has two outcomes. Not one. Which version you get depends on the date mechanics and how much you use her in combat. The dates rely on only the date mechanics. But that affects "diddly squat."
So if the versions of the Highwind scene rely on the date mechanics as well, this must affect "diddly squat."
WHY IS THE HIGHWIND SCENE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE HA VERSION?
Kitase: Katou also did the event on the airship, the night before the final battle.
Nojima: Oh, the scene with the risqué line of dialogue?
I'll repost what I wrote yesterday:
An offhand comment about what the scene is known for means that's the one that happened?
Have you heard of Mass Effect? It's known that if you play as a dude, you can have a relationship with Miranda Lawson. I'm saying her specifically because she's the most well known person for a guy to be with in the second game. But this is also optional. Having a relationship with any other character is optional, being a girl in the game and having a relationship with any other character is optional (though it is default to play the game as a guy), or , even better, not having one at all is optional. When the people who make Mass Effect talk about the different relationships and what they're known for/what they mean, this makes them all canon?
There's no right or wrong way to play the game. There's no right or wrong way to play Final Fantasy. There's no right or wrong way to choose between Aerith and Tifa.
"Nothing else matters now, just Cloud"
When she says this, that's one of the reasons I see her as being really dependent. Nothing else matters, not AVALANCHE, not their other friends, not Marlene, in comparison to Cloud?
I just see Tifa in a different light, I guess.
I definitely don't like Tifa, but I think she's easy to relate to. She's kind of clingy and annoying (in my opinion), but a lot of us chicks are. But in FFVII, she shows that she's too dependent. She cries a lot, she only seems to care about Cloud. I think when a girl is too dependent on a particular dude, she shouldn't be with him. I think there's someone in the Final Fantasy VII world that will make her kind of grow up, be independent. I think she should be with someone like Reno, who has a really strong, in-your-face personality. That'd be great for her. Cloud is maybe a little too sensitive, like her, and doesn't seem to communicate very well with her. Nojima said things "might not work" between him and Tifa, and personally I agree.
not to be mean, but it kinda annoys me.
You aren't being mean AT ALL. You're talking to me, not in a forceful way like the rest of them.
Well that's a well thought out answer, but I want to point out that in the 10th AU playback, it's not a script, it's a summary of the story. IN that summary they only mention the high affection version. hell in the BOOK they only mention the high affection
It seems that Square at the very least favors the HA version. You'd agree with that right? Why do you think this is?
I'm not denying that Square seems to favor the HA version. They said themselves, the other version is apathetic and ends quickly. But both versions wouldn't be there for no reason.
It may be just because Aerith is dead, but either way, it does seem to me like they favor Cloud and Tifa in the later Compilation and the books, and favor Cloud and Aerith in other games (Dissidia, Kingdom Hearts, Itadaki Street.) Not trying to pull those three AU games into here, but I just think they're trying to please everyone. But even if they favor the HA version, this doesn't make it
canon. It's like you said on the other forum, bringing in the Highwind scene sucks because everybody goes around and around and won't agree with each other. We all here love Final Fantasy, right? This is the most important thing, is it not? More important than Cloud's relationshits. But calling Cloud and Tifa canon because Nojima only mentioned a line of dialogue from the High Affection version (which is undeniably the reason the Highwind scene is infamous) and the HA version is most dominant in the Ultimanias, doesn't make it
canon. We're still allowed to choose who Cloud likes based on our personal interpretations, and that's the beauty of them not making anything canon.
It's when someone insists that their side is canon, that's when people start getting pissed.
(don't give me that "There's no canon couple!" nonsense, because you don't believe it either)
I do believe there's no canon couple. I'm not here to prove Cloud/Aerith, I'm just trying to say that calling us delusional, saying it's over when it isn't over, and excluding us is not right.
Cloud names various reasons for fighting, on the top of them "a very important, personal memory".
I consider Aerith to be that personal memory. But since Cloud didn't clarify, we're both speculating.
Connecting the dots. Do it right.
I connect different dots. So I'm wrong?
But, no matter, Cloud will always go for Tifa.
Because Square Enix doesn't say it's up to the players. We're all entitled to your beliefs. Thank you, and hallelujah. Praise be to Yevon.
I'm glad we could agree on that. I also like to think Cloud becomes even more of a fatherly figure to the kids after AC/C. True, he was one before but I think he really matured by the end of the movie with the help from Aerith and friends. 
But that has no bearing on Barret being the man who initially raised Marlene and is her legal father. Girl can totally have two awesome, badass fathers! That's all I really wanted to hear. 
