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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    1. Elmyra's request that Cloud leave in the middle of the night obviously played a role in Cloud's decision to leave Aerith. 2. Why wouldn't Cloud continue to try to follow Elmyra's request when Aerith finds him in the morning? 3. Cloud expresses care for Aerith's safety in the quote you...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    That's my whole point -- SE doesn't view Cloud saving Tifa as significant proof of him caring for someone else, which is why they still included Barret's observation. Cloud and Barret had several exchanges regarding Cloud's apathy. That was a very constant back-and-forth between them during...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    You are forgetting that this is video game world. Cloud is the main character and he is obviously the "decider" in this game. Wherever he goes, the party follows. But sure, it says that Tifa is an awesome character. However, without Cloud initially making the decision to save Aerith, would...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    In the beginning of the game SE had Cloud and Barret go through a few exchanges regarding Cloud's apathy and how Cloud didn't seem to care for anything but himself. Barret tried to explain to Cloud that he should care for things outside of himself and that the planet was dying. Barret's pleas...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    The quote says Jenova is in control of Cloud's consciousness. It doesn't say Jenova made Cloud laugh. Why would she do such a thing...? The laughter evoked from Cloud by Aerith was genuine and shows Aerith was able to bring out a side of Cloud we only saw through him interacting with her (at...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    I'm specifically talking about FFVII. But if you can provide me quotes of Tifa making Cloud laugh in CoT, I'd be happy to read them. But I'd like to just point something out: I believe that Cloud not being his complete self while he interacted with Aerith makes the case for Cloud x Aerith...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    I'm referring to the quote that says Aerith was the only one able to make Cloud laugh during FFVII. EDIT: since this is the LTD thread, I think it's significant that Aerith was able to make Cloud laugh but not Tifa. -------------------- I've already responded to this a few times. But since...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    1. Some people on this forum are trying to diminish Barret's observation by saying he didn't know Cloud rescued Tifa. But SE knew Cloud rescued Tifa. So why would SE have Barret make this observation if it wasn't relevant? 2. SE is the one that specifies that the only time Cloud laughs is...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Yes. Cloud is expressing ROMANTIC interest in another woman, Aerith. Therefore, when people say Cloud never expressed romantic interest in Aerith they are either lying or do not know the scene with Marlene has a canon version. When you look at everything together (Cloud's physical attraction...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Question. What was SE's intent for doing these three things with three different characters all in a-row: 1. Cloud tells Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him (Marlene says, "I won't tell Tifa.") ---> 2. Barret observes that Aerith seems to be the first person Cloud is willing to fight for besides...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    I'd say Aerith loved Zack in the past, but that her love for him did not continue. But I'm A-OK with admitting Aerith love(s) both Cloud and Zack at the same time. But the quote does say Aerith loves Cloud MORE than Zack.
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    To me, it appeared as though Cloud and Aerith were bantering back and forth in a flirtatious way. Regardless of what you want to call it, Cloud expresses concern for Aerith's safety and brings up the fact that he's her bodyguard. That's showing a lot of concern for the safety of someone he just...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    I haven't even read this thread lately -- but you know what's funny? I listen to the Tifa Theme. It's so beautiful. I love it so much. What's so weird is that I'll even respond to people with the Tifa theme playing in the background. In all honesty, I'm really a depressed person. So everything...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    ...and now that's changed with the introduction of Aerith :loopy:
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Tifa understands that Cloud and Aerith shared a romantic bond while Aerith was alive. So when she see's Cloud visiting Aerith's Church, it signals to her that Cloud may still harbor romantic feelings for Aerith (remember, this is Final Fantasy -- death does not stop two people's bond, just ask...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Already posted this to someone else, but I thought I'd share with you my thoughts on Cloud's flashback: To me, this flashback was an obvious juxtaposition of past vs. present: Cloud is remembering a time when he was disinterested in girlfriends, but now with the introduction of Aerith, a women...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    Dagger, are you going to admit that the Marlene scene is not optional and proves Cloud does express a romantic interest in Aerith? Even Marlene, a little girl, understands that Cloud was expressing a romantic interest in Aerith because she says, "I won't tell Tifa". Again -- both Cloud and...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    But SE is putting this information in the context of comparing Cloud's relationship with his two love rivals. Therefore, Cloud's romantic bond with Aerith is different than Cloud's romantic bond with Tifa. But both bonds are romantic -- it just so happens that Cloud and Aerith's romantic bond...
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    The Love Triangle Debate thread of KNEEL BEFORE ZOD OR SUFFER HIS WRATH (ignore the opening posts at your peril) (Round 6)

    “Marlene is a sharp girl - Even though she’s only 4 years old, Marlene is perceptive and well attuned to the woman mind. The scene where she ascertains that Aerith has favor for Cloud and tells him so, then says “I won’t tell Tifa!” demonstrates this grownup...
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