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I'm not saying everything is done to prove Cloud loves Tifa or Aerith. But...did you read this posts of mine? All of these exchanges refer to Cloud's lack of care for other people besides himself. Then, when Cloud expresses his desire to save Aerith, Barret says, "So there are times when...

There is not one explicit quote or scene of romance between Cloud and Tifa in CoT or AC. Everything that is used to support a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa in CoT and AC is circumstantial and debatable (ie: living arrangements, the family, etc.) I'm pretty sure Ryu doesn't. He...

Because you asked that I respond to this... I also think it is significant and worth noting that SE starts the game off with this: It makes it seem as though SE is favoring Aerith over Tifa. SE also make it a point to say that, “In Aerith’s case, if you play the game normally...

You agree that the primary question revolving around the LTD is: Who does Cloud Strife love? Therefore, I'm simply trying to demonstrate that Cloud loved Aerith. It seems that people think Cloti is canon for two reasons: 1. Cloud and Tifa *EXPRESSED* mutual feelings 2. Cloud and Tifa are in an...

Think of it this way: if Cloud and Aerith did not have mutual romantic feelings, why would a wedding prediction become "more painful" after her death? In other words, if Cloud never had romantic feelings for Aerith, this wedding prediction would not become "more painful" after Aerith's death...

To me, it is clear that SE's goal by doing these three things (Cloud's conversation with Marlene, Barret's observation, Tifa's jealously) was to show that Cloud and Aerith were forming a "special bond" that was obviously built around romantic attraction. All of this was meant to highlight Cloud...

But what I'm asking is: was Jenova *NOT* in control of Cloud's consciousness when Aerith died? If Jenova was in control during both moments, it doesn't really matter that SE specified that Jenova was in control during the laugh because the quote could have just as easily been talking about any...

Does the degree of Jenova's control diminish by the time Aerith dies? If not, Jenova's control shouldn't dismiss Cloud laughing with Aerith or his reaction to her death. In fact, Jenova's influence should never be used to discount what Cloud did on disc 1. That just doesn't make sense...

Hawk, funny that both Barret and Tifa look to Cloud first to see if he was going to rescue Aerith. Only after making sure Cloud was going to rescue Aerith did they decide to go. Barret says, "You gonna go help Aerith, right?" and then he proceeds to say that he's going to go, "too". Tifa...

I'm looking at Barret's observation from SE's intent. What were they trying to convey to the gamer? I'm also looking at Barret's observation being wedged between Cloud's conversation with Marlene and Tifa letting her, "peevish feelings slip" when she witnessed Cloud and Aerith developing their...

All I'm saying is that the "wavers" quote proves that Cloud felt more than just a friendship for Aerith. As for the 'real' Cloud argument, I've already discussed that: "After developing his personality by using Zack's memory as a base, Cloud still maintained the part of coolness even though...

But Tifa's jealously *IS* rooted in reality because: 1. "Wavers" quote 2. Cloud agrees to go on a date with Aerith 3. Cloud tells Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him 4. Cloud is attracted to Aerith's physical appearance and personality I still don't know why people insist that Tifa has horrible...

Why is it an either/or situation? Barret's line can be both part of his character development *AND* help highlight Cloud and Aerith's "special bond" that was beginning to develop. We know that Tifa witnesses this, "special bond" shortly after Barret's observation. I don't think it's a huge leap...

Well, it just seems to me that there must have been an overriding reason for why Cloud wanted to rescue Aerith. Given what Cloud told Marlene, his initial attraction to Aerith's appearance/personality, and his agreement to go on a date with Aerith, it wouldn't surprise me that part of the reason...

I find it very curious that this observation was wedged between these two things: 1. Cloud admitting to Marlene he hopes Aerith likes him. 2. Tifa witnessing Cloud and Aerith developing their own world together and getting jealous about it. To me, Barret's observation was showing that...

I just honestly think if SE viewed Cloud rescuing Tifa the same way they viewed Cloud rescuing Aerith, I don't think they would have included Barret's observation. If SE thought gamers would simply write off Barret's observation and say, "Cloud rescued Tifa, too," why did they include it, then...

Yes. Cloud's behavior is again changing for Aerith.

I just don't get what SE's point was for including Barret's observation except to show that Cloud was starting to change because of Aerith. This becomes especially obvious when we see the exchanges SE created between Cloud and Barret at the beginning of the game (they are in my previous post if...

You made a broad claim: "You argue that Cloud is a dick to everyone else except Aerith..." Do I argue that Cloud didn't seem to care for anyone prior to the introduction of Aerith? Yes. Do I argue that Cloud is always a dick throughout the entire compilation? No. Notice how I say things like...

Lie. I listed several reasons why Cloud may have wanted to rescue Tifa. What...? (I'm highlighting a change in Cloud's behavior. Tifa was never not caring.) What...? That is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. I simply said that in the world of RPG video-games, it is very common...