Avatar: The Last Airbender & Korra (SPOILERS)

Cloud_S

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oh.

Pretty cool to see it done though. :monster:


Non-relevant.. but fun:
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Zealkin

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argument against the ww2 parallels people are finding:
[ No.
I say this as someone who studied World War II and the Holocaust somewhat prolifically given my major of study in college and my personal connections to the travesty. (My grandparents were Holocaust survivors.)
Hitler sought to eradicate a race of people not because they were a threat, but because they were deemed “inferior” or problematic to his hopes for an Aryan world. Tarrlok sees a threat—a valid, tangible threat in the Equalists. The Equalists DO seek to take away part of his/benders’ identity, their heritage, their ability, so on. The Equalists aim to perpetrate bending genocide.
He goes awry because rather than adopt a precept upon which America was founded (“innocent until proven guilty” which, I might add, is NOT international judicial philosophy), he instead does the converse. Non-benders must prove their innocence. They must be found “non-dangerous.” Still, in no shape or form does he go out and brutally murder them in the streets, brand them, or force them into slavery under cruel conditions—all of which Hitler did in his efforts to exterminate Jews.
You can find parallels to the Holocaust in virtually any discrimination, but this is nowhere NEAR that level of oppression or victimization. I firmly believe Tarrlok at his center BELIEVES he is doing a good thing for the city by eliminating a true threat. He’s just so blinded by bending privilege that he can’t see non-benders as anything but the enemy. He’s the flip side of Amon, who refuses to see anything but enemies in the benders.
They are the same. Neither of them is Hitler. ]
 

Tennyo

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I actually would draw parallels to WWII.

But I would go more the route of how the US put rounded up Japanese citizens out of fear that they might be spies for Japan.

That's what I thought of a bit.
 

Theozilla

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I agree that Tarrlok's is nowhere near comparable to the Nazi's genocidal policy, it is only similar to the Nazis in the Facist behaviors/policies. But I agree the show's actual situation is much more similar to the USA's Japanese-American Internment of WWII and the Red Scare than the Holocaust. I think the Nazi comparison is more because people quickly compare/equate Facist themes in shows with the Nazis before we think of the USA's own ugly behavior.
 
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Zealkin

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Yeah there is a distinct difference, the show definitely had more of a internment camp parallel than Nazi's, i guess it goes back to Godwin's law. People jumped the gun a bit on this one.
 

Carlie

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There's nothing wrong with having too much time on your hands, what is done with it like that gif is another matter.
 
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Zealkin

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Anyone see the whole Korra should have been a lesbian thing on tumblr, I mean the idea has been going around for awhile, but just wondering whet you thought of it?

I personally think it would have been "too much" all at once. Korra is already a minority and a un-stereotypical female character. Two very underrepresented areas on tv. I do think that there needs to be gay characters represented on shows, especially cartoons, I was really rooting for that adventure time lesbian pairing that they were going to make, but people are closed minded enough as it is, and throwing all of that at an audience at once seems to be a bit much in my opinion.

doesn't mean i stop shipping korasami though
 

Alessa Gillespie

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Anyone see the whole Korra should have been a lesbian thing on tumblr, I mean the idea has been going around for awhile, but just wondering whet you thought of it?

I personally think it would have been "too much" all at once. Korra is already a minority and a un-stereotypical female character. Two very underrepresented areas on tv. I do think that there needs to be gay characters represented on shows, especially cartoons, I was really rooting for that adventure time lesbian pairing that they were going to make, but people are closed minded enough as it is, and throwing all of that at an audience at once seems to be a bit much in my opinion.

doesn't mean i stop shipping korasami though
regarding adventure time bubblegum/marceline is totally canon, it's just subtle and mostly in the comics

about korra being a lesbian, eh, i thought the show was already focused too much on romance as is

that said, i don't really care for the whole makorrasami love triangle because i dont know why korra likes mako (because she likes mako idk) whereas in the prior series it was pretty obvious as to why aang would like katara (she's nice, she believes in him, etc) and why katara would reciprocate these feelings. i don't feel that we really see this nearly as much with mako and korra
 
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Zealkin

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regarding adventure time bubblegum/marceline is totally canon, it's just subtle and mostly in the comics

about korra being a lesbian, eh, i thought the show was already focused too much on romance as is

that said, i don't really care for the whole makorrasami love triangle because i dont know why korra likes mako (because she likes mako idk) whereas in the prior series it was pretty obvious as to why aang would like katara (she's nice, she believes in him, etc) and why katara would reciprocate these feelings. i don't feel that we really see this nearly as much with mako and korra

That's awesome, I didn't know they approved it!

eh in korra one episode so far was focused on romance whereas in atla their were a couple of fillers focused mostly on it. I don't think they would have to focus on the romance aspect of korra being a lesbian to make her a lesbian, i just think it's kind of overload and it would seem kind of forced.

Hmm maybe Korra and Mako have off screen interactions that the fandom is just supposed to imagine, i want something more from them as well though.
 

Carlie

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Makes sense with how the last episode ended. Aang is not twinkle toes anymore.

Polar Bear said:
because i dont know why korra likes mako (because she likes mako idk)

I agree with this. There hasn't been any sort of explanation in the series as to why she likes especially with how much of a jerkass he's been to her, its just she likes him because she likes him and that's it.
 

Theozilla

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I agree with this. There hasn't been any sort of explanation in the series as to why she likes especially with how much of a jerkass he's been to her, its just she likes him because she likes him and that's it.
The initial reasons Korra liked Mako are pretty simple: she thought he was attractive and was impressed by his pro-bending. That is how most teenage attraction starts. They then further bonded in episode 3.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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The initial reasons Korra liked Mako are pretty simple: she thought he was attractive and was impressed by his pro-bending. That is how most teenage attraction starts. They then further bonded in episode 3.
i will admit that's how kataang started but then it evolved to 'and katara believes in him/is a kind person/defends him' and whatnot and mako and korra have 'mako tells korra about his history. korra is moved. mako then does nothing but berate her for the rest of the episodes. korra finds him attractive (?????)'
 

Theozilla

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i will admit that's how kataang started but then it evolved to 'and katara believes in him/is a kind person/defends him' and whatnot and mako and korra have 'mako tells korra about his history. korra is moved. mako then does nothing but berate her for the rest of the episodes. korra finds him attractive (?????)'

Attractive in a physical sense, she had to tell Jinora and Ikki before episode 3 she found Mako attractive in order to for them to tease her about him being the "handsome firebender boy who drives you crazy". And she was obviously impressed by his pro-bending in episode 2. And Mako's only really clashed with Korra in episodes 5 and 7, he has been amicable in all the others.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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Attractive in a physical sense, she had to tell Jinora and Ikki before episode 3 she found Mako attractive in order to for them to tease her about him being the "handsome firebender boy who drives you crazy". And she was obviously impressed by his pro-bending in episode 2. And Mako's only really clashed with Korra in episodes 5 and 7, he has been amicable in all the others.
idk there were so many moments that i thought should have included mako

like why didn't mako thank her for helping save his brother? why is it one of the times they fight he's willing to sacrifice their friendship if korra doesn't stop bothering hiroshi? out of all the avatar gang he seems like he's the one butting heads with korra the most and almost one who values their friendship the least
 
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Zealkin

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idk there were so many moments that i thought should have included mako

like why didn't mako thank her for helping save his brother? why is it one of the times they fight he's willing to sacrifice their friendship if korra doesn't stop bothering hiroshi? out of all the avatar gang he seems like he's the one butting heads with korra the most and almost one who values their friendship the least
I feel like a lot of off screen interaction is left out, and with good reason considering the series isn't meant to last long, they have to stuff in a lot of plot, and the romance is very fast paced as it is. Yes i think that what Mako said to Korra was immature, but he didn't do it without reason, yes he could have taken another approach, but again he's flawed in the way that he thinks he can just cut people out of his life with words alone.

They butt heads so much because they're so alike really :/
Both of them have really strong personalities, with a kind of take charge mentality. No doubt Bryke was trying to emphasize the fire and water opposites here.

The original series had a bunch of questionable cut off romantic intention as well, the kisses between Aang and Katara, although on screen were most of the time ignored until the very end where all the loose ends were tied up. I don't think romance is/was supposed to be focal in the legend of korra, it just seems that way because they have to put so much in, and although episode 5 was extremeelllly shippy, it did advance the plot in more ways than one.
 

Theozilla

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Here is a HD video of the episode 9 promo.

Some interesting observations:
-The location where Aang is lying down in before entering the Avatar State appears to be the same court/council room that we have seen in previous flashbacks. People appear to be slumped over in their seats as well.
-My guess is that Yakone was able to knock everyone in the room out with his Bloodbending and temporarily knock Aang out.
-After Korra exits her meditation visions her scars/cuts appear to disappear/heal.
 

Tennyo

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Anyone see the whole Korra should have been a lesbian thing on tumblr, I mean the idea has been going around for awhile, but just wondering whet you thought of it?

I personally think it would have been "too much" all at once. Korra is already a minority and a un-stereotypical female character. Two very underrepresented areas on tv. I do think that there needs to be gay characters represented on shows, especially cartoons, I was really rooting for that adventure time lesbian pairing that they were going to make, but people are closed minded enough as it is, and throwing all of that at an audience at once seems to be a bit much in my opinion.

doesn't mean i stop shipping korasami though

I, personally, wouldn't mind Korra being a lesbian. I don't really ship her with anyone as it is and don't really feel like she NEEDS a love story, but eh. They could have done it and it wouldn't have mattered to me one way or the other.

Sadly, though, the mainstream viewing audience isn't ready for what is widely regarded by non-geeks as a children's show to contain a gay/lesbian character. There would be way too much controversy, way to many people fighting against this show, and I'm sure Nick would have refused to air it.

I think society still has a long way to go before such a thing would be permissible on a cartoon. I have no doubt we'll eventually get there. We'll probably just be super old/dead by then. :/
 
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