Avatar: The Last Airbender & Korra (SPOILERS)

That's a nice post, but where is the actual confirmation? Is he citing something the creators have said? If so, where is that source? The poster is using words from the actual episodes, yes, but without creator confirmation I still find many parts of the finale to be too ambiguous.
 

Danseru-kun

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Yeah, I actually don't buy all the explanations for now but I thought that was really plausible.
I guess Raava can be compared to a sim card that was passed through a hundred phones. When she got destroyed, all the past data are also lost but it doesn't mean the current phone aka Korra didn't at least retain some information, but yeah the wealth of contacts are gone. Raava then was reborn (sim cards can't I know LOL) and gets inserted into Korra again. That's how I see it now.



Anyway some infos for Book Three

The Legend of Korra Book 3 Facts and Rumor Roundup
Hopefully to curb any misinformation, here is everything we know about Book 3:

  • Book 3 will be the first 13 episodes of season 2.
  • Studio Mir will animate ALL of Book 3 (and 4).
  • Metalbending Police chief Lin Beifong and her family will play a large role; "We’ve got great stuff planned for Lin and her family. It’s not right away, so don’t be mad if it doesn’t happen right away. Book 2, for the Lin fans…she’s not very heavily featured in Book 2, BUT, very heavily featured in Book 3" - Bryke during a book signing. source
  • Grey DeLisle, who voiced Azula in ATLA and the scorpion spirit in the Korra Book 2 finale, will be voicing a "bad girl" in Book 3. This character will NOT be a firebender (and not necessarily evil or a villain). source
Book 3 production progress:

  • The first four episodes’ “Take 1 animation” has been completed. source
  • Bryan Konietzko: “The premiere date hasn’t been pinned down, but we are on track to airing Book 3 with MUCH less of a wait than the unfortunate one there was before Book 2 aired.” source
Unclear information/rumors:

  • The title of Book 3 has been reported to be Shogun or Connections. These are both almost definitely not true.
  • Korra and Asami could bond and become better friends. source
  • Bryan has confirmed the current reigning monarch of the Earth Kingdom is an Earth Queen. Given that Book 3 is supposed to focus on Lin, many people have interpreted this together as an indication that this Earth Queen will appear in Book 3.
Furthermore, production on Book 4 is underway as well.

  • Book 4 is the confirmed end of the show, with 13 episodes.
  • Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy - Harry Potter, Zhao - ATLA), Jason Marsden, and Anne Heche have been added to the cast in at least one scene with Jinora. source
  • There is at least one scene with Katara and Korra. source
Hopefully with the shorter wait for Book 3, we will be getting more and more information soon!
Source: http://korranews.tumblr.com/post/67404185580/the-legend-of-korra-book-3-facts-and-rumor
 

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So what about Jinora? Can anyone with a connection to the Spirit Realm do what she does from now on at any given time given Korra's decision?
 

Theozilla

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That's a nice post, but where is the actual confirmation? Is he citing something the creators have said? If so, where is that source? The poster is using words from the actual episodes, yes, but without creator confirmation I still find many parts of the finale to be too ambiguous.
Out of curiosity what still is too ambiguous for you? As you said, that rcnano13 person is just using the terms, dialogue and what happened on screen to describe the events of the finale.

So what about Jinora? Can anyone with a connection to the Spirit Realm do what she does from now on at any given time given Korra's decision?
What exactly do you mean do what Jinora does? You mean
gather light spirit energy?
Because I don't know.
If I recall correctly, part of the reason why the mythos in the Avatar-verse aren't completely fleshed out in detail is because Bryke have said they don’t want the show to get too “Trade Federation-y,” since overexplaining things that were better left to the imagination was one of the biggest problems they felt the Star Wars prequels had. Leaving it vague like that is a deliberate creative choice, not an oversight. Whether you agree with that approach or not is up to you.
 

Roger

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What exactly do you mean do what Jinora does? You mean
gather light spirit energy?

I don't neccesarily agree with rcnano13's speculations either.

Because I don't know.
If I recall correctly, part of the reason why the mythos in the Avatar-verse aren't completely fleshed out in detail is because Bryke have said they don’t want the show to get too “Trade Federation-y,” since overexplaining things that were better left to the imagination was one of the biggest problems they felt the Star Wars prequels had. Leaving it vague like that is a deliberate creative choice, not an oversight. Whether you agree with that approach or not is up to you.

Well I definitely don't agree with it. They seemed to understand that while the Avatar maybe fated to save the world, it's powers needed a particular source. Having Jinora just be meant to help Korra and thus could do whatever was needed to accomplish this without question really doesn't satisfy me. There's a difference between leaving things up to interpretation and deus ex machina. Because they can't genuinely leave it up to interpretation, Jinora will be around next season and will either have avatarlike mystical powers and prescience or not. Probably not.
 

Theozilla

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I don't neccesarily agree with rcnano13's speculations either.
But's that is what happened on screen though
Jinora came down out of the spirit aurora with a orb of glowing light, then showered it onto Unavaatu and Cosmic energy empowered Korra which resulted in Unavaatu's spirit corruption bending being broken and jumpstarting/revealing Raava's spark in Unavaatu.
I don't know if what Jinora did is unique to her or not, but you can't deny that is what happened on screen.

Well I definitely don't agree with it.
That's a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold.
They seemed to understand that while the Avatar maybe fated to save the world, it's powers needed a particular source. Having Jinora just be meant to help Korra and thus could do whatever was needed to accomplish this without question really doesn't satisfy me. There's a difference between leaving things up to interpretation and deus ex machina. Because they can't genuinely leave it up to interpretation, Jinora will be around next season and will either have avatarlike mystical powers and prescience or not. Probably not.
And perhaps the future Blu-Ray commentaries for Book 2 will clarify exactly what Jinora did and whether it was an unique ability to her or not.
 
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Roger

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But's that is what happened on screen though
Jinora came down out of the spirit aurora with a orb of glowing light, then showered it onto Unavaatu and Cosmic energy empowered Korra which resulted in Unavaatu's spirit corruption bending being broken and jumpstarting/revealing Raava's spark in Unavaatu.
I don't know if what Jinora did is unique to her or not, but you can't deny that is what happened on screen.

Jumpstarting/revealing are not synonims. And nothing that Raava or Vaatu said suggests that they entirely expected Raava to be instantly return from death no harm done. Raava was dead, for good as far everyone was concerned, as was Vaatu's stated purpose in all this. Until Jinora's intervention.
That's a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold.

And perhaps the future Blu-Ray commentaries for Book 2 will clarify exactly what Jinora did and whether it was an unique ability to her or not.
They don't need to specify what actually happened to us. But the story does need to acknowledge the weirdness of the event. As Sokka would say most of it is just weird Avatar stuff.
But Jinora mixing it up with the spirits of Chaos and Harmony itself entirely under her own power should warrant sizable curiosity if I was Korra/Tenzin/her mother/any of her siblings. They need to arrive at some conclusion concerning what happened in the story, false speculation or no. "Well that happened. So how is Korra doing?" Doesn't do it for me.
 

Theozilla

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Jumpstarting/revealing are not synonims. And nothing that Raava or Vaatu said suggests that they entirely expected Raava to be instantly return from death no harm done. Raava was dead, for good as far everyone was concerned, as was Vaatu's stated purpose in all this. Until Jinora's intervention.
While
jumpstarting/revealing are not synonyms, the resulting effects they have are essentially no different. And Raava explicitly stated to Wan in Beginnings that neither she or Vaatu can ever be permanently destroyed, that even if one wins in their fight in Harmonic Convergence the defeated party will regrow in the winner over the next 10,000 years (they deliberately echoed that conversation in the Tree of Time). No one thought Raava was "dead" for good, rather they thought there just wasn't anything that could done to stop Unavaatu since Raava's regrowth would take 10,000 years occur, which by then Unavaatu/(future dark avatars) would have destroyed most of everything and/or ruling tyrannically what was left. Jinora's intervention just allowed cosmic Korra to pull Raava out of Unavaatu (regardless of whether it was a reveal/jumpstarted regrowth). Raava being inside of Unavaatu was foreshadowed.

And I am not denying that the specifics of what exactly Jinora did and whether or not it is a power/ability that is unique to her were not explained and/or addressed well.
But there is no denying that what literally happened on screen is that Jinora (her spirit/soul) came of out the spirit aurora with an orb of light, then showered it on cosmic Korra and Unavaatu, and that had the resulting effect of dispelling Unavaatu's spirit corruption bending and then jumpstarted/revealed (the difference is not that significant) Raava's growth in Vaatu, allowing cosmic Korra to pull her out.
They don't need to specify what actually happened to us. But the story does need to acknowledge the weirdness of the event. As Sokka would say most of it is just weird Avatar stuff.
But Jinora mixing it up with the spirits of Chaos and Harmony itself entirely under her own power should warrant sizable curiosity if I was Korra/Tenzin/her mother/any of her siblings. They need to arrive at some conclusion concerning what happened in the story, false speculation or no. "Well that happened. So how is Korra doing?" Doesn't do it for me.
As I stated above, I agree the specifics of what exactly Jinora did and whether or not it is a power/ability that is unique to her were poorly explained and/or addressed. I think the creators likely are just going treat it similar to the explanation of Amon's bloodbending being able to take away bending (which in story was "we don't know how he can, but Amon is just a super powerful bloodbender so he can take bending away"), they likely want to leave it intentionally vague, which I agree can be frustrating (they did elaborate a little on Amon's debending powers in their Blu-Ray commentaries, which is why I suggested maybe the Book 2 commentaries might provide clarification for Jinora's scene).
 
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Amon's taking away bending wasn't much of a problem for me. We see him become a bloodbender, we already knew he had trained master ki-blockers. Not really a stretch that someone with control of your insides with his knowledge could effect a more permament solution. That Airbending specifically got through for Korra seems off to me but that's it.
 

Theozilla

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Not sure why Katara couldn't fix it either, being able to bloodbend, but yeah, that he could do it makes sense.
Probably because bloodbending is essentially anti-healing as it severs chi-pathways (so bloodbending can't really be used to reverse the effects of previous bloodbending, it would be like trying to treat a burn with fire, I guess) and healing can only really improve the flow of chi not restore severed pathways.

That Airbending specifically got through for Korra seems off to me but that's it.
Korra was able to airbend because she wasn't thinking in relation to herself at the moment, she had no "ego-self".
Bryke also elaborated further on that in a different commentary:

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Transcript:Making_of_a_Legend_commentary#Part_2_11
Mike: At the end of Act I we see Korra's nightmare come true, she gets her bending taken away by Amon. This is the worst thing that could ever happen to her, now it seems like there's no way she's going to beat him, but there's a great moment where Mako kind of fights through Amon's bloodbending grip, and shoots him with lightning, and they get away, but just for a split second.

Bryan: Yeah, we had this idea that Korra could not airbend. She had a block, and you know, any time we talked about having it earlier in the season, y'know we just felt that we weren't satisfied. If that's what the season is about, her learning airbending, the season is called air, then it's got to be a pivotal thing. And, the moment that she breaks through, for me, it's the moment that she's not thinking about herself. Korra is a very self-centered character, she's very confident, but that is not what she needs, she needed to be selfless.
 

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Book 3 news

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“It’s all about Korra dealing with the change of the world in this point in time. At the end of Book 2 she says it’s a new era. And it really is and we’re going to show how Harmonic Convergence and her battle with Unalaq and Vaatu kind of shifted the world a bit.” -LoK creator Mike DiMartino talking to the Wall Street Journal about Book 3
 

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Youtube should do more of these

The key animator (Masahiro Sato, Studio Bones) who worked on these scenes in Korra Book 2 also worked on these other shows and their respective scenes

 
Found this gif. (Spoilers for near the end of LoK Book 2, for those who haven't watched)

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Slow version:
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Jesus I saw the final episode of Season 2 by accident and I like the twin cousins of Korra, as well as the dude her female cousin likes. That pairing amuses me, I will retrace my steps back to Legend of Korra S1 and up.
 

Fangu

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I finished ATLA today, and just... wow. I have so many feels regarding the characters - I love all of them. The ending was
fine, not awesome, fine - they should have spent less money on fire effects and more on people, haha. I was also sad we didn't get to see Mai fight, she had the most awesome entrance in a show ever. Also watching Aang and Katara kiss made me uncomfortable, he's what, 12? :wacky: Iroh + Zuko, that scene almost had me in tears, gawd. Zuko's journey in itself was just really intelligent and wonderful and I love his treason at the end of season 2. I really like how Katara threatened him too - she's there to protect Aang, not to be buddies. Toph had the best action scenes of everyone all throughout the show - her final one was completely win. Generally all of the characters were just really believable and well written. Also I love Appa and when he was gone I was all tensed up because it was like IF YOU HURT APPA -----------

I think one of my favourite jokes ever on the show was the remark about "all old people know each other!" That had me laughing out loud :lol:

I'm gonna miss this show. Will probably watch Korra sometimes later.
 

Masamune

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Little late to the party but what else is new?

Anyone who's anyone knows that I loved the pants off ATLA. It was a show that I had initially pooh-poohed with a cursory glance, writing it off under the false impression that it was another one of those anime-wannabe cartoons that have gradually trickled into Western pop culture. All of this was unfounded, of course, upon watching the first episode of the show whereupon I found myself hooked. ATLA was a show with the Midas touch. Behind the top notch animation, stellar voice acting, and inspired world building, it was a touching, funny and exciting cartoon that appealed to kids and adults alike with pathos and comedy that all ages could appreciate on different levels. It was a surprisingly deep kid's show that wasn't afraid to weave itself into historical threads and tell a cautionary tale of imperialism, political intrigue and war to name a few, without ever getting on its soapbox.

Legend of Korra, promised something a little different, offering us an older protagonist and a more mature, slightly hard-boiled departure from ATLA. Picking up some 70 years after the original, TLoK takes centre stage in the industrial metropolis of Republic City. Korra, the newest incarnation of the Avatar, is a bending prodigy, already mastering the elements of Fire, Earth & Water. Having failed to master Air, she moves to the big city to live with Tenzin – Airbender and son of Aang, Korra's predecessor. However, the sense of humour and charm that engendered ATLA tails off by the time of TLoK. There wasn't something quite right about the show, which is why I tuned out for awhile after the five episodes. While it be might slightly unfair to judge TLoK by ATLA's standards, it still fails to make its own mark and I'll explain why.

Firstly, there's some serious red flags in the character department. Let's start with the eponymous Korra, and I’m just going to come right out and say it: Korra is a Mary Sue. She’s a plucky, innately gifted, strong-willed heroine who despite some incidental character flaws is never once forced to suffer the consequences of them. People love her, people idolize her, she drives a wedge between brethren and she steals boyfriends from their girlfriends, simply by virtue of being her irresistible self. Quite a contrast, then, to her predecessor. Aang was a goofy kid, sometimes overly sensitive and immature, at other times possessing wisdom beyond his years. We felt for him as he faced the challenges of the outside world and struggled to trust in his own abilities. I never felt remotely connected to Korra or the rest of the cast for that matter.

We have Bolin, who at first seems like he might have something about him, but like many aspects of the plot got shoved aside to allow the obnoxious love-triangle to come to the fore. He's quickly sidelined as a poor man's Sokka, occasionally pulled in when the scene requires some awkward humour to kill the tension, and little else. And that's one of the biggest problems with TLoK: the love triangle. There's far too much focus on this lacklustre “romance”. I get it, TLoK's predominantly a story between teenagers, and naturally teens are going to get wrapped in relationships despite the dire circumstances they find themselves in. However, it was badly handled and I might as well have been watching Dawson's Creek for my sins. Particularly egregious is the fact Korra & Mako have absolutely no chemistry together. In the end this romance comes down to Korra falling for a selfish dick who puts his own needs before everyone else. Hey... maybe this show is more realistic than I give it credit for! :awesome:

At least they got the main villain right... right? WRONG. Despite its shortcomings, I was quietly confident that the handling of Amon would turn out to be one of TLoK's redeeming qualities. Here we have a radical extremist who puts the civil unrest between benders and non-benders into egalitarian use to bring down the walls of society. Kind of like V from V for Vendetta meets William Stryker from X-Men. His mere presence alone was enough to steal every scene he was in, managing to evoke fear and hostility in equal measure. He had the potential to be a truly epochal villain, if they had stuck with his original portrayal as the horribly disfigured victim of a Firebender who developed a deep and abiding hatred for all Benders. Instead they wasted his potential, because it transpires he was just some embittered Water Bender in disguise with daddy issues, which as a result confuses his motivation and completely undermines the thematic integrity of this entire conflict. Talk about a bait and switch.

Which brings us to the ending. In the midst of her fight with Amon, Korra has her bending stripped away, only for Amon not reckoning that she'd unlock her Air bending powers. After Amon has been defeated and peace restored, Korra is now faced with the fallout of losing her gifts. I assumed that considering the cyclical nature of the series, this would be the springboard for Korra's next journey as she's forced to travel the world and relearn the three elements, as Aang did before her. That was soon dashed when her predicament was solved courtesy of some Avatar ex Machina. Aang and the other Avatars appear before her and not only restore Korra's original powers but give her the ability to cure the other depowered benders as well. The Lion Turtle was a whole lot of plot convenience but this is something else entirely.

Given the prevailing opinion holds that the show goes downhill after season 1, I'm not in any rush to watch more.

On a more positive note, Lin Beifong quickly became my favourite character in the show once she ditched her stuck-up attitude. But then what else would you expect from the daughter of the great Toph?
 

ForceStealer

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Watch the episodes about the origins of the Avatar, at least.

But, by and large, I agree. I can see that they may not have wanted to repeat the first show with someone nly knowing air and learning the rest...but then don't make her lose her powers. The circumstances under which she discovered her airbending was all wrong anyway from what they had been telling us and her about it all along.
 

Clement Rage

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Korra losing her powers was an awesome opportunity. She loses her bending, and therefore has to learn first hand the extent of the prejudice against non-benders, and doesn't have to re learn them (she knows how to bend, it would just be a matter of finding a way to remove the block. Why remove them just to give them back right away? (This is a little unfair, because at the time they didn't know they'd get a season 2)

Korra screws up lots of times by assuming she's unbeatable, she gets taken down hard more than once. On Amon, yes, I'd have preferred him to be telling the truth, but as it was it worked okay.

Season 2
This one was less defensible. You don't have to return to the status quo, but if you're going to wreak a lasting change on the world, put some thought into it! Canvas for opinions! Also she used so many cheat codes in the final battle it wasn't even funny. As it is, it's established that non benders are completely defenceless against the spirits that have now been let into the world.

An awkward, unnecessary romance is a trademark of TLA, to be fair, although love triangles almost always annoy me.
 
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