S and G might be thinking that President Shinra's suggestion that Rufus may not become president is a hint that he was considering Lazard for the position instead.
That's not the reading I took from it, but I can see how it might be taken that way. I personally doubt that Daddy Shinra ever knew Lazard was his son.
I figured Rufus' pops was just being a prick and wanted to emphasize to Rufus that he would have to earn being president.
Anyway, yeah, the story ties in extremely well. No continuity contradictions thus far -- and it's just got some damn good moments all around.
When the young Rufus discusses the idea with his father, he talks about putting it in for the son who would succeed him. Now, it's obviously directed at Rufus at this time. 'L' is for 'Loser' is fair enough, but do you honestly think the sig on the ceiling of the room or the room being for 'L' really just means Loser? Look, hands up if I'm wrong, but can't anyone else see how it would make a huge amount more sense if President Shinra had originally (perhaps not in the end, but at least when the room was built) hoped it would go to Lazard. I can understand why Squall of SeeD would suggest that PS knew nothing of Lazard's existence, but seriously consider the possibility that PS had an affair with a woman of the Slums (which the Slums people knew about through rumours) and she gave birth without him knowing, and that the child grew up to be an important part of his military setup WITHOUT HIM KNOWING? I would like to suggest that the relationship between Lazard and PS went slightly deeper than was exposed during CC, and that perhaps Lazard obtained his role through possible blackmail, stinging even further when Rufus got the Vice President job after the 'L' (Lazard) room had been created.
Again, this is just my interpretation. But I would invite anyone to reread the CoS passage from page 5 onwards with this idea in place and see how well you think it fits.
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that's what I think.
Lol, Daddy was an idiot. Shinra has no enemies so he doesn't need an escape route? Retard, he deserved to die. I hope his last thoughts as Sephiroth impaled him were "where did I put that switch?"
When the young Rufus discusses the idea with his father, he talks about putting it in for the son who would succeed him. Now, it's obviously directed at Rufus at this time. 'L' is for 'Loser' is fair enough, but do you honestly think the sig on the ceiling of the room or the room being for 'L' really just means Loser? Look, hands up if I'm wrong, but can't anyone else see how it would make a huge amount more sense if President Shinra had originally (perhaps not in the end, but at least when the room was built) hoped it would go to Lazard. I can understand why Squall of SeeD would suggest that PS knew nothing of Lazard's existence, but seriously consider the possibility that PS had an affair with a woman of the Slums (which the Slums people knew about through rumours) and she gave birth without him knowing, and that the child grew up to be an important part of his military setup WITHOUT HIM KNOWING? I would like to suggest that the relationship between Lazard and PS went slightly deeper than was exposed during CC, and that perhaps Lazard obtained his role through possible blackmail, stinging even further when Rufus got the Vice President job after the 'L' (Lazard) room had been created.
Again, this is just my interpretation. But I would invite anyone to reread the CoS passage from page 5 onwards with this idea in place and see how well you think it fits.
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that's what I think.
Fair enough, S and G. I took Daddy Shinra's explanation of "L for Loser" as the reality, but there's wiggle room enough for other ideas.
One of the things that really makes me think it was for Rufus, though, is that there's even a giant "L" on the ceiling of that recovery room the escape route leads to. So, Pops Shinra had it in mind that even while Rufus would be laying there to get better, he'd be looking up at the ceiling and seeing a reminder that he's a loser.
Also, I just really, really enjoy this reading of it. XD Perhaps you and others might better enjoy the irony that would stem from it being meant for Lazard.
Lol, Daddy was an idiot. Shinra has no enemies so he doesn't need an escape route? Retard, he deserved to die. I hope his last thoughts as Sephiroth impaled him were "where did I put that switch?"
I thought of his death as well while reading his lines where he said he'd never use the escape route. I wonder if he consciously chose not to use it right up to the end.
I kind of feel like he wasn't one to forget things, and so did actually choose to remain.
I don't know if the pres had balls or if he was just that fucking egotistical to think nothing could harm him.
And no, he didn't finish it yet. He got to page six, if I remember right.
...This is definately my favorite OTWTAS story.
Lol, L I can just picture Pres. Shinra in the Lifestream holding up the LOSER sign on his forehead at that moment.
And that's interesting -- so potions and stuff have expiration dates. This is why I like literary work so much better sometimes. You get little tidbits of information like that which probably wouldn't have come up in other kinds of media.
Lol, L I can just picture Pres. Shinra in the Lifestream holding up the LOSER sign on his forehead at that moment.
And that's interesting -- so potions and stuff have expiration dates. This is why I like literary work so much better sometimes. You get little tidbits of information like that which probably wouldn't have come up in other kinds of media.
This stuff has remained consistently good. Hard to believe that he's only 1/3 of the way through it, though (27 pages of 75 in the actual OtWtaS book). This is going to be a long one.
I really enjoyed the moment where we learn that the password to the room Rufus was in was just his birthday. That was a very nice touch -- and added a bit of humanity to his father.
All the scenes with Reno and Rude, of course, were nice. I liked how Reno was the one who spoke for everyone about wanting to stay on as Turks, and Rude's recognition that Tseng's actions here were for atonement.
The Turks working to save Midgar's citizens -- punctuated by comments like Reno pushing himself beyond his limits in that pursuit, never taking a break, and no longer having to live with regrets -- was one of the best parts of this.
Not happy to see more references to the continuity clusterfuck that is Before Crisis, but as they don't drag BC's contradictions into this story, it doesn't impair Case of Shin-Ra's own ability to work in-continuity with the original game's.
I thought it was pretty hilarious that Nojima seems to also think that Nomura's comment about the opening of DC explaining why Vincent and Yuffie weren't in the ending of the original game -- and the 10th Anniversary Ultimania's comments that Vincent and Yuffie helped with evacuations after defeating Sephiroth -- is bullshit.
He has Rufus' evactuation here happen unquestionably on the same night that Diamond WEAPON destroyed his office -- rather than a week later, which was always absurd in my mind. He also fairly blatantly presented it here that the whole team was in Midgar helping out -- not just Vincent and Yuffie -- since Rude spotted Tifa.
He definitely shot that whole ridiculus scenario in the face.
Though I still don't care for BC getting acknowledgement of any kind, I appreciate Nojima making an attempt to fix that particular matter of the same night vs. a week later for the canon story. And I can be thankful that he didn't start putting callbacks to specific shit from BC in. He left it adequately vague -- and for that, I'm very thankful. I like being able to look at this story as a real part of continuity rather than a fragment of an alternate universe.
God dammit, every time one of the OTWTAS entries is translated I spent the next week updating the Wiki!
This really fucks up the FF7 timeline. Uh, let's see, Tifa was unconscious for a week when the Crater cave in, plus the time between her waking up and them killing Seph, and apparently Meteor didn't hit until another week after that? Yeesh, sounds like it practically took a month for Meteor to hit once it was summoned. And I thought Seph's plan took a while before, yikes...
One week, plus however long it was between when she woke up and when Seph was killed. I can't find the "one week later" sentence either, and hope it isn't true because that throws everything off. Actually it's already thrown off because FF7 shows Meteor hitting as the party leaves the Crater, and in the novella Rude sees Tifa helping the evacuation in Midgar.
I think you've got your timeline confused or misunderstood me. Remember, it was a week from Shin-Ra's defeat until Meteor came down. Nanaki said so before everyone got off the Highwind.
Nomura said that the opening of DC happened during the ending of the original game as an explanation for Vince and Yuffie's absence in the original game's ending. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania said that Vincent and Yuffie (this is in their profiles) assisted in the evacuations in Midgar after helping the others defeat Sephiroth.
We even seen Rufus being carried away on a stretcher in the opening of DC.
So they had made it out previously like the rescue of Rufus happened on the night of FFVII's ending. This was obviously a problem for a number of reasons, not the least of which being Midgar was already being trashed when AVALANCHE got back there from the Northern Crater.
Case of Shin-Ra now fixes that ridiculous idea for the canon continuity.
One week, plus however long it was between when she woke up and when Seph was killed. I can't find the "one week later" sentence either, and hope it isn't true because that throws everything off. Actually it's already thrown off because FF7 shows Meteor hitting as the party leaves the Crater, and in the novella Rude sees Tifa helping the evacuation in Midgar.
It's not true. She was only unconscious for a week in Junon while Rufus held Barret and Tifa in that holding place or whatever. There is no statement of a week passing by after they defeated Sephiroth.
TresDias said:
I think you've got your timeline confused. Remember, it was a week from Shin-Ra's defeat until Meteor came down. Nanaki said so before everyone got off the Highwind.
No, I remember that. I'm just saying, where was it ever stated a week passed after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater? DC never says that. It's opening is said to have occurred right after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater.
Nomura said that the opening of DC happened during the ending of the original game as an explanation for Vince and Yuffie's absence. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania said that Vincent and Yuffie (this is in their profiles) assisted in the evacuations in Midgar after helping the others defeat Sephiroth.
We even seen Rufus being carried away on a stretcher in the opening of DC.
So they had made it out previously like the rescue of Rufus happened on the night of FFVII's ending. This was obviously a problem for a number of reasons, not the least of which being Midgar was already being trashed when AVALANCHE got back there from the Northern Crater.
Yeah, it's a problem because it doesn't mesh with how the ending of FFVII was depicted at all. They'd have to re-do the ending or something.
So what was it they did in Case of Shinra that reconciled the incongruent depiction of Yuffie and Vincent's rescue attempt after the fight in the Northern Crater?
No, I remember that. I'm just saying, where was it ever stated a week passed after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater? DC never says that. It's opening is said to have occurred right after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater.
It wasn't a week from Seph's defeat to Meteor's descent, but a week from Shin-Ra's defeat to Meteor's descent.
Thus, Rufus was previously in the ruins of the Shin-Ra building for a week before being rescued.
Mako Eyes said:
Yeah, it's a problem because it doesn't mesh with how the ending of FFVII was depicted at all. They'd have to re-do the ending or something.
So what was it they did in Case of Shinra that reconciled the incongruent depiction of Yuffie and Vincent's rescue attempt after the fight in the Northern Crater?
Reno and Rude rescue him on the same night that Diamond WEAPON destroyed the office. They also see Tifa and Yuffie assisting with the citizens at this time.
The Turks then take Rufus to Kalm and come back to Midgar on the night of Meteor's descent.
Oh wow...so...they basically did it the way I thought they should've in the first place.
Reno and Rude rescue him on the same night that Diamond WEAPON destroyed the office. They also see Tifa and Yuffie assisting with the citizens at this time.
So they retconned DC's opening. Or...rather, they made the depiction of DC's opening, no longer after the Northern Crater battle, but instead, right after the Diamond WEAPON strike. Which makes it fit with the FFVII depiction of the ending.
Now see, that does makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. I was advocating that interpretation back on ACF, and explaining how due to the placement of Meteor in the sky, that was the only time it could've taken place.
But then one has to ask...why didn't they do that in the first place? Why retcon in the first place?
The Turks then take Rufus to Kalm and come back to Midgar on the night of Meteor's descent.
Yeah, that makes sense. I like how everyone else was helping. But one has to ask, why they didn't do that in the first place, and just....ugh. That's just confusing. XD
I've been asking myself that for years. XD The way Nojima has it now is the only way it could have ever worked. Why it wasn't done that way from the start is a one of many questions that have to be asked when looking at the continuity fuck-ups that have come up so much since they started the Compilation.
They didn't do it like that because DC's scenario writer was someone else and he probably gave even less of a fuck than Nojima in regards to continuity.
They didn't do it like that because DC's scenario writer was someone else and he probably gave even less of a fuck than Nojima in regards to continuity.
You can tell. DC's story continuity is worse than most fanfictions.
The opening sequence of DC always bugged me -- it's cute that they tried to explain why Vincent and Yuffie weren't in the FF7 ending, but it completely doesn't fit. There's no way they can be in Midgar as Meteor is falling, if they were in the Northern Crater fighting Sephiroth and then on the Highwind.
So to solve it, they retconned on a retcon! Awesome. I think they've set a new precedent.
Case of Shinra is turning out to be quite the interesting read.
This part in particular made me laugh, though:
Cloud. He was linked to everything that has happened so far and was one of the great mysteries that remains to be solved but at the same time, he was a necessity. He's just a kid, Tseng felt but no matter how much he thought about it, he didn't know what the outcome will be. In any case, it was best Cloud had the Black Materia to prevent the Ultimate Black Magic, Meteor from being used.
With so many previous FF heroes/characters being so young and achieving/doing things that they shouldn't be achieving/doing at their age, and all in all there being such a focus on youth, we get Cloud who is actually an ADULT in his TWENTIES, and Tseng says he's only a kid?
I mean yes Cloud was only twenty-one in FFVII but still. It seems a bit odd in the grand scheme of things.
Case of Shinra is turning out to be quite the interesting read.
This part in particular made me laugh, though:
With so many previous FF heroes/characters being so young and achieving/doing things that they shouldn't be achieving/doing at their age, and all in all there being such a focus on youth, we get Cloud who is actually an ADULT in his TWENTIES, and Tseng says he's only a kid?
I mean yes Cloud was only twenty-one in FFVII but still. It seems a bit odd in the grand scheme of things.
That's because Tseng knows nothing about the grand scheme of things (he needs to play Dissidia XDDD). Plus, Tseng might be on his late twenties/early thirties, so a guy of 21 is a kid to him.
I can just picture Pres. Shinra in the Lifestream holding up the LOSER sign on his forehead at that moment.
