Definitive and Absolute Power Tier List.

[Cat Rage Room]

I'd still give her that one. Early in the story, Rydia comes off as the more potent and better-rounded of the two.

Though Cecil certainlly gains a power-up as a Paladin, Rydia becomes much more powerful as well. Going by what little we have to compare them at that stage, I'm compelled to go with Rydia.

How is Rydia better rounded? The ONLY thing she's good at is magical prowess. She's very GOOD at it, but still, even from a gameplay perspective, summoners and black mage types are the ANTITHESIS of well rounded.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Tell Golbez that.

Even early in the story you've got Dark Knight Cecil having to ask Rydia to melt the wall of ice that he's unable to take care of himself. While I'm sure he's eventually able to handle it on his own, she's still getting more powerful too.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Even early in the story you've got Dark Knight Cecil having to ask Rydia to melt the wall of ice that he's unable to take care of himself. While I'm sure he's eventually able to handle it on his own, she's still getting more powerful too.

I'm not doubting that she's powerful, nor am I undermining her unique contributions to the team. But calling her overall more powerful than Cecil? That's a stretch. There's more to power and ability than how much damage you can do.

 

[Tetsujin]

How is Rydia better rounded?

Because she's got well-rounded ass and boobies.

 

[Hawkeye.]

Along with the exotic green hair.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Notice how all the sexy females he likes always seem to end up the strongest.

I'm onto you Tres.

 

[Hawkeye.]

It's because the man has an eye for Level 99 thighs.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Well, the Ultimania Omega says that the Northern Crater bit with Cloud and his team appearing so suddenly was caused by an illusion. Both groups had been in the same room the whole time.

Everything else was inconclusive. Just said that Seph "appeared" in the cargo ship's engine room and in the mural hallway of the temple.

I'm not doubting that she's powerful, nor am I undermining her unique contributions to the team. But calling her overall more powerful than Cecil? That's a stretch. There's more to power and ability than how much damage you can do.

True enough. I won't deny that I can't prove my hunch.

Notice how all the sexy females he likes always seem to end up the strongest.

I'm onto you Tres.

It's because the man has an eye for Level 99 thighs.

Truth be told, I prefer Rosa when it comes to FFIV's females. Not that I'd kick Rydia out of bed or anything, but Rosa's my preference by far.

You guys have got me on Fran ,though.

 

[Dark and Divine]

Does anyone else think Sephiroth teleports?

Well, he seems to do so in CC when we fight him. But it's more of a gameplay event, so I don't know if we should count it or not.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well hitoshura looked at the 10th Anniversary Ultimania at those same instances...

The 10th Anniversary Ultimania's FFVII story playback completely omitted the Cargo Ship event.

It said the same thing about Sephiroth appearing to Tseng and stabbing him.

And it said the same thing about Cloud and the others being in the same room as the Shinra executives in the Northern Crater, and it was all an illusion.

So I'd say that the official materials are at the very least inconclusive regarding teleportation and Sephiroth at least, and at most, pretty much shows the guy never does it, leading one to believe that's not part of his ability.

If the guy could teleport, it would certainly warrant mention, and listing as one of Jenova's many abilities. I'd say the fact it doesn't say so, and the one time it states definitively on one of the moments teleportation could be thought of as being connected to Jenova/Sephiroth..it says its an illusion, is enough to say that Jenova and Sephiroth can't teleport.

@Dark & Divine

I wouldn't really consider that teleportation considering when you see him do that, you can see a faint air trail of movement from the ground when he appears and disappears. It looks more like high speed movement to me. The wind around his feet moves and then the wind appears again right when he emerges.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well, he seems to do so in CC when we fight him. But it's more of a gameplay event, so I don't know if we should count it or not.

It's a pussy move is what it is. He did for like 2 minutes straight the first time I fought him...

 

[Tetsujin]

Despite his high-speed movement trick, the fight is still awfully slow DX

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: teleportation, there's having the ability to teleport, and having the ability to teleport for tactical advantage. And there is a distinct difference.

Rosa, for example, can teleport. Uses it explicitly in the storyline of the game. She can't use it for offensive tactical advantage.

Oh, and re: Rydia's fire, that magical- and I do stress magical- wall of ice was IIRC, made by Tellah, and they needed her fire magic to counter the ice magic directly, since it would have taken far too long to destroy by non magical means.
Though one does sort of wonder why Rosa didn't try 'dispel', but then again, she might not have had that yet.

 

[OWA-2]

There's something Sephiroth did in the Crater that I never understood completelly. After we see him killing the clones, he says that he doesn't need that body(Jenova's body) anymore and then... He turns completely black and disappears. But the way he disappears looks like he is deconstructing/killing the body.
At first I though that was the case, but soon later he re-appears in front of you with the same body he 'killed' previously, and transforms in Jenova-Death.

So anybody knows what exactly happened there?

It said the same thing about Sephiroth appearing to Tseng and stabbing him.

And it said the same thing about Cloud and the others being in the same room as the Shinra executives in the Northern Crater, and it was all an illusion.

So I'd say that the official materials are at the very least inconclusive regarding teleportation and Sephiroth at least

Wait, what? Didn't you just say that the Guide states "it was all an illusion"? How can this be considered inconclusive?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Wait, what? Didn't you just say that the Guide states "it was all an illusion"? How can this be considered inconclusive?

It doesn't tell us anything specific about other scenes. It only tells us that he didn't teleport Cloud and co. into that room in the crater.

There's something Sephiroth did in the Crater that I never understood completelly. After we see him killing the clones, he says that he doesn't need that body(Jenova's body) anymore and then... He turns completely black and disappears. But the way he disappears looks like he is deconstructing/killing the body.
At first I though that was the case, but soon later he re-appears in front of you with the same body he 'killed' previously, and transforms in Jenova-Death.

So anybody knows what exactly happened there?

Near as I can tell he just had the body transform into JENVOA-Death and fight them.

 

[OWA-2]

I found the video, and it looks like teleportation to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84toOhzbABA&feature=related

Watch from 22:50 to 24:18


Hard to believe it was an illusion, giving the fact he was killing the clones.

From his appearance in the Temple and the Crater, everything is pointing to him being able to teleport. And from what I understood from your posts in this thread, the Guides don't deny it either.

I think we have enough visual evidence to say that he can do it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

.....The fact he was killing the clones before, and then made himself disappear, then appear behind you doesn't support the fact he teleported at all. Especially given the fact he was able to make Shinra, and Cloud's group of not even realize they were in the same room with each other and made it look like Cloud's group appeared out of nowhere before.

That's illusion, and no. It doesn't support any notion of teleportation at all. His form disappearing and then re-appearing, is in the same vein as him making you see and not see whatever he so chooses.

If he could teleport then the books would describe explicitly Sephiroth teleporting somewhere or somehow in the scene. Just like they say explicitly he's able to shape shift, fly, mind control, and trap people in illusions.

 

[Ryushikaze]

In a scene where Sephiroth's power of illusion is being exercised, I don't think we can really trust the visual evidence, given it's all illusion.

 

[OWA-2]

.....The fact he was killing the clones before, and then made himself disappear, then appear behind you doesn't support the fact he teleported at all. Especially given the fact he was able to make Shinra, and Cloud's group of not even realize they were in the same room with each other and made it look like Cloud's group appeared out of nowhere before.

That's illusion, and no. It doesn't support any notion of teleportation at all. His form disappearing and then re-appearing, is in the same vein as him making you see and not see whatever he so chooses.

If he could teleport then the books would describe explicitly Sephiroth teleporting somewhere or somehow in the scene. Just like they say explicitly he's able to shape shift, fly, mind control, and trap people in illusions.

Nothing personal Mako, but if I have to chose between your interpretation of those scenes, and the visual evidence, I chose the later.



And Ryushikaze, illusions cannot touch physical objects/organisms, let alone kill them. But that's exactly what happened in the video showed by me.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm, well I guess from the appearance of Supernova in the final battle, the visual evidence is pointing to Sephiroth being able to destroy the solar system several times. And from what I understand from everything, the guidebooks don't say he can't either.

Nope, no reason to doubt direct visual evidence at all.

You don't seem to be grasping that he could have been physically killing the clones on one hand, and then used Jenova's illusionary powers to make them think he was still there standing when he already was right behind them, right after slaughtering the Sephiroth Copies. You're looking at it all wrong.

 

[Ryushikaze]

What is a power Sephiroth has?

Is it telekinesis?

Plus, he can kill clones, cloak himself in illusion, have another him appear with this illusion, and take his sweet time getting in place of his illusion.

 

[Cthulhu]

Jesus fucking christ. Just put Cthulhu at the top at the list, then a whole lot of nothing, then The Rest sharing last place.

 

[Strangelove]

Stuff about Sephiroth

Does it matter?

Because that wasn't Sephiroth? All of the stuff before that (cargo ship, Temple of the Ancients, Whirlwind Maze, etc.) was Jenova. It's not Sephiroth using Jenova's powers, it's Jenova using its own powers (while doing what Sephiroth wanted).

 

[OWA-2]

Does it matter?

Because that wasn't Sephiroth? All of the stuff before that (cargo ship, Temple of the Ancients, Whirlwind Maze, etc.) was Jenova. It's not Sephiroth using Jenova's powers, it's Jenova using its own powers (while doing what Sephiroth wanted).

That's the same thing as saying "It wasn't Ultimecia there, it was Edea" or "It wasn't Hojo talking to Vincent, it was Weiss".
The fact Sephiroth was using another body to interact with you, doesn't change the fact it was him.

And going by the fact Sephiroth merges with Jenova later in the game, and in ACC is composed of 100% of her cells, there isn't a difference between him and Jenova anymore.

 

[Strangelove]

But at those points of the game, it wasn't Sephiroth. It was still Jenova, separate from him. He might have those abilities himself, but I just think it would make more sense to look at appearances that actually involved him.