DMC spoiler argument about relationships split from Chit Chat

[Purple]

Edit: "I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with light" and the lone tear drop (happens in a lot of love stories)... you seriously can't see it?

Without a doubt, one of the most cringe-worthy lines in VG history. Who the hell was his VA?!

Conversely though it is creepy doesn't mean that CAPCOM didn't pair them together.

I have all the Devil May Cry OST's on my pc and the music to the scene where Dante and Trish escape on the helicopter in dmc1 is called "Seeds of love". Let's pray this love is a friendly one.


Akemmi

For some reason I laughed when you said we should for that love to be a friendly one.

Okay, DxT, I don't really know how to feel about this pairing. They're not humans after all (or are they? I forgot) so I don't think morality applies to them (?)

But still, incest/anything that seems incestous is gross.

 

[Akemmi]

Without a doubt, one of the most cringe-worthy lines in VG history. Who the hell was his VA?!



For some reason I laughed when you said we should for that love to be a friendly one.

Okay, DxT, I don't really know how to feel about this pairing. They're not humans after all (or are they? I forgot) so I don't think morality applies to them (?)

But still, incest/anything that seems incestous is gross.

lol I'm happy I made you laugh. ^^

Nice to meet you also and yes I have mixed feelings towards the pairing aswell, but overall if they are intended to be together it's sick. DMC5 will tell.

xxx

Akemmi

 

[Purple]

True that. But eh, they're not human anyway. Or is Trish human? I seem to have forgotten.

 

[Max Payne]

Dante x Trish?

Oh, a fan fiction thread?

lol high five!

 

[Cthulhu]

Wasn't Trish X Eva cannon or something like that?

 

[Celes Chere]

Alright, I have something interesting for the DxT non-believers. Please tell me what you think of it.

'Dante' from 'Dante Alighieri' and 'Trish' from 'Beatrice Portinari'

Note: Dante Alighieri was in love with Beatrice. She was his inspiration for his work, La Vita Nuova.

Considering I really form attractions to people based on personality more than appearance anyway.

Exactly!

The resemblance is clearly enough to make the guy think of his mother, and they showed us that in the game itself.

But we've already said that we know she looks like Dante's Mother, and that he is reminded of his Mother. It's later on that shows he isn't seeing Trish as "OMG MOM". The two being together to me, shows the honor of his Father and his Mother living on, especially by the two of them being together.

Oh, a fan fiction thread?

I laughed my ass of, because that WAS good.

Dante x Nero

In fact their fighting was nothing but.

That's the real canon. <3 True... Nero wraps his legs around him the first time they meet. And since physical touch seems to mean EVERYTHING...

@Akemmi- No need to apologize, feel as you wish. Oh, and I forgot about that. I'm not sure why the La Vita Nuova stuff didn't trigger that. Also, I think Nero and Kyrie's situation is a bit different, lol. I don't find that one weird at all, because they aren't really related in any way. While Nero may have qualities of a brother, that doesn't mean he literally is one. Strange... somehow I think Trish having the qualities of Dante's mother... doesn't mean he sees her that way at all.

Who the hell was his VA?!

Lol, no kidding. He squeaked. I agree, incest is gross. I don't get why so many fangirls ship DantexVergil. Because they ARE related, and there's no way around that.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Similar=/=exactly alike.

Er, they don't look exactly alike. They just look very similar.

And that's still irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you're familiar with them, if a person is almost a twin of another one, her appearance will remind you of that person. It doesn't mean you'll mistake them for one another, you'll just think of them.

I think it's pretty possible to separate one's emotional reactions between two people even if they look similar. What if one identical twin did something to piss you off and the other one saved your life? Similar case, you'd be able to separate your emotional reactions for the two of them surely.

And no one's saying looks alike=equals the same person.

You were the one implying that because two people look similar you won't be able to distinguish your emotional reactions between them. At least, that's definitely the implication that I got from your posts, but I don't really care enough about this discussion anymore to go back and see why.

 

[Max Payne]

You were the one implying that because two people look similar you won't be able to distinguish your emotional reactions between them. At least, that's definitely the implication that I got from your posts, but I don't really care enough about this discussion anymore to go back and see why.

No I did not. I said that when two people bear a heavy resemblance to each other you're likely to think of a person you know when you look at them. Trish looks almost just like Dante's dead mother, who he loved a lot, and it's only natural that he'd think of his mother when he looks at her.

He clearly does, because he did it in DMC1. He spared her life because he looks like his mother. If it was just a passing resemblance he wouldn't have done that. Trish's entire reason for being created was to look like his mother and make him weak. He may have moved past that by now, and obviously sees her as her own person, but there's no way he still doesn't think of that sometimes.

That's all I said. There's nothing to discuss here besides the fact that there's no relationship between Dante and Trish past their friendship and partnership. Dante probably sees her as family, and loves her like that.

But if they were meant to be in a relationship Capcom would have made that clear. DMC doesn't beat around the bush or play around if they want to get something across. Dante and Trish are clearly referred to as "partners" in the games, the anime, all of the official material and nothing more. Unlike Nero and Kirie whose relationship is made blatantly obvious. Trish and Dante don't stick together like glue, nor do they have any obligations to each other. Hell, trish doesn't even hang around him all the time. Lady met Dante before Trish did, and they worked together for some time, she still pesters Dante for his help, yet she never even met Trish. Lady probably struck out on her own for a while, which would explain that, but there's no way in hell she could have never met her if she and Dante were always that close. I mean what, Dante doesn't have a picture of her anywhere? Does she not have her things there? If they were in a serious relationship there should be something.

What the hell is that?

They're just very good friends, or see each other as family.

 

[Ⓐaron]

maybe I just misread your poasts then, it was 6am after all. I don't really care enough to go back and review where I got the impression from so I'll just agree to disagree

 

[Max Payne]

fuck you

lol pretty sure some of my posts didn't make sense too, it being 6 in the fucking morning

 

[Alex]

Who the fuck plays Devil May Cry for the relationship angle? Fucking seriously people thats the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

 

[Max Payne]

Who the fuck plays Devil May Cry for the relationship angle? Fucking seriously people thats the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

No one really, at least they shouldn't. It's almost completely irrelevant cept for DMC4's little cliche love story.

The rest of the games, it just ain't there.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I played the Metal Gear games to see how many men were gay for Snake. I admit this proudly.

 

[Celes Chere]

I love you, Nin.

 

[Munatik]

I sure as shit don't play DMC for the romance, and there's no way you could say that the extent of Dante and Trish/Lady/Vergil/Nero's relationship really matters.

That said, in DMC4 Trish comes off as more like an associate/partner than anything else. Granted, there's respect there within Dante's facetious banter with her, but considering Dante's personality, I'd be skeptical of what he takes seriously.

Frankly, I think tying himself down would clash with his personality whether he's hung up with part of an Oedipus complex or not.

But for the sake of argument, just imagine for a moment that you meet someone who is nearly identical-looking to your parent of the opposite sex. Totally different people and personalities. Would you sincerely be able to get past their appearance?

I doubt it. Mostly because there is a genetic basis for subconsciously rejecting like genes, and that's to avoid genetic defects and weaknesses that are compounded through incest.

Unless Dante was severely fucked up--which we have no reason to believe--I would bet he restrained himself in Trish's case. Or at least, that's what I would like to think.

 

[Max Payne]

I played the Metal Gear games to see how many men were gay for Snake. I admit this proudly.

Everyone does that though. Snake is a god.

 

[Munatik]

Everyone's gay for Snake, imo.

 

[Alex]

Put on a gray bandana, and we'll have ourselves a pimpin' Solid Snake.

Relevant.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

Trish looks like his mom, but doesn't dress or act like her. Also, Dante was younger when his mom died, and now this figure, instead of being older than him when he sees her, is around his own age. That also counteracts the mom thing.
Also, with all of the things Dante has seen and forgiven and blah blah blah, I think he'd be more than capable of getting over that Trish looks similar to his mother. Especially after ten years.

 

[Max Payne]

Trish looks like his mom, but doesn't dress or act like her. Also, Dante was younger when his mom died, and now this figure, instead of being older than him when he sees her, is around his own age. That also counteracts the love thing.
Also, with all of the things Dante has seen and forgiven and blah blah blah, I think he'd be more than capable of getting over that Trish looks similar to his mother. Especially after ten years.

What exactly has Dante forgiven besides his brother before he met Trish?

And He might be able to get over her looking like his mom to see the person she is, that's still nowhere near indicative of a romance between the two.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

He forgave her for betraying him as well, which I don't think has anything to do with being his mother.

If he can get over how she looks like his mother to see how she is as a person, why couldn't he fall in love with the person he sees?

 

[Max Payne]

He forgave her for betraying him as well, which I don't think has anything to do with being his mother.

Before he met her he forgave her? And her appearance definately played a part in his sympathy for her. The fact that she proved that she was truly sorry also played a big role in him forgiving her. She looks like a kind face he's familiar with, that definitely helped him get past her seedy actions. He says this himself when he spares her life.

If he can get over how she looks like his mother to see how she is as a person, why couldn't he fall in love with the person he sees?

Because he didn't. There's no indication of them being in a relationship. They work together and are good friends. If they wanted us to think they were lovers they would have made that clear.

And Dante clearly is not the romantic kind of person.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

Not everything that dictates how he sees her has to be from BEFORE he met her.

I'm not saying that they are indefinitely together. I'm saying that the possibility is there and if they aren't together, I don't think it would be because of her appearance.

Besides, the way you're talking it's as if Dante doesn't hold the ability to love someone just because he isn't 'romantic.' He's human, too. Why can't he fall in love? Besides, Trish doesn't strike me as an overly romantic person either, really. Why couldn't they have a casual romance even?

 

[Max Payne]

Not everything that dictates how he sees her has to be from BEFORE he met her.

I asked you who Dante had forgiven besides his brother before he met her, and you said Trish.

I'm not saying that they are indefinitely together. I'm saying that the possibility is there and if they aren't together, I don't think it would be because of her appearance.

Her appearance would definitely play a part in it. He's already made a big decision to spare her life because of her appearance, why would he not factor that into a possibility of a relationship between the two of them? There's plenty of possibilities, Dante might be gay, a hermaphrodite, or a human pop sickle. But unless stated otherwise it's just fan shipping.

Besides, the way you're talking it's as if Dante doesn't hold the ability to love someone just because he isn't 'romantic.' He's human, too. Why can't he fall in love? Besides, Trish doesn't strike me as an overly romantic person either, really. Why couldn't they have a casual romance even?

No, that's not how I'm "talking" but Dante is clearly a laid back person who doesn't like to take things seriously. He's not the "write poems, make nice dinners, and give women foot massages" kind of guy. I don't see him doing anything that can be defined as romantic given his personality.

He can fall in love, but he obviously hasn't, and he doesn't have any romance with anyone. If he did, we wouldn't be debating this.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

I said Trish because I don't really get why before he met her even mattered.

It's true. He could be gay for all we know. Many girls would be pretty happy. Lol
But still, we don't know much of anything about him really. We don't see his personal life. So just as I can't completely say they are together, you can't really say they aren't. The games don't really go into it either way and people can decide what is and isn't based on how they see things.
But that doesn't change the fact that I don't believe her having a similar face to Eva would keep him from forming a romantic interest in her. My argument isn't that they are or aren't together, but merely that when he looks at her, I don't think he sees his mother at all.

My brother looks almost exactly like my dad did when he was that age. I do not see my dad when I look at my brother.
It's really, in the basic form, the same concept.


Edit:
Also, since when does being in love mean you have to spout sonnets?