Effeminate Characters

[Shademp]

Thanks for the entertainment guys, but it's only funny for so long. Whatever Mako said or didn't say, he clearly doesn't want to generalize the whole country.

I wonder how far this bishounen culture actually reaches to, say, underwear commercials and pop artists. I know Gackt is one of those androgynous dudes who are especially adored, but is he the exception or the norm of what is the ideal in Japan?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Eh, I can't really say. But there's also a significant number of women who like their men to be manly and hairy.

Cue, definition of bara

 

[Max Payne]

Because Japan DOES have a fondness of it, ngr. That's not a generalization, but fact. Bishounen is popular in Japan. Popular with EVERYONE? No. But still popular with a significant portion.

THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT STATEMENT IS A GENERALIZATION. That implies all of japan love bishounen. Many looking characters like Kenshiro, Rikki-Oh, Basch, and several others are hugely popular with a lot japanese females too.

Clearly you can't admit you generalized.

 

[Zee]

I don't get the effeminate thing either. Not the japanese cultural aspect, but the reason why so many women are drawn to men who look like women. Is it because they're less threatening? Perceived to be more sensitive? What is it?

I find it to be like Edward Cullen Syndrome -- women are obsessed with the concept of a man who doesn't exist. Bishy "men" are hairless, clean, strong, and their farts smell like roses. This is better than the harsh reality I thuppose.

 

[Max Payne]

I find it to be like Edward Cullen Syndrome -- women are obsessed with the concept of a man who doesn't exist. Bishy "men" are hairless, clean, strong, and their farts smell like roses. This is better than the harsh reality I thuppose.

reality is harsh indeed.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's not a generalization. It's a fact. You're gonna deny that the bishounen aesthetic is not popular with Japan, when we've got it going back all the way to the Heian age? Bullshit, dude. It is. It's been around for centuries and that's a testament to its popularity and how engrained it is in Japanese society.

Not everyone may like it, but a large portion of people do, hence it being around for so long. That's just the way it is.

 

[Isabella]

Dacon and Mako need to get a room.

I wonder how far this bishounen culture actually reaches to, say, underwear commercials and pop artists. I know Gackt is one of those androgynous dudes who are especially adored, but is he the exception or the norm of what is the ideal in Japan?

I wouldn't limit it to Japan, but I do wonder if it's a generational thing. My parents are always lamenting how girly Hollywood actors are today, compared to their era. I can't disagree. While all Hollywood actors may not be as androgynous as Gackt, they certainly lean toward the prettier side of things. Actors 50 years ago had a little more swagger.

I find it to be like Edward Cullen Syndrome -- women are obsessed with the concept of a man who doesn't exist. Bishy "men" are hairless, clean, strong, and their farts smell like roses. This is better than the harsh reality I thuppose.

True dat.

 

[Shademp]

It's like one of those Explosm comics when the man asks his woman "Did you just fart?". She denies and he says "Oh...I almost didn't love you there for a second."

Idealization is fail.

 

[Zee]

Dacon, Ken Dolls don't count.

 

[Max Payne]

That's not a generalization. It's a fact. You're gonna deny that the bishounen aesthetic is not popular with Japan, when we've got it going back all the way to the Heian age? Bullshit, dude. It is. It's been around for centuries and that's a testament to its popularity and how engrained it is in Japanese society.

Not everyone may like it, but a large portion of people do, hence it being around for so long. That's just the way it is.

Idiot, you're clearly not paying attention. Your statement implies all of japan likes it, when that's not true. Just admit you fucked up in your statement, and failed to properly convey your meaning. When you say "Japan loves this" you're saying all of Japan does.

That's like saying all of america is fat, because a lot of them are. Guro is popular in Japan, does that mean Japan loves Guro too?

Zee, that doll moves, walks and talks, so I'd say he counts

 

[Makoeyes987]

No, it really doesn't. The United States loves baseball, but not everyone loves it. Quit pigeonholing my words, plz.

So I guess its completely impossible to convey ownership of a country or speak of a countries norms and traditions because NOT EVERYONE in that country may do it. That makes no damn sense.

 

[Max Payne]

That's fucking stupid. "Japan" represents the entire population of the nation, not some certain population of it. It doesn't work that way and you goddamn know it doesn't. That's why people use specifiers like , some black people love chicken, instead of saying black people love chicken and offending a shitload of people because of the generalization.

You can't say Japan loves something, then turn around and say "I didn't mean all of Japan". That's retarded.
There's a sizeable portion of the Japanese who do not like bishounen that much, and you ignore that when you say that Japan loves bishounen. Hell you're even saying the men love it.

American women love girly boys over here, have since long before Japan showed us their shit. That doesn't mean America loves girly boys.

 

[Cthulhu]

You fuckers need to stfu and gtfo, posthaste with your pointless bickering.

All Americans are fat, all niggers are black, all Japs love bishies because they've never seen me, and there are no women on the internet.

 

[Makoeyes987]

So I guess when they say China is a Communist country that means every single inhabitant of the nation identifies and believes in the Communist doctrine.

A specifier can be omitted when you expect someone to exercise common sense and not take your words literally to the point they're out of context.

 

[Max Payne]

You fuckers need to stfu and gtfo, posthaste with your pointless bickering.

All Americans are fat, all niggers are black, all Japs love bishies because they've never seen me, and there are no women on the internet.

Gb2your hole tentacle fag.

 

[Max Payne]

So I guess when they say China is a Communist country that means every single inhabitant of the nation identifies and believes in the Communist doctrine.

A specifier can be omitted when you expect someone to exercise common sense and not take your words literally to the point they're out of context.

Bullshit, now you're trying to play the common sense card? You really are full of yourself kid.

When you say a country loves something, you're implicating the majority of the entire population. Not just a certain sect.

You're an arrogant one Mr. Fanboy.

 

[Tetsujin]

No really, you need to shut the fuck up now.

 

[Munky]

I find it to be like Edward Cullen Syndrome -- women are obsessed with the concept of a man who doesn't exist. Bishy "men" are hairless, clean, strong, and their farts smell like roses. This is better than the harsh reality I thuppose.

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there. We have a fantasy about who and what our perfect man/woman/tentacle monster is, and reality is often quite far removed from that fantasy. Like I said earlier, I love the pretty-boy look, the ambiguous gender, the flawless skin, wide eyes and pouty lips but in reality? I'd hate that fucker. And Dacon's right - the eyes would be freaky as hell!

Mako Eyes is also right - this isn't anything new. The looks have changed, the priorities have changed and the terminology has changed, but Mr Darcy was the 'bishie' of his day.

Effeminacy is a current fashion trend whether it's here, there or anywhere, it just so happens that Japan - as with many things - did it first and better than anywhere else.

 

[Max Payne]

Effeminacy is a current fashion trend whether it's here, there or anywhere, it just so happens that Japan - as with many things - did it first and better than anywhere else.

It's not even current, shit's been around forever. Even before Japan was popularized among the younger folks in america, there's been women over here who loved girly looking men.

Remember all of the old bands full of long haired skinny men with effeminate faces? A lot of American women were in love with that shit.

No really, you need to shut the fuck up now.

No, you just make me want to keep going with shit like that. stuff it.

 

[Munky]

It's not even current, shit's been around forever. Even before Japan was popularized among the younger folks in america, there's been women over here who loved girly looking men.

Remember all of the old bands full of long haired skinny men with effeminate faces? A lot of American women were in love with that shit.

I was just about to edit to retract my final statement and say that this man:

Spoiler

did it first. And better than anyone! XD

 

[Max Payne]

A lot of american people have been on this shit for a long time too. Even Johnny depp has been down that road.

ohlolz,

double posting but this thread is hilarious http://www.menshealth.co.uk/chatroom/topic/347731

topic is, "Why are men going all feminine"

 

[Munky]

It's funny how a girly-looking man has a more universal appeal than a manly-looking woman. Girly-boys are nice, non-threatening males; straight girls and gay men want to do them, gay girls want to be them and straight guys can even give them the once over with a speculative eye without feeling like they're compromising their masculinity. (Generalisations ahoy!)

Put some eyeliner on Johnny Depp, stick him in a movie about a morally-ambiguous pirate (who - in my mind - is a complete sexual deviant) and you've got a winner on your hands.

Take a slightly masculine looking woman with an unfortunate facial hair problem - hey, it happens! hormones have a weird sense of humour - and you've got the butt of jokes.

 

[Masamune]

It's about rebelling against the male stereotype. Like the hair-bands from the 80s, and Visual Kei. I'm sure women found it attractive because they were breaking away from the status quo and making their own stand.

 

[Max Payne]

It's funny how a girly-looking man has a more universal appeal than a manly-looking woman. Girly-boys are nice, non-threatening males; straight girls and gay men want to do them, gay girls want to be them and straight guys can even give them the once over with a speculative eye without feeling like they're compromising their masculinity. (Generalisations ahoy!)

Put some eyeliner on Johnny Depp, stick him in a movie about a morally-ambiguous pirate (who - in my mind - is a complete sexual deviant) and you've got a winner on your hands.

Take a slightly masculine looking woman with an unfortunate facial hair problem - hey, it happens! hormones have a weird sense of humour - and you've got the butt of jokes.

I for one love athletic looking women(not MANAZONS).

I'm glad johnny depp changed his image though, he looks so awesome with facial hair.

 

[Channy]

It's funny how a girly-looking man has a more universal appeal than a manly-looking woman.

Manly-looking women, otherwise known as the Butchus Lesbionus, well we try to keep those hidden as best as we can.

Also, MakoxDacon has provided much lulz.. basically because they can continue on without consequence. If they were regular members, they'd get warned or banned. If one was a member and the other a mod, the member would get banned. Maybe they should just ban each other and run off to the fields to relive each other's pent up sexual frustration.