Faith v. 3.0 (Cloti Club)

[Final_Heaven]

It's funny because I deleted the post you're responding too. You're probably right, but for the moment I still have trouble imagining the poor dolt doing the do. Jessie giving him a little peck on the cheek was enough to make him go catatonic, right now I feel like it'd be a stupid comedy show and Cloud would actually pass out the second Tifa took off her shirt.

To be fair, he's building that experience up for the Highwind scene in Part 4.

He experienced his first kiss with Jessie

He nutted for the first time with Madam M's handjob.

He held hands with Tifa and pulled Tifa into an embrace feeling her boobs against his chest.

Clearly, we got a sex arc going here for Mr. Strife that will continue into Part 2,3 and 4.

Maybe he'll get his first kiss on the lips in Part 2.

Maybe somebody blows him in Part 3 and he watches a porno to study it intently.

I'm sure they have a decent amount of experimental wild fun sex.

But anyone in a long term relationship, or has sex regularly has that... default sex that's just there to functions for rubbing one out, ya know?

No doubt Cloud/Tifa fuck in the way I can only imagine two professional wrestlers are able to perform. They definitely also have boring fucks as well.

My s/o is so disappointed in me taking the time to talk about this rn

(actually he says he's indifferent, I am disappointed in myself )

I just wanna share his take cus it's funny: amy schumer broke up with dolph ziggler because the sex was too athletic, point proven

(idk what that has to do with anything but it made me laugh so it's there)

All I know is that Tifa and Cloud had exciting sex their first time. They did it outside and there's no way that they did it missionary. They were definitely standing up and Tifa turned around with her arms holding herself up on the rock while Cloud was railing her from behind.


She ships Aerith x Cloud but I agree with her opinion:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265589037051584512

Whatever sex they had wasn't awkward or bad

 

[DutchDread]

All I know is that Tifa and Cloud had exciting sex their first time. They did it outside and there's no way that they did it missionary. They were definitely standing up and Tifa turned around with her arms holding herself up on the rock while Cloud was railing her from behind.

Yeah I believe this is canon right?

 

[Cat on Mars]

I'm sure they have a decent amount of experimental wild fun sex.

But anyone in a long term relationship, or has sex regularly has that... default sex that's just there to functions for rubbing one out, ya know?

That's what masturbation is for, if you have sex it better be fun and energetic.
So I'm afraid my answer is "no".
Should I be concerned? D:

Agreed, not to mention how much they've been desiring each other and for how long.
If you spend that much time bottling up your desire for someone, and then get to unleash it.....it's never boring. When I think of Tifa and Cloud having sex, the term "like animals" is the first thing that comes to mind.

See, you get it. I knew I liked you for a reason.

Yeah I believe this is canon right?

Also, no way. When I said she was going to ride him, I meant it. That's the only way she's going to get good sex out of Cloud.

 

[Final_Heaven]

Yeah I believe this is canon right?

That's what masturbation is for, if you have sex it better be fun and energetic.
So I'm afraid my answer is "no".
Should I be concerned? D:



See, you get it. I knew I liked you for a reason.

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Also, no way. When I said she was going to ride him, I meant it. That's the only way she's going to get good sex out of Cloud.

I mean laying down seems pretty uncomfortable so there's not another position they could do besides Cloud holding her up in his arms which is plausible since Cloud already said in Remake that she's really light.

And unused text for the Highwind scene heavily implies that Tifa did not top and that Cloud was covering her with his body.

Unused text:

Tifa: Why didn’t you call us?

Red XIII: It looked like you were enjoying yourselves.

Cid: Cloud’s back was saying to me, “don’t interrupt, don’t interrupt!”

I mean..... I guess they could switch positions though.

 

[looneymoon]

idk I think a mix of boring and exciting sex is perfectly normal and healthy I dunno of anyone who's always doing freaky aerobics (or whatever else) every single time. I think concern is more for those in depressingly sexless sad times, which to me is more in line with what C/T are during the Advent Children period.

 

[Master Bates]

See, this is why Cloti gets the reputation of being sex-craved shippers.

But then Clerith also had the 'spirit sex' exhibit so I don't know anymore.

 

[Final_Heaven]

Cloud is a sad dumb boy who has put all his life ambitions into impressing a girl. I can't imagine any normal girl being able to handle his weird baggage, even if it was another Aerith/Jessie type.

Though the idea of creating a new love interest who fan girls his "earned" heroic persona would definitely be an interesting angle if someone was able to tackle it well.

He might guiltily think of Aerith every now and again when he and Tifa are having boring marital sex, but even then it'd probably send him down a guilt-ridden, existential spiral.

See, that's where I disagree with (seemingly) half the fandom or so. I think sex with a martial artist is going to be everything but boring, even going by things like her flexibility and stamina alone. She's going to ride him like a chocobo.
And Cloud is dumb. That is known. But he can learn... or at least, Tifa seems able to teach him. So I dunno, they're oddly compatible even if they're very vanilla.
Vanilla doesn't mean boring, anyway. It irks me when I see lots of fanarts of them in missionary position. What the hell? Why aren't Tifa's feet on both's sides of Cloud's head? Do people know what passionate vanilla sex does look like?
Do people have sex at all nowadays?



Thank you! It will be fun! At least, Aerith is going to have lots of fun, I tell you.



To be honest, I had a hard time seeing them together when the Compilation was rolling out so I entertained myself with crackships (Tifa and Zack was my favourite pairing during that time out of sheer wackiness, I still have some stories to do with them).
But now, with all the skinship Tifa and Cloud are having in the Remake, it feels natural. For me, it will be weird if they don't have sex in the Remake, because the sexual tension is clearly there. So by the moment there is a exchange of feelings between them, they're going to exchange fluids too.

Let's be honest. Both Tifa and Cloud act like super-virgins and Tifa's the only woman in the game that I can believe would be in a switch role with Cloud because every other woman would just dom Cloud without mercy. They'll get to that kinky stuff eventually though

Also, I agree. They didn't do a good job of this in Advent Children (but you can head-canon that sex isn't as exciting as it used to be for them) but the sexual tension between Cloud and Tifa is palpable.

Like yeah, Aerith definitely has romantic tension with Cloud like Tifa.

Aerith does not have sexual tension with Cloud though. I can't imagine them boning.

I can imagine Cloud and Tifa tearing each other's clothes off to get down and dirty despite Tifa's usual meekness. You can just sense it whenever they're in a room alone together that Tifa wants to Dolphin Blow Cloud and Cloud wants to break Tifa open with his Buster Sword.

 

[Cat on Mars]

This conversation pleases me. The euphemisms around sex, not so much (Dolphin Blow? Buster Sword? C'mon). I assume we're all adults here, let's call a spade a spade and not a Buster Sword.

I mean laying down seems pretty uncomfortable so there's not another position they could do besides Cloud holding her up in his arms which is plausible since Cloud already said in Remake that she's really light.

And unused text for the Highwind scene heavily implies that Tifa did not top and that Cloud was covering her with his body.

Unused text:

Tifa: Why didn’t you call us?

Red XIII: It looked like you were enjoying yourselves.

Cid: Cloud’s back was saying to me, “don’t interrupt, don’t interrupt!”

I mean..... I guess they could switch positions though.

Thanks for providing the source, I didn't remind that bit.
I'm sure they switched positions, and you know, what are some srapped knees or elbows if that means better sex?

idk I think a mix of boring and exciting sex is perfectly normal and healthy I dunno of anyone who's always doing freaky aerobics (or whatever else) every single time. I think concern is more for those in depressingly sexless sad times, which to me is more in line with what C/T are during the Advent Children period.

Oh, okay. I don't think what you described is out of the ordinary, it's just that "boring" is just the kind of sex I avoid (like when everybody is tired and stuff). I like it enthusiastic, nothing too crazy, but enthusiasm is a must. Why do even have sex if you're too tired to get in the mood? That's just frustrating.
That's the part I'll never get about other people's sex lives.

@Master Bates
I always picture it like this:

 

[Final_Heaven]

See, this is why Cloti gets the reputation of being sex-craved shippers.

But then Clerith also had the 'spirit sex' exhibit so I don't know anymore.

Physical intimacy is the Cloti way.

Our Game of Thrones House Words are "Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel"

The hell is the spirit sex exhibit?

The closest thing to sexual release that Aerith x Cloud is ever going to get is Cloud calling out Aerith's name while Tifa rides him.

 

[DutchDread]

To be fair, the predictions I've made based on narrative have generally been correct as well. I used to complain a lot about Naruto/Sakura being quite possibly the dumbest ship in history when it comes to narrative. (And narratively, like I said, only Tifa works).

Maybe I am too on edge, it's just that before the remake I hoped and believed it would be amazing, but I was mentally prepared for it to at worst be bad, which would be unfortunate, but we'd at least have the original as canon. But after the remake I feel like I need to mentally prepare for it to at worst literally undo the original, and at best, not screw up the original :S


There are a lot of small things though that they kept almost unreasonably similar to the OG when really they didn't need to, so that gives me some hope that if they care about small details being the same like that, hopefully they'll try not to change the big things too much.

I've spent some time thinking about why they felt they needed the ability to change things. And one of the things I came up with was that it wasn't to change the story, but to change some things that simply needed to be changed in the new modern format.


An example of that can be seen with Barrett near the end of the game. I really feel like one of the biggest reasons that he

Spoiler: REMAKE

gets stabbed by sephiroth

was to take him out of the game temporarily. Up until then, when there were 4 members in your team, they were mostly able to justify it by for instance splitting up the party like in Hojos lab. But having him not fight Jenova makes no sense. And in the whisper fight afterwards they also go out of their way to give him something to do.

I posit that Midgar, by it's very nature, was more doable as a 1-on-1 remake than the rest of the game. We see that a lot of choices, like giving Tifa the flower, have been removed because of the story implications. In the OG, different routes etc just requires a bit more text, now it requires animation and voice acting.
How is all that supposed to happen when we have a full party of people? Do we just select three and have interchangeable lines? In that case you can't make properly flowing dialogue.
As soon as you leave Midgar in the OG you are forced to choose how to split the party until kalm, how are you supposed to do that in the remake? It wouldn't work.

What I hope most is that the whole destiny thing will mostly be used to just loosely tell the same story, So now they do go as a group, and Vincent and Yuffie aren't optional, and they're all given very specific things to do, probably as multiple groups when in the original you just had the one party of 3 that you selected.

(still kind of hope to be able to switch party members during combat, like in FFX, though)

 

[looneymoon]

I can imagine Cloud/Aerith boning, but the thought is admittedly not as interesting as C/T because I could more easily see it going the way of Amy Schumer/Dolph Ziggler. Though, I'm sure it'd be fine and sweet and all.

Also, as horny as C/T are, they are super virgins about it. No one can convince me that Aerith was a virgin by the time she died. Remake confirms that Zack and her had some decent privacy under that bear slide. If Crisis Core proved anything, it's that Zack is definitely a better lay than Cloud.

I feel like every time this thread flares back up in activity I find a way to derail it and I am truly sorry.

 

[Cat on Mars]

Aerith does not have sexual tension with Cloud though. I can't imagine them boning.

Uh, same here. I just... can't picture it.
And I've drawn an unholy amount of porn.

Aerith and Tseng, yes.
Aerith and Cloud? No way, I don't really see it. Aerith being a tease, sure. Cloud doing something about it... no. He would just lay there like a very confused starfish.

The closest thing to sexual release that Aerith x Cloud is ever going to get is Cloud calling out Aerith's name while Tifa rides him.

That made me lol.

"Aerith! Please save me!"
"There's no Aerith, Cloud. Just me riding you like a chocobo until you beg for mercy."
*Aerith laughs like a maniac in the lifestream and gives Tifa two thumbs up*

 

[Master Bates]

The hell is the spirit sex exhibit?

An ancient Clerith fanfic. I think it's best for you not to know. It ties closely to the... very special Clerith interpretation of the word "meet" (e.g. "I want to meet you", "I can meet here there"), and Cloud frolicking in flower fields.

But then again, I honestly don't think it was worse than "Cloud mows the lawn", an equally ancient Cloti abomination fic.

Shipping is so weird.

 

[Cat on Mars]

If Crisis Core proved anything, it's that Zack is definitely a better lay than Cloud..

I'm not going to argue that. Zack is all enthusiasm, I dig that.

An ancient Clerith fanfic. I think it's best for you not to know. It ties closely to the... very special Clerith interpretation of the word "meet" (e.g. "I want to meet you", "I can meet here there"), and Cloud frolicking in flower fields.

But then again, I honestly don't think it was worse than "Cloud mows the lawn", an equally ancient Cloti abomination fic.

That Clerith fic was WORSE because it was serious, "Cloud mows the lawn" is just pure scat fetish. Fetishes are weird by definition.

 

[DutchDread]

The closest thing to sexual release that Aerith x Cloud is ever going to get is Cloud calling out Aerith's name while Tifa rides him.

haha, wow, the fallout.

If Crisis Core proved anything, it's that Zack is definitely a better lay than Cloud.

I wouldn't be so sure, I don't know about men, but when it comes to women, I've generally noticed appearances can be deceiving.

 

[Master Bates]

That Clerith fic was WORSE because it was serious, "Cloud mows the lawn" is just pure scat fetish. Fetishes are weird by definition.

Actually, you may have a point there.

For what it's worth, "Cloud mows the lawn" can be categorized as "so bad, it's so good" it was somehow entertaining and inspired dramatic readings and parodies. Its tone also suggests it wasn't as serious as it seems, that, and it also has sequels. It's a masterpiece that deserves to be preserved for posterity.

But you can also argue the Clerith spirit sex as some sort of fetish for [name of fanfic author withheld], hence, it was weird. The only thing holding it back from greatness, imo, is at how serious it took itself.

 

[Cat on Mars]

The Clerith spirit sex fic is just your typical "a virgin tries to write a sex scene and it's alluring as banana bread" fic, no fetishes here, not even a defloration fetish because Aerith removed her hymen for the very specific purpose of make penetration easier (what do people think hymens are, anyway?).
I agree that it would have been great in a "so bad it's good" way if it wasn't written in all seriousness and trying to rationalize every step of something as mundane as sex. Sex is about the dirty, sweaty, wet stuff, it's not clean and pure.
I have no idea what that guy was trying to depict, but sure as hell wasn't "sex".

 

[looneymoon]

I remember when a bunch of TLS members did a live reading of Cloud Mows the Lawn over Skype. It was glorious.

The other C/A fic I don't remember at all, probably due to the lack of entertainment value? I mean, The Room's entertainment value hinges on it being entirely sincere, but I doubt very much this fan fic was that.

Anyways. Would kill for a shower.

 

[Master Bates]

I remember when a bunch of TLS members did a live reading of Cloud Mows the Lawn over Skype. It was glorious.

The other C/A fic I don't remember at all, probably due to the lack of entertainment value? I mean, The Room's entertainment value hinges on it being entirely sincere, but I doubt very much this fan fic was that.

Anyways. Would kill for a shower.

It's old so I forgot what the exact title of that fic is, but it sounds like "Spirit Lover"? Or something like that. I don't really want to name the fanfic author because he's a well-known member of what is known as the "Church of Pink" (believe me, I don't want to use this to associate anyone with, but I had to if I'm to give a clue). He had the reputation of creating bot accounts to boost Clerith numbers in forums polls and I believe he once joined TLS forums as well.

The name he's come to be known of in the fandom consists of two words; the first word starts with an S, then an H, then an R, and then a few letters. The second word starts with an L and ends with a T. If you've been following the LTD for years, I believe you can figure out the rest.

 

[Cat on Mars]

For teh record, I haven't played the Remake yet but I've spoilered it for myself bit by bit.

I'd wager that the story in chapter 2 is going to have a strong start with the flashback. No trip to Kalm, the party is already there and stuff. No sense in making your party wander around without reason, that would be the weakest beginning possible.
They'll change the story in little ways. They'll leave out some contents and replace others with new events.

What I hope most is that the whole destiny thing will mostly be used to just loosely tell the same story, So now they do go as a group, and Vincent and Yuffie aren't optional, and they're all given very specific things to do, probably as multiple groups when in the original you just had the one party of 3 that you selected.

Yep. They're not going to take a big risk, just small ones, so expect roughly the same story but with some new stuff. I mean, in the OG Aerith's childhood wasn't explored as it was in the Remake; just wait to see what they do with Nibelheim this time. It has potential and I'm optimistic enough after the ending of Part 1. The changes aren't really amounting to much, all that brouhaha about fate and whatever was a big nothingburger because the end of the chapter was clear as water.
I expect some surprises but so far the surprises have been reasonable and in the "safe" side of things.

 

[Final_Heaven]

I like to think that Cloud sometimes cross-dresses when he has sex with Tifa. That's his real kink.

 

[Cat on Mars]

It's old so I forgot what the exact title of that fic is, but it sounds like "Spirit Lover"? Or something like that. I don't really want to name the fanfic author because he's a well-known member of what is known as the "Church of Pink" (believe me, I don't want to use this to associate anyone with, but I had to if I'm to give a clue). He had the reputation of creating bot accounts to boost Clerith numbers in forums polls and I believe he once joined TLS forums as well.

The name he's come to be known of in the fandom consists of two words; the first word starts with an S, then an H, then an R, and then a few letters. The second word starts with an L and ends with a T. If you've been following the LTD for years, I believe you can figure out the rest.

WHAT.
I can't remember his name and your riddles aren't helping.

I like to think that Cloud sometimes cross-dresses when he has sex with Tifa. That's his real kink.

It's been beaten to death in doujin, it's overused and even if some people are into crossdressers, Tifa doesn't strike me as the type because it would be "too weird" for her. Aerith will be soaking wet, mind you (if her reaction during the dance scene with Andrea is something to go by, but Cloud hated every second of it).
Unless you want to argue that Cloud has an humillation fetish so crossdressing/forced feminization/sissyfication will be right up his alley, but that's just personal preferences at play. Nothing supports this theory in canon.

Cloud is too boring to have such fetishes, imho. I think he has a legs fetish and that's all, just because even at thirteen, Tifa had legs for days and Cloud remembers that very clearly.

 

[Graymouse]

Oh, it will be both for sure! If you try to cover two fronts you end up covering none, that's some Art of war 101 but Adolf didn't get the memo so Cherith shippers will repeat the same mistake. And you know, the Siegfried line was commissioned to private entreprises at first (that would be something like that Pepsi cup, a third party creating what they see fit and shippers using it anyway because they need anything to build their line) so I expect it to be a laughingstock.
I may need to buy popcorn.

If anyone has actually used that cup as evidence un-ironically I would be so happy lol.

They Have. Look below. I did some research for the war effort of course.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265571814853554178

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265934138814668805

This one is great, Completely miss the whole idea behind Aerith's choker necklace

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265028254630580224

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264575261665824769

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264348750622982144

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264273398546550785

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264212854103838728

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264167706833584128

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263729627371110401

Does Cloud have a resolution with Aerith? That's interesting. Last time I checked there were only 3 scenes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1261585479893504002

It is good that this person is compassionate about her pairing.

Edited to add: I know it is a BOT. What is being passed as "proof" is interesting enough and worthy of posting.

 

[iamhorde]

For someone who hasn't played the Remake, your predictions are on point.

Kitase confirmed that the story beats will remain largely the same and Nojima wanted Remake to be the culmination of the entire FF7 Compilation (source). Based on what the devs are aiming for, I'd say the introduction of multiple timelines is a questionable but pretty effective way to introduce characters from CC and other properties without remaking every single property.

Well, I might be a bit cynical, that media has hurt me too many times, but this is also one thing I have a nagging fear about.

I am afraid that this whole multiple timeline business is once again a way to try and placate everyone. We have the OG timeline where Cloti happens.
Then we have a timeline where Zack survives (and obviously Zack/Aerith, Cloud/Tifa happens), and then we have the remake timeline where Cloud/Aerith happens.

I get that nagging fear too. Maybe I'm optimistic but after seeing all the effort and details they've placed in Remake Part 1 to flesh out Cloud and Tifa's relationships with each other, I'd like to think that this is a calculated move and a retcon of sorts of the original to pave the way for the Compilation story to shine. It's true that Cloud did not profess any feelings towards either of the heroines and technically he isn't the real Cloud just yet, but SE did put in a lot of effort to build up Cloud and Tifa's relationship that even non shippers would be able to tell there might be something going on there.

On my first play through, it felt like Aerith was mainly focused on deciphering what's happening with the whispers and hiding certain premonitions.

Cloud was primarily focused on getting paid and eventually Sephiroth with a lot of apparent concern for Tifa throughout.

Tifa on the other hand was very clearly depicted as someone who really cared for Cloud from the very start.

If I didn't play the OG, I'd would't have thought that there's something more with Cloud and Aerith. In the Remake, they were flirty at best but there was a lot more depth between Cloud and Tifa.

 

[minami758]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265571814853554178

“The magazines are next to each other therefore canon.” Fuck me does this mean AerTi is canon too?? I’m in.

On the topic of spirit sex, I remember seeing arguments that the metaphorical reason why Cloud is sad and angsty when Aerith dies is because Sephiroth “penetrated” her before Cloud got the chance to.