FFVII Character Details, Easter Eggs, and General What-the-fuckery

[Makoeyes987]

It's Reno's salt.

He's mad that he's lost to the dude he spent the past several minutes talking smack to, and he's justifying the loss to himself by attributing it to "beginner's luck."

He's essentially a poor sport. It's like losing a competitive match you think you'd have in the bag and instead, you got trounced. So you justify the loss in your head as having been a result of "luck" instead of the opponent just being good or better than you. It's like self comfort.

Compare it to Rude who didn't talk nearly as much shit, when he got overpowered. He just simply said "Okay then" and steadied himself for more. Rude doesn't underestimate or disrespect those he fights, he treats them seriously.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I guess it's possible, but it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Reno to mock the notion that Cloud is "Mr. SOLDIER" or to be surprised that he could lose to a SOLDIER at any rank if they got some hits in.

If he knows nothing about the guy, why take that "Whatcha waitin' for, bodyguard?" approach at all? Dude could be lethal af -- and was.

 

[Makoeyes987]

But Reno doesn't want to believe Cloud's a SOLDIER or anybody, let alone a 1st class. xD

There's obviously a huge grudge, particularly on Reno's side, between these two dudes. To Reno, Cloud's some scrub, and he was especially wanting to show off how much of a badass he was to Aerith. Cloud's pride was insulted and Cloud wanted to really shut his mouth and teach him a lesson after he kept dancing on his sword and calling him out.

Simply put, Cloud embarrassed him in front of Aerith and the remaining troops Cloud didn't fold/kill in that church. And Reno doesn't want to believe he was clowned and nearly killed by some dude he spent like 10 minutes calling a chump. Reno's got Turk pride, and he thinks he's elite.

 

[kathy202]

I assumed "beginner's luck" was just Reno being salty too. Though it's not impossible that they actually know about Cloud.

Anyway, I found it amusing how they were both acting like 9 year olds and Aerith is like the slightly older babysitter going "okay kids, enough is enough? Please??" I just love that whole scene.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

There's obviously a huge grudge, particularly on Reno's side, between these two dudes. To Reno, Cloud's some scrub, and he was especially wanting to show off how much of a badass he was to Aerith. Cloud's pride was insulted and Cloud wanted to really shut his mouth and teach him a lesson after he kept dancing on his sword and calling him out.

Simply put, Cloud embarrassed him in front of Aerith and the remaining troops Cloud didn't fold/kill in that church. And Reno doesn't want to believe he was clowned and nearly killed by some dude he spent like 10 minutes calling a chump. Reno's got Turk pride, and he thinks he's elite.

But he's mocking him before that.

We'll just have to wait and see where they go with it, I guess.

 

[Clement Rage]

If he knew who he was, 'beginner's luck' is a weird thing to say, as he's talking to the dude that killed Sephiroth and was experimented on by Hojo for years. He'd attribute his skills to Hojo or be 'maybe Nibelheim wasn't such a fluke after all.'

As I see it, the thought process is, 'huh, guys got Mako eyes, but I don't know him. That's weird. Lol, he said he's a first, but he can't possibly back that up, must be some scrub with delusions who got too close to a mako pipe -oh shit, he kicked the crap out of me. I'll attribute that to luck, as otherwise I have to admit he's straight up better than me'

 

[Odysseus]

Does anybody know the japanese text on the Moogle's headband from the choco mog summon? I need it for a drawing.

 

[Shademp]

必殺技
"Deathblow"

Interestingly the headband only has two kanji in the concept art version (see page 547 of the FF7 Ultimania Omega). I can't tell for certain what it says.
登場? 登塲? Some kanji similar to those at least.

 

[Odysseus]

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必殺技
"Deathblow"

Interestingly the headband only has two kanji in the concept art version (see page 547 of the FF7 Ultimania Omega). I can't tell for certain what it says.
登場? Some kanji similar to those at least.

thanks!

 

[Cloud XVII]

Ah so that's why the materia's move is called Deathblow

 

[JBedford]

Interestingly the headband only has two kanji in the concept art version (see page 547 of the FF7 Ultimania Omega). I can't tell for certain what it says.
登場? 登塲? Some kanji similar to those at least.

It says "神風" -- Kamikaze.

This is pointed out on p.102 in volume 2 of the Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania/Final Fantasy Ultimania Archive.

Makes sense. The Materia is Wind elemental.

 

[Odysseus]

I wonder if they removed the text in the remake because it was too reminiscent of kamikaze piolets? I saw somebody speculating about that before.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I wonder if they removed the text in the remake because it was too reminiscent of kamikaze piolets? I saw somebody speculating about that before.

If it was removed for that reason (not unlikely), it was done for the original game. The lack of the "Deathblow" kanji for the remake version of the summon shouldn't be related to that.

 

[Odysseus]

If it was removed for that reason (not unlikely), it was done for the original game. The lack of the "Deathblow" kanji for the remake version of the summon shouldn't be related to that.

I probably should have phrased better. I know it doesn't say Kamikaze in the OG either, I'm saying they removed the text altogether in the remake because it was still too easy to draw that connection. Maybe. I dunno. They kept text on the shock troops and the hard edge so I figure there must be a reason they removed it from the moogle.

 

[Shademp]

I have no memory of paying this much attention to the Kalm pub TV before. Though I'm surely not the first to notice that it is using background graphics from other parts of the game.

Spoiler: Large snapshot

Spoiler: Source compared to TV

No matter when you visit the pub these same three images flicker on and off. Fire effects not present in the source image were added for effect since the news is supposed to be about the recent disasters.

 

[Shademp]

The relation in the second line is the blue background with a gradient that goes from light to dark, top to bottom. The dark blue banner on the lower left could also be a remnant from the original newscast image.

The blue background could of course have been made on its own for the Kalm pub TV. There certainly are many differences, like the replaced newscaster, the omission of the reactor explosion photo and the lack of the "SIN" text . But on the other hand it's also still possible that the Kalm pub image is derived from the original newscaster template.

 

[Ite]

Love the detail that the newscaster changed, since, you know,



Great sleuthing, Shademp!

 

[Shademp]

Love the detail that the newscaster changed, since, you know,

Woah, you just blew my mind! I did not consider the implied fate of the newscaster in this context.

 

[Elkazor]

The smiling and waving ghosts at the Haunted Hotel in the Gold Saucer are always nice to see.

 

[Elkazor]

Oh, and also, anyone else use Boomerangs as their primary throw weapon? I don't see anyone mention this, but if you throw the Boomerang weapon it actually hits the enemy twice, once going out, and another coming back since, y'know, it's a Boomerang and all that. I think bc it hits the enemy twice the damage dealt is actually double the damage of the weapon.

 

[cold_spirit]

You piqued my interest so I investigated this. It can be difficult to see, but throwing a Boomerang does have a unique animation where it returns to the user!

However, from my brief testing, the damage was about the same as throwing Yuffie's 4-Point Shuriken. And despite it returning to you, you still lose it from your inventory.

A neat detail regardless!

 

[Elkazor]

Ah yea, I see. I always use Boomerangs as my primary throwing weapon bc I figured it was designed for the Throw materia thanks to its unique animation (and the fact that you steal them from the enemies in the forest where Yuffie can first be found, and that Yuffie comes equipped with Throw materia). I knew that you lost them after throwing them still, but I was always curious about the damage scaling compared to other throw weapons. I guess its still about the same but its cool that they added that unique double hit animation.

 

[Elkazor]

I decided to upload the unique boomerang animation to my YouTube channel for the sake of documentation.

 

[ForceStealer]

Huh, that's cool. I basically never use Throw.

And despite it returning to you, you still lose it from your inventory.

Well that's annoying

 

[Elkazor]

... OK, wow, I was just browsing YouTube when I found this video! This is really interesting.