SPOILERS FFVII:R Chapter 14 Spoiler Discussion

[Lex]

I got Tifa's scene in this chapter but I was also nice to Aerith throughout my run so I don't know what specifically put her ahead. I think we're going to have to wait for a proper breakdown in an ultimania or something to know for sure what choices affect what outcomes.

 

[Eerie]

I know that somewhere, Theozilla posted a link towards a breakdown of choices and how they affect the affection system, although it's still not perfect and there are questions.... I'm looking for it, I wanted to save the damn link, but I saw it on my phone earlier, argh!

Edit: I'm an idiot it was on the previous page! Courtesy of Theozilla, here's a guide for the romance system or at least most of it.

 

[Odysseus]

Alright, got myself through all the Colosseum fights. Guess more unlock later?

 

[billy22]

This is what RPG Site says on the matter so far: https://www.rpgsite.net/feature/964...he-bomb-timer-every-resolution-scene-and-more

I've read that, I was wondering if there was something more concrete on it though. Some of that is speculation. I guess I will just have to wait for more information on the subject.

 

[Odysseus]

Behemoth-0 was a pretty rad optional boss! It wasn't quite the optional super boss that I thought it would be, but it was still pretty fun. If the old Deepground lore is still canon, you gotta wonder if the Tsviets trained by fighting things like that.

Also, that doctor needed the horn for his medicine, and he was just going to ask Aerith to go get it for him all by herself...?

 

[Odysseus]

The only quest I haven't finished as far as I can tell is the "Don Corneo's secret sewer rooms" quest, but I'm running around the sewer and I can't find anything besides the plot relevant stuff.

It was at the collapsed expressway, not the sewer.

No wait I'm still missing something apparently, what the heck

okay, it WAS in the sewers, just in a spot you have to back track to instead of doing the logical thing and keeping going forward. I actually flipped that stupid lever without realizing what it did. OOPS. I'm glad you could join me for this outing, friends.

 

[Misterbadguy]

Just went back via chapter select and cleared the pull-ups and Whack-a-Box trophies. The former I found disproportionately hard because I'm not fantastic with that kind of tactile pattern recognition, but I got there after about a half hour. Whack-a-Box on the other hand is trivial by comparison - stick Deadly Dodge on and you've basically won already.

 

[ForceStealer]

Dammit! Lol

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I am so bored by all these endless quests and minigames.

 

[ForceStealer]

I love'em. Inject it into my veins. FF has been sorely missing this.

And the sidequests, give me all the good opportunities to interact with the people of the slums and Midgar, without being the interminable XV sidequest list, lol

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I am honestly really happy for all the fans who are enjoying these sidequests, but I'm just not. They feel no different to me from the FFXV sidequests, and they're slowing down my progress through the plot. The pace of this game is interminably slow. The fucking random doctor asking me to go fight a behemoth in deepground was the last straw; I saved and switched off so I could stew in my own juice for a while.

So many of the things I loved are gone, and I don't really love much that has been added. I have learnt there is something to be said for a dungeon or area you wish you could re-visit, but cannot. Sometimes, less is more.

 

[ForceStealer]

I mean, you could just not do them. They are "sidequests," by definition.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

OK but then how am I going to level up?
It's just that there's so many of them.
I have chosen not to go find Betty's music. I just can't face it. I didn't bother with the press ups either.

What I miss - and this is odd, because it's arguably more boring than doing side quests - is picking a place to run back and forth, end to end, fighting the same enemies over and over again and grinding levels. I did that the first time I ran with Aerith through the Sector 5 junkyard. I didn't realise I'd be sent back there more times than I could count.

I wish we could hunt monsters and then sell stuff for gil. I always loved that in FFXII.

 

[Theozilla]

Even without sidequests there are respawnable enemy areas, so just grinding like in the OG.

 

[ForceStealer]

There are only like 24... And several of those overlap, so you're doing things for more than one at the same time.
This doesn't feel at all like XV, where they are literally endless, and there's no efficient way to tackle them because to keep having to go all the way back to the questgiver

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Also, I had a thought.

Why didn't Elmyra trade Avalanche (whom she doesn't know from Adam, and who are responsible for getting her daughter into so much danger and trouble) to Shinra in return for Aerith? Why didn't she even try to make that deal? Three wanted terrorists who might or might not be responsible for a great deal of death and mayhem, versus the safety of the only person I love in the world. It's a no-brainer. If it were my child, I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

 

[Theozilla]

Probably for the same reason Elmyra adopted a random child from the streets at a dying stranger's request, she is an above-average decently good person. Also Aerith is probably more valuable to Shinra than getting custody of Avalanche is.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

She says herself that she took Aerith because she was desperately lonely. It was a good deed, done by a decent woman, but it also satisfied her own needs. Theozilla, I don't know if you have kids, but I can tell you there is no parent who wouldn't shop three wanted terrorists to an evil empire if they thought it might just possibly bring their beloved child safely home. A parent seeking the safe return of their child is not a rational being. The reason the question popped into my mind was because Elmyra clearly believed Shinra was an organisation it was possible to negotiate with. What we know of their treatment of Aerith up to this point in the game is less malign than it was in the OG.

The Remake is giving me time to ask these questions. The OG didn't. In the OG, Elmyra seemed to think that if Avalanche didn't rescue Aerith, she was done for.

But who knows, maybe Elmyra just looks into Cloud's eyes and can see that he is A Good Person.

 

[Theozilla]

Just because parents can be desperately irrational when their child’s safety is at risk, doesn’t mean all (good) parents act like that, there are those who can act rationally too. Knowing Aerith is likely more valuable than Avalanche isn’t a easily ignorable factoid. Also I doubt Elmyra would want to “rock the boat” with the Shinra (i.e. risk making things worse for Aerith) by trying to negotiate with Shinra. And Elmyra already agreed to watch over Marlene, I doubt she would want to leave Marlene fatherless either.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I really miss her line in the OG where she tells him off for neglecting his child. It's just another small instance of how the Remake has allowed sentimentalism to dull its edge.

 

[Teioh]

There's a few bits and pieces like that one that I didn't know I was looking forward to until it didn't happen.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Also I'm not sure Aerith is more valuable than Avalanche. Executing Avalanche publicly would be the PR coup of the year for Shinra. And they know where Aerith lives; they can get her any time they want her. And if they really think she is of no use unless she cooperates willingly (which Elmyra, at any rate, believes), then Elmyra would have every reason to hope she could strike a deal.

 

[Theozilla]

I really miss her line in the OG where she tells him off for neglecting his child. It's just another small instance of how the Remake has allowed sentimentalism to dull its edge.

I don’t think that line would have worked as well in the Remake since the Remake includes far more scenes of Barret interacting and taking care of Marlene, so it wouldn’t flow and/or make as much sense in this version. I don’t think it has to with sentimentalism dulling anything.

Also I'm not sure Aerith is more valuable than Avalanche. Executing Avalanche publicly would be the PR coup of the year for Shinra. And they know where Aerith lives; they can get her any time they want her. And if they really think she is of no use unless she cooperates willingly (which Elmyra, at any rate, believes), then Elmyra would have every reason to hope she could strike a deal.

Well we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that point then. (also besides the Marlene promise and Elmyra being an above average-good person, I seriously doubt Elmyra would be able to guarantee Avalanche’s delivery to Shinra, as even if she contacted Shinra secretly, Avalanche has gotten out of more precarious situations before as well).

 

[ForceStealer]

That Tifa scene made me cry, by the way. Forget the LTD bullshit, her having to break down after everything that just happened, and Cloud doing so in his own way? Damn...this story's still got it.

 

[Tetsujin]

That Tifa scene made me cry, by the way. Forget the LTD bullshit

But it looks like you made your choice already