Roundhouse
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It looks a bit rounder here:
But yeah, looking at CC screenshots, you're right.
But yeah, looking at CC screenshots, you're right.
SPOILERS FFVII Remake Open Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Fiz
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That’s an interesting idea. I like it and think as a general thing, it’s plausible.
LicoriceAllsorts
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TIL that Heidegger's English VA is John diMaggio, who voices Bender in Futurama and Zog in Disenchantment. This makes me happy.
Smoothie King
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- Pat
Just a random thought. Apologies if this sounds like a 12 year old posting on gamefaqs...
With the plot Ghosts being destroyed, there seems to be a vocal consensus that Aerith doesn't have to die anymore. But no matter what, Sephiroth still needs to summon meteor in order to absorb the lifestream... The only thing that can stop that is Aerith praying for Holy. Wouldn't destroying fate just mean Sephiroth simply needs to kill Aerith before she has a chance to pray for Holy? I can't seem to figure out a way where Sephiroth's plan works without Aerith dying. I think it was just a case of him being too late the first time around. Now he knows where she's going to do it... he has to get her before she gets there.
I dont know. Random thought, like I said. Anyone have any idea how his plan works with Aerith staying alive? I just can't see it.
With the plot Ghosts being destroyed, there seems to be a vocal consensus that Aerith doesn't have to die anymore. But no matter what, Sephiroth still needs to summon meteor in order to absorb the lifestream... The only thing that can stop that is Aerith praying for Holy. Wouldn't destroying fate just mean Sephiroth simply needs to kill Aerith before she has a chance to pray for Holy? I can't seem to figure out a way where Sephiroth's plan works without Aerith dying. I think it was just a case of him being too late the first time around. Now he knows where she's going to do it... he has to get her before she gets there.
I dont know. Random thought, like I said. Anyone have any idea how his plan works with Aerith staying alive? I just can't see it.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
And Wakka and Kimahri
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
I just love the fact that Heidegger and Bender are connected.
The Twilight Mexican
Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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- TresDias
The problem the first time was that he was waiting for Cloud to catch up to her so he could make Cloud do it. I'm sure he'll find some other way to screw himself out of the win this time, though, because that's his thing.
This is so beautiful.
Obsidian Fire
Ahk Morn!
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- The Engineer
It's... a bit of the opposite really. Sephiroth knows Aerith *can't* beat him. She didn't beat him last time and that was with summoning Holy *early*. He can just hold Holy back in the Lifestream no problem.
The real threat is Cloud and Co. *distracting* Sephiroth at a key point in time in the Lifestream. And Sephiroth seems... very focused on sabotaging any chance of Cloud making sense of anything this time around. Much more focused than he is on Aerith. Even when fighting Aerith, he flat out taunts her and Cloud and says they can't do anything. The only person he wants *gone* is Tifa. He keeps up a constant littany of "begone, leave, etc." to Tifa. Who really *is* the biggest threat to him. If Tifa manages to help Cloud... Sephiroth will have the same problem he did last time.
So really... the person Sephiroth *should* be going after is Tifa. Aerith... what can she do? She tried to stop him last time and he stopped her just fine. Without Cloud regaining his sanity in the OG, Sephiorht's plan would have worked. And Aerith doesn't have anything to do with Cloud getting his sanity back.
Eerie
Fire and Blood
My newest theory is that.. the alternate timeline is located inside the Lifestream. Thi is yet my most out of there theory and mostly would answer the problem of the Zack timeline having an impact on the Remake timeline. I came to this conclusion because of two things I came to believe:
- The Lifestream is at the heart of the alternate timelines, connecting them (because of the singularity, this seems the most logical)
- The Whispers were building another Midgar inside the Lifestream (as shown in another thread)
From that thread I think most of you know that I thought that Sephiroth was indeed trying to create his own timeline, but when Aerith meddled with the portal, it created her own timeline instead, which would explain why her deepest desire of saving Zack happens.
However Zack can never meet up with Cloud before the Lifestream scene, and him being alive must have an impact on the Remake timeline - but he is not with Aerith, and has no mean to rejoin the main timeline.
With that train of thoughts, I wandered into the “what if Zack is really dead and he’s inside the Lifestream instead?” Territory, which I know is popular. And I don’t think we’re exactly there - because there is too much pointing from the Ultimania to make it otherwise; I think it’s probably a place where people are neither alive or dead because it’s still inside the Lifestream. I know what you are going to say “but if it’s inside the Lifestream then they are dead!”… But I don’t think that’s necessarily true as we saw the very alive team inside of it too. The fact that it’s an alternate timeline allows it to be a bit more odd; like we’re not sure if they’re alive or dead. Given the nature of the Lifestream I would argue that they’re alive, because souls dissolve and they - Zack and the NPCs - did not. But they’re still locked there…
Sephiroth wanted to make that place a true timeline on its own where he’d win, but Aerith had no such wish. It would mean that there is this future!Sephiroth in *this* timeline. And I think that’s why Zack is there: first he will meet with Aerith… when she will die in Remake, because this is her world, because it’s located in the Lifestream, she will be sent there when the usual Sephiroth will kill her. She and Zack and maybe other characters would have to pursue future!Sephiroth - it’s interesting that he speaks like his old self too, one that Zack knows. I have always thought that at the end of Remake, Cloud would have to beat both the normal Sephiroth and the future!Sephiroth, and with Zack around it seems logical to think that he’s going to get involved at some point. It would also mean that Zack can not have an impact on Remake before the very end, which allows the FFVII story to go on. Sephiroth will probably try to make this world get out of the Lifestream at the end - he knows he’s going to get beaten. Maybe he even wants to reunite them to gain more power and beat Cloud. There are a lot of things that can be guessed from there. Maybe Aerith will allow both worlds to rejoin, even for a small moment, to beat that new threat.
At the very end, whether Zack and Aerith survive through this trick is up to the devs. I think the introduction of a new Sephiroth whi most probably comes from the far future warrants that this side of the story can change. But we still have to go through Aerith’s death. And if Aerith survives, so does Zack. They will both end up probably dead or alive together.
I’m very aware that is is 99.99% unlikely, that there are probable plot holes everywhere but I like to play with this theory because it expands on the idea of life and death and the Lifestream and how Sephiroth tries to manipulate it, how Aerith must counter him etc. This seems to fit what they have added anyway.
- The Lifestream is at the heart of the alternate timelines, connecting them (because of the singularity, this seems the most logical)
- The Whispers were building another Midgar inside the Lifestream (as shown in another thread)
From that thread I think most of you know that I thought that Sephiroth was indeed trying to create his own timeline, but when Aerith meddled with the portal, it created her own timeline instead, which would explain why her deepest desire of saving Zack happens.
However Zack can never meet up with Cloud before the Lifestream scene, and him being alive must have an impact on the Remake timeline - but he is not with Aerith, and has no mean to rejoin the main timeline.
With that train of thoughts, I wandered into the “what if Zack is really dead and he’s inside the Lifestream instead?” Territory, which I know is popular. And I don’t think we’re exactly there - because there is too much pointing from the Ultimania to make it otherwise; I think it’s probably a place where people are neither alive or dead because it’s still inside the Lifestream. I know what you are going to say “but if it’s inside the Lifestream then they are dead!”… But I don’t think that’s necessarily true as we saw the very alive team inside of it too. The fact that it’s an alternate timeline allows it to be a bit more odd; like we’re not sure if they’re alive or dead. Given the nature of the Lifestream I would argue that they’re alive, because souls dissolve and they - Zack and the NPCs - did not. But they’re still locked there…
Sephiroth wanted to make that place a true timeline on its own where he’d win, but Aerith had no such wish. It would mean that there is this future!Sephiroth in *this* timeline. And I think that’s why Zack is there: first he will meet with Aerith… when she will die in Remake, because this is her world, because it’s located in the Lifestream, she will be sent there when the usual Sephiroth will kill her. She and Zack and maybe other characters would have to pursue future!Sephiroth - it’s interesting that he speaks like his old self too, one that Zack knows. I have always thought that at the end of Remake, Cloud would have to beat both the normal Sephiroth and the future!Sephiroth, and with Zack around it seems logical to think that he’s going to get involved at some point. It would also mean that Zack can not have an impact on Remake before the very end, which allows the FFVII story to go on. Sephiroth will probably try to make this world get out of the Lifestream at the end - he knows he’s going to get beaten. Maybe he even wants to reunite them to gain more power and beat Cloud. There are a lot of things that can be guessed from there. Maybe Aerith will allow both worlds to rejoin, even for a small moment, to beat that new threat.
At the very end, whether Zack and Aerith survive through this trick is up to the devs. I think the introduction of a new Sephiroth whi most probably comes from the far future warrants that this side of the story can change. But we still have to go through Aerith’s death. And if Aerith survives, so does Zack. They will both end up probably dead or alive together.
I’m very aware that is is 99.99% unlikely, that there are probable plot holes everywhere but I like to play with this theory because it expands on the idea of life and death and the Lifestream and how Sephiroth tries to manipulate it, how Aerith must counter him etc. This seems to fit what they have added anyway.
Obsidian Fire
Ahk Morn!
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- The Engineer
I'm not surprised. Wutai takes pretty long in the OG, and the Remake has been making it pretty clear the Wutai conflict is a lot bigger and more wide-spread than in the OG. I've been banking on it in fact.
This still leaves a very large chunck of content to get through even before Wuati though...
This still leaves a very large chunck of content to get through even before Wuati though...
LegendarySaiyan
AKA: SalihGuclu
That's my guess as well. They will probably expand and add more content in between things.
Nibelheim Flashback
Kalm
Chocobo Farm
Marshlands
Mythril Mine
Yuffie
Condor (???)
Junon
Shinra Cargo Ship
Costa Del Sol
Mt. Corel
The Gold Saucer
Corel Prison
Gongaga
Cosmo Canyon
Nibelheim
My prediction is that Sephiroth will be a guest character like RED XIII was in PART 1 or a party member that we wont be able to control, but give commands to like Sonon in INTERmission. Sephiroth might be used to introduced the game mechanics to the players. Combination attacks and such.
The first new character introduced into our party will be Red XIII, he will most likely be playable from Kalm.
Yuffie will follow after we cross the Marshlands and Mythril Mine, just like in the OG. She was last seen riding a Chocobo so she will have no problem crossing the Marshlands and would make sense that she is one day ahead of us as Cloud & Co. was busy infiltrating Shinra and fighting Destiny while Yuffie probably left Midgar right after Sector 7 Collapse.
Then, we have Cait Sith in Gold Saucer.
I can't predict if we will get any new guest characters throughout PART 2 since they might or might not add any new characters to the series or new story segments for existing characters. Though I am sure that one fan favorite character, Vincent Valentine will be a guest character at the end of PART 2. He will probably help us fight the final boss.
So if PART 2 is from Nibelheim (Flashback) to Nibelheim, then we will get at the least 3(2) new playable characters making it total of 7 playable characters and 2 new guest characters.
As for the where the game will end, I predict it will end with Nibelheim or the Cave near Nibel Reactor.
I suspect that if the game ends in Nibelheim then we will fight a new Jenova form in the Shinra Mansion when meeting Sephiroth again . OR that the final boss will either be the Dragon (which I think not) or the Materia Keeper boss inside the cave near Nibel Reactor and the game will end there.
LegendarySaiyan
AKA: SalihGuclu
That would be epic, Cloud with a mediocre attack then Sephiroth with a godly flashy finish
Smoothie King
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- Pat
I think ending Part 2 in Nibelheim would be a huge let down. Huge. It's barely a blip on the radar in the OG. Hell, even the boss fight there is completely optional.
They need (ie should) bring Part 2 to the Forgotten City. That's the soonest logical endpoint in my eyes. None of the other places make sense from a story perspective.
In terms of Part 3, you have your Shinra/Wutai war as the subplot behind Meteor and Weapons.
But yeah, I would be really disappointed if we don't even make it past Nibelheim in Part 2. The PS5 hardware can handle it. Yes, it's a lot of work and a lot of content, but there are no more limitations.
They need (ie should) bring Part 2 to the Forgotten City. That's the soonest logical endpoint in my eyes. None of the other places make sense from a story perspective.
In terms of Part 3, you have your Shinra/Wutai war as the subplot behind Meteor and Weapons.
But yeah, I would be really disappointed if we don't even make it past Nibelheim in Part 2. The PS5 hardware can handle it. Yes, it's a lot of work and a lot of content, but there are no more limitations.
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
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- Ody
Depending on how willing they are to upend the original structure of the story, just because Nibelheim was not so important in the original doesn't mean it won't be something huge here. Best not to set your expectations solely on what the OG presented. If Wutai is a huge area with a major storyline behind it, I could see them having a ton to do in a third part before they ever hit the ancient city.
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Smoothie King
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Yeah, and I respect that they have given themselves a story-backed reason to expand. I just find it difficult to envision shoe-horning in a major climax in Nibelheim that will satisfy from a narrative perspective. They already have perfect endpoints already there for them from the original.
Then again, they made Chapter 18 so obviously nothing is off the table. And I loved Chapter 18 and the new direction, I'm just personally against doing that again. They had their moment to do that and it's now finished. My two cents, anyway.
Eerie
Fire and Blood
They keep telling us how they're expanding on everything and changing a lot of things. In all honestly, I don't see them going to the Forest for the next part. There are too many events to cover, that's why a lot of people are betting on Nibelheim to Nibelheim because:
- it allows for a nice beginning/ending
- we can have Vincent as guest to beat the last boss, so it's a new character just like Cait Sith will definitely be (adding new characters to keep new gameplay in and not bore players)
We are going to see a lot of changes in Wutai, and I bet Aerith will be there because she'll also bond with Yuffie and that's the kind of moment you want ALL the party to be in. So that means no Wutai in part 3, but also Aerith not dying in the next game!
- it allows for a nice beginning/ending
- we can have Vincent as guest to beat the last boss, so it's a new character just like Cait Sith will definitely be (adding new characters to keep new gameplay in and not bore players)
We are going to see a lot of changes in Wutai, and I bet Aerith will be there because she'll also bond with Yuffie and that's the kind of moment you want ALL the party to be in. So that means no Wutai in part 3, but also Aerith not dying in the next game!
Maidenofwar
They/Them
Two whole games to enjoy Aerith in especially if gameplay progress carries over while they scale the enemies would be great! 