FFVIIR at TGS 2019 (NEW TRAILER!)

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I never really mastered those team attacks in FFXV and I still had no trouble whatsoever beating the game. I never got a game over once.

 

[Erotic Materia]

link- or team attacks, like we had in FFXV, will not be present in the Remake

Cait Sith is a walking team

 

[Knights of the Round]

In other observations, Lex, Tetsujin and I discuss this in our soon-to-be-released trailer analysis. But I really enjoy that the hallucination of Sephiroth causes Cloud to forget his surroundings and draw his sword somewhere without the room, banging it on the door frame. It shows how all-consuming the hallucination is.

You guys did a great job w/ the new trailer analysis. I really enjoy those, and I haven't seen anyone else out there doing a frame-by-frame in depth analysis like that. Thank you.

Also agree about the little nuances like the sword on the door frame. It gives the game depth and makes everything feel more real / less scripted.

 

[NibelFire]

It was a combination of lucky timing and the "wrong" angle that were going along with the animations of both characters what created this... MASTERPIECE *cough* *cough*. But seriously, we already saw her do jumps in midair without any aid though, and unfortunately they confirmed a long time ago that link- or team attacks, like we had in FFXV, will not be present in the Remake.

Might I get a link to where that was being talked about? Feel like it would be a shame for SE to miss out on such a cool implementation. Not like it would take anything away from a seemingly great battle system already. Or perhaps they're saving it for later parts where you could acquire the means to perform such attacks?

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

After watching TLS frame-by-frame breakdown (which was fantastic as always!) I noticed that a yellow bar appears at the top of the screen right when Cloud gets turned into a frog. It looked like the FFXV encounter bar to me, except it didn't reach all the way across the screen. I wonder what that's supposed to be?

 

[Erotic Materia]

After watching TLS frame-by-frame breakdown (which was fantastic as always!) I noticed that a yellow bar appears at the top of the screen right when Cloud gets turned into a frog. It looked like the FFXV encounter bar to me, except it didn't reach all the way across the screen. I wonder what that's supposed to be?

Maybe it's a timer?

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

It disappears while he's still a frog though. My guess is it's a text box that's had the text edited out of it, or maybe some kind of resistance gauge. Like, if an enemy's regular attacks cause frog, every hit fills the bar until you get hit by the status. In this case, Cloud gets hit by a spell so it just fills the bar instantly.

 

[Erotic Materia]

It disappears while he's still a frog though. My guess is it's a text box that's had the text edited out of it, or maybe some kind of resistance gauge. Like, if an enemy's regular attacks cause frog, every hit fills the bar until you get hit by the status. In this case, Cloud gets hit by a spell so it just fills the bar instantly.

You might be right.

I haven't actually watched the video yet

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

Well, I used my feeble MS Paint skills to take a screenshot. Watching it again, it's more or a pulse than a bar or box, so I doubt there was ever any text involved.

Spoiler: Image

 

[OdaDaimyO]

Well, I used my feeble MS Paint skills to take a screenshot. Watching it again, it's more or a pulse than a bar or box, so I doubt there was ever any text involved.

Spoiler: Image

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This is only for comparison's sake, but in the Japanese trailer it didn't prompt at all! Maybe they're still working on a infobox that speaks out your newly attached status effect in battle, in addition to the symbolized meaning. The frog status is not a good example, because of the obvious transformation, but there could be status effects that aren't so visibly different than others.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

I didn't even think to check the Japanese trailer, it's interesting that it's not included there.

 

[rimavelle]

Japanese trailer also doesn't have the prompt when Barret is searching the rubble nor does it change to "Search".

 

[Knights of the Round]

Speaking as a Game Developer myself I'd say they have different builds of the game with varying levels of environmental detail, gameplay mechanics, UI mechanics, etc. in their development and testing environments. These, if they pass testing and approval, will eventually be pushed to the production (final) build of the game.

For anyone not familiar with how that works - builds can act as different, standalone 'versions' of the game that can be used for development, testing or demos for your audience. Code and assets from these builds or "branches" can then be merged into the live (production/final) build.

It's pretty common for there to be different versions or builds of the game floating about until final release. Looked to me like the TGS gameplay was on a different build than E3 with the choice of 20/30m timer for the bomb, Jessie showing up on the lower platform of the reactor, etc.

 

[OdaDaimyO]

Might I get a link to where that was being talked about?

Sorry, for the late reply! It needed a little bit more searching than I thought. Nomura mentioned it at one point of several interviews (I think it was Famitsu), that was hold at the time the game was announced 4 years ago. Tibits from this interview were posted at NovaCrystallis.

http://novacrystallis.com/2015/12/nomura-kitase-talk-final-fantasy-vii-remake-development-progress/

The last point is about party interactions in battle:

Another system that is not yet shown involves your party. It is different from party cooperation, though.

So whatever that is, and assuming that aspect is still part of the battle system, it's something they haven't introduced to us yet.

 

[OdaDaimyO]

Sorry, for the double-post!

I want to share a little theory of mine in regards to the red Materia, that prompts up in Cloud's status box after calling Ifrit.

After the Summon gauge is filled up, Cloud calls upon Ifrit through Tactical Mode on the battle field, but instead of red Materia used for invoking the spell, the purple Materia equipt in Cloud's Hardedge is flashing up. It seems like the whole Materia categoring system will be overhauled and Summons are replacing the 'independent' category, or they are rearranging the colour schemes. The reason why it still shows a red Materia in Cloud's status box could be a designed nod from the devs, directed to the OG. But what is the meaning behind the symbol, except to show who's Summon is fighting on the field? Is that necessary at all? At first, I thought it would be used to indentify Cloud as the only one capable of issue commands, or spend ATB bars for his Summon, but that's NOT the case here. We are seeing through Aerith's and Tifa's use of Tactical Mode, that they also have access to Ifrit's abilities. So, why show it in the first place? My guess so far is that symbol is an reminder for the player to know, which characters still can summon their beasts for supporting them in battle. Yep, that's my conclusion! It could be a great indicator, that the player is able to fight alongside more than one Summon.

 

[Ite]

I don’t believe that at all. Either the red materia appears purple because of a green tint over the sewer field, or summon materia is purple now b/c the devs forgot about independent materia

Is it confirmed that Tifa and Aeris can issue commands to Cloud’s summon? Photo please, I can’t scrub through the footage if I can’t actually read what I’m looking for.

Either way I believe that only one summon on the field is the limit of what they can do at this time.

 

[NibelFire]

I don’t believe that at all. Either the red materia appears purple because of a green tint over the sewer field, or summon materia is purple now b/c the devs forgot about independent materia

Is it confirmed that Tifa and Aeris can issue commands to Cloud’s summon? Photo please, I can’t scrub through the footage if I can’t actually read what I’m looking for.

Either way I believe that only one summon on the field is the limit of what they can do at this time.

They never showed it, but I think he's referring to the fact that you can see the "Summon Ability" command here on Aerith's menu even though Cloud was the one who summoned Ifrit.

 

[NibelFire]

In regard to summons, I think it’s unlikely that you can have multiple of them at the same time. Here is my take on the system:

• Each character can only equip one summon materia at a time.
• You can bring up to 3 summons into a battle (assuming max party limit of 3 like the OG). However, all summons will share a single build-up bar, thus you can theoretically summon all 3, but only one after another.
• A possible reason for allowing all characters to control the summon is to avoid possible loss of control. For example, if Cloud is being pinned down or killled in this fight, you risk being locked out of any control over Ifrit until Cloud is saved/revived or worse, the entire summon duration.

I could see the choice and timing of your summon starting to matter more later into the game. In early stages like this, not so much.

Although it would be awesome to watch all the summons getting unleashed in one go, I feel that would a) be too broken and b) blow up your PS4 into smithereens faster than they blow up the battlefield.

 

[Roger]

I don’t believe that at all. Either the red materia appears purple because of a green tint over the sewer field, or summon materia is purple now b/c the devs forgot about independent materia

Is it confirmed that Tifa and Aeris can issue commands to Cloud’s summon? Photo please, I can’t scrub through the footage if I can’t actually read what I’m looking for.

Either way I believe that only one summon on the field is the limit of what they can do at this time.

I don't think it's so much that they forgot as in an action rpg, you don't need Materia to make character choose other actions on their turn then "Fight".

 

[Roundhouse]

From all the footage we've seen, I actually feel like we've seen a lot of the general story from what this game is going to cover, haha. The first reactor and boss, Corneo, a bit of the wall market, Tifa's bar, The Turks, Sephiroth, President Shinra, some of the Shinra building, a flash of when the plate falls down and the battle before it...

Very curious to see how they're going to handle part two, because that will be an even bigger undertaking. How do you handle the world map? All the completely different locations you visit?

 

[Jairus]

Yeah, they've shown us a lot, but I think there's also gonna be a lot of new story material as well. The events of the original I think aren't gonna be in one continuous sequence like before but I think will be broken up by many further missions with the AVALANCHE trio and other new story elements. There's probably going to be a lot more new than remade, they just wanted to show us a lot of what we already knew of from the original to get us excited. They also said they wanted to surprise us, so we should be prepared for the unexpected as well.

"Forget all you know, or think you know." The High Aldwin, Willow

 

[OdaDaimyO]

In regard to summons, I think it’s unlikely that you can have multiple of them at the same time. Here is my take on the system:

• Each character can only equip one summon materia at a time.
• You can bring up to 3 summons into a battle (assuming max party limit of 3 like the OG). However, all summons will share a single build-up bar, thus you can theoretically summon all 3, but only one after another.
• A possible reason for allowing all characters to control the summon is to avoid possible loss of control. For example, if Cloud is being pinned down or killled in this fight, you risk being locked out of any control over Ifrit until Cloud is saved/revived or worse, the entire summon duration.

I could see the choice and timing of your summon starting to matter more later into the game. In early stages like this, not so much.

Although it would be awesome to watch all the summons getting unleashed in one go, I feel that would a) be too broken and b) blow up your PS4 into smithereens faster than they blow up the battlefield.

Funny fact, I posted something similiar a couple of days ago:
https://thelifestream.net/forums/threads/ffviir-at-tgs-2019-new-trailer.21974/page-17#post-827796

At that time, we had a common ground about how the summon gauge represents all Summons equipt on the characters. But after I read the translation from the livestream they've shown with Kitase at TGS, I wasn't so sure anymore, especially THIS part here:

The summon materia begins the “invocation”
From when the beast is invoked, the “Summon Gauge” on the right comes up

And it's true, at the very beginning of the fight, the summon gauge isn't visible on the screen.

The "invocation" part makes me curious. How does it work in detail? Is it handled by the system, or is the player able to choose when the gauge should be activated? In case of the latter, the "invocation" could be a character specific command, this would mean that every character has the opportunity to invoke their own summon gauge.

That's what I thought, but in hindsight I think I misinterpreted these lines. It reads like the Summon Materia alone starts the "invocation" process, and shows up only after a specific precentage of the gauge is filled up. Something I already mentioned in my post I linked above. Looks like I should've listen to my past self more.

Anyway, that doesn't give me an answer on my problem with the red Materia symbol! Why is it necessary to differentiate Cloud from the others, when the system only allows one summoner in the first place? I don't want to believe this is only for nostalgic reasons.

Another thing that catched my eye, after I watched the footage again, is the Summon Ability Menu has one subcategory, where you choose between Ifrit's abilities and one other option that uses 2 ATB bars.

I guess we can issue the Hellfire attack manually, but will this be resulting into Ifrit leaving the battle field earlier? Or will it be displayed as separate options entirely (calling back Ifrit included)... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Sidenote: The Summon Ability Menu doesn't call the Summon by name, indicating the Menu isn't designed to show abilities for other Summons (except they're pooled together).

Lets hope our great Vyzzuvazzadth will enlighten us all! Fire is the symbol of wisdom, right?

Látom!

 

[FFShinra]

Random thought: What if the watchmen in the slums are not the watchmen, but the helicombatants? As in the models for those aren't finished yet and the watchmen are taking their place for the sake of the trailer?

I say this because of the sheer number and also because, compared to everything else, they simply don't look as polished as the rest. And less so in their first reveal in the other trailer.

 

[NeithOF]

Random thought: What if the watchmen in the slums are not the watchmen, but the helicombatants? As in the models for those aren't finished yet and the watchmen are taking their place for the sake of the trailer?

I say this because of the sheer number and also because, compared to everything else, they simply don't look as polished as the rest. And less so in their first reveal in the other trailer.

I seriously doubt a basic as hell monster model as the aero combatant wouldn't have been finished 5 months before release. If that's the case we should start worrying about this game right now, cause it's gonna be even more rushed than XV was.

 

[FFShinra]

I mean, we are looking at various builds in the trailers, its possible that particular build was older when they weren't yet finished with it.