FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH ANNOUNCED
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ForceStealer
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Yeah I don't think they'd wait until after XVI releases, but it will be closer to XVI's release when XVI's hype is firmly at the level they want it at.
cold_spirit
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Historically, we've been pretty bad at predicting when SE will announce games and "hype cycles". No one thought they'd announce Rebirth before XVI releases, some thought they'd even wait until after the next XIV expansion, and a few thought Kingdom Hearts IV would arrive first. but SE doesn't reveal their portfolio one game at a time. They have too many teams. There's going to be overlap and that makes it pretty much impossible to guess.
Personally, I wouldn't bet on E3. It's been cancelled for a few years now and big studios have moved on to their own livestreams (which have the added bonus of more flexibility and less competition). I also wouldn't expect much at a Japanese-only stream. So yeah
Personally, I wouldn't bet on E3. It's been cancelled for a few years now and big studios have moved on to their own livestreams (which have the added bonus of more flexibility and less competition). I also wouldn't expect much at a Japanese-only stream. So yeah
Makoeyes987
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Prediction:
The Collector's edition of FFVII-Rebirth will be a PAK of Cloud equipped with the Forcestealer with a rideable Chocobo.
That's the next variant Cloud figure we've yet to receive and I'm betting that's what they'll give us for this game.
The Collector's edition of FFVII-Rebirth will be a PAK of Cloud equipped with the Forcestealer with a rideable Chocobo.
That's the next variant Cloud figure we've yet to receive and I'm betting that's what they'll give us for this game.
Eerie
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So they posted the timeline for the Compilation:
While Rebirth has no date I feel they’re going for 2024 with EC in 2023 to have a game per year since Remake.
Oh and somehow they put back Last Order on the timeline.
And they really don’t care about spoilers seeing the pic they used for FFVII
While Rebirth has no date I feel they’re going for 2024 with EC in 2023 to have a game per year since Remake.
Oh and somehow they put back Last Order on the timeline.
And they really don’t care about spoilers seeing the pic they used for FFVII
looneymoon
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*counts the amount of entries that are either dead or unavailable on modern consoles*
Makoeyes987
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Honestly, that's the whole bottom row except Ever Crisis
Last Order hasn't been remastered for Blu Ray so the only way to legally watch it is the DVD release, lol
Last Order hasn't been remastered for Blu Ray so the only way to legally watch it is the DVD release, lol
Tetsujin
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LNK
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Prediction:
The Collector's edition of FFVII-Rebirth will be a PAK of Cloud equipped with the Forcestealer with a rideable Chocobo.
That's the next variant Cloud figure we've yet to receive and I'm betting that's what they'll give us for this game.
That'd be pretty cool. My prediction would be a Sephiroth figure. With the title of the game, I think that'd fit pretty well
And overshadow FF16's marketing campaign? I doubt that.
Tetsujin
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It won't overshadow anything.
roku
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That's how remakes marketing started. Teaser In the first state of play of the year (To remind people it exists) and then full trailer and demo at e3.
screwygirl
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My theory is that Zack is in the Lifestream, which is why he carried past Cloud right through the real Cloud and Aerith. And why Cloud is suddenly gone once he gets to the church. Did you notice the background when he opened the door? Kind of similar to the one at the end of Advent Children, where Aerith and Zack are leaving...
roku
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Nomura drew art of Brain from Kingdom Hearts, Jack Garland from Stranger of Paradise and Zack Fair.
Zack seems to be wearing a new outfit with a scarf or he's at a weird angle, you decide.
Zack seems to be wearing a new outfit with a scarf or he's at a weird angle, you decide.
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Makoeyes987
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It's hard to tell given how blurry it is but that looks like Zack's SOLDIER outfit collar from a side profile.
Tetsujin
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*timidly raises hand*
Who the hell is Brain from Kingdom Hearts?
Who the hell is Brain from Kingdom Hearts?
Makoeyes987
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One of the Dandelions from KH Union X. An ancient Keyblade Master who's apparently going to be a big deal seeing as he's one of the only survivors of that Union X era and is more than likely going to feature in the newest mobile Kingdom Hearts game.
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I've seen a bit of talk lately about the lifestream, specifically a theory about how altering memories within it could alter history itself. Despite the fact that I like the idea, I wanted to explain why I don't think that's what's happening in Remake. There are two issues I'd like to highlight: Stamp's terrier design and Intermission's post credit scene with Zack.
Let's get through Stamp quickly. We know something’s up as the Ultimania even ponders the significance of the terrier design. However, theories often hand wave this detail away, and that continues to be the case here. Was something else altered to cause the design to change? Is it a motif? More questions begin to rise than answers.
Moving on, I feel like Intermission's post credit scene with Zack could offer a lot of valuable insight into what to expect from Rebirth, however it was overshadowed at release by fans paying far too much attention to the church's interior. Let's view it with fresh eyes. Keep in mind that the theory is "history was changed via altering the lifestream”. Since history was changed, that would mean a living Zack now occupies the same spacetime as the party. Let's try to place where the post credit scene could take place in this scenario.
Assume for a moment that Zack arrived at the church sometime after the Sector 7 platefall and the people there are survivors. How does one explain the fact that Zack wields the Buster Sword, just as Cloud does during that time and up to Kalm?
Assume for a moment that Zack arrived at the church sometime before the Sector 7 platefall and the people there are mourning something involving Aerith. How does one explain what happened to Aerith? If something bad happened to her, wouldn't that reflect on our Aerith outside of Kalm?
To address these issues, an auxiliary theory must be used. "Singularity immunity", as I’ve come to call it, is pretty popular and states that those inside the Singularity (i.e., the party) are immune to the changes that altered the past/planet. It’s further speculated that the party "overwrote" their altered selfs upon exiting the Singularity, thus preserving the characters as we know them and removing any paradoxes. My issue with Singularity immunity, however, is that it's not even remotely hinted at in the game or external material. There's no visual indication that some type of overwrite occurred with the party, nor is it presented as a mystery in the Ultimania. It just feels made up to me. Even Stamp’s new design got a few seconds of screen time.
At this point I want to say that whatever theory a person has is totally cool and I don’t mean to be a troll or anything, I’m just trying to explain my thought process. Chewing away at the mysteries as intended and biding my time until Rebirth.
So, since it has no lore backing, let’s assume Singularity immunity isn’t a thing and continue to try and place the post credit scene. As pointed out above, it really doesn’t fit anywhere. If the people in the church are survivors from the Sector 7 platefall, how are there two Buster Swords now? If the people are there because something bad happened to Aerith, why doesn’t that reflect on our Aerith outside of Kalm?
As such, I have to place the scene in some other spacetime. A reality where Zack visited the church shortly after surviving his last stand. It's reasonable that he would visit there sooner rather than later, that was literally his goal in Crisis Core. And unlike most theories, I don’t have to hand wave away Stamp’s new design. It’s different because there are discrepancies between the realities, as multiverse stories usually have. We even have examples of the Whispers allowing minor discrepancies throughout Remake. To me it all locks into place. I don’t even need to reference some obscure Ultimania passage or interview response. It’s right there in the game.
It should be noted that I do still think the answer to Remake’s mysteries will involve the lifestream and the theme of “memory”, I just don’t think that it involves altering history, nor that Singularity immunity is a thing. I think the answer will be much larger in scale, but I digress. So yeah, that’s where I’m at.
I really do enjoy these differing theories. They’re fun thought experiments. I like to assume one is true and see the story from that new angle. But also, I’m really looking forward to Rebirth giving us some clarity haha.
Let's get through Stamp quickly. We know something’s up as the Ultimania even ponders the significance of the terrier design. However, theories often hand wave this detail away, and that continues to be the case here. Was something else altered to cause the design to change? Is it a motif? More questions begin to rise than answers.
Moving on, I feel like Intermission's post credit scene with Zack could offer a lot of valuable insight into what to expect from Rebirth, however it was overshadowed at release by fans paying far too much attention to the church's interior. Let's view it with fresh eyes. Keep in mind that the theory is "history was changed via altering the lifestream”. Since history was changed, that would mean a living Zack now occupies the same spacetime as the party. Let's try to place where the post credit scene could take place in this scenario.
Assume for a moment that Zack arrived at the church sometime after the Sector 7 platefall and the people there are survivors. How does one explain the fact that Zack wields the Buster Sword, just as Cloud does during that time and up to Kalm?
Assume for a moment that Zack arrived at the church sometime before the Sector 7 platefall and the people there are mourning something involving Aerith. How does one explain what happened to Aerith? If something bad happened to her, wouldn't that reflect on our Aerith outside of Kalm?
To address these issues, an auxiliary theory must be used. "Singularity immunity", as I’ve come to call it, is pretty popular and states that those inside the Singularity (i.e., the party) are immune to the changes that altered the past/planet. It’s further speculated that the party "overwrote" their altered selfs upon exiting the Singularity, thus preserving the characters as we know them and removing any paradoxes. My issue with Singularity immunity, however, is that it's not even remotely hinted at in the game or external material. There's no visual indication that some type of overwrite occurred with the party, nor is it presented as a mystery in the Ultimania. It just feels made up to me. Even Stamp’s new design got a few seconds of screen time.
At this point I want to say that whatever theory a person has is totally cool and I don’t mean to be a troll or anything, I’m just trying to explain my thought process. Chewing away at the mysteries as intended and biding my time until Rebirth.
So, since it has no lore backing, let’s assume Singularity immunity isn’t a thing and continue to try and place the post credit scene. As pointed out above, it really doesn’t fit anywhere. If the people in the church are survivors from the Sector 7 platefall, how are there two Buster Swords now? If the people are there because something bad happened to Aerith, why doesn’t that reflect on our Aerith outside of Kalm?
As such, I have to place the scene in some other spacetime. A reality where Zack visited the church shortly after surviving his last stand. It's reasonable that he would visit there sooner rather than later, that was literally his goal in Crisis Core. And unlike most theories, I don’t have to hand wave away Stamp’s new design. It’s different because there are discrepancies between the realities, as multiverse stories usually have. We even have examples of the Whispers allowing minor discrepancies throughout Remake. To me it all locks into place. I don’t even need to reference some obscure Ultimania passage or interview response. It’s right there in the game.
It should be noted that I do still think the answer to Remake’s mysteries will involve the lifestream and the theme of “memory”, I just don’t think that it involves altering history, nor that Singularity immunity is a thing. I think the answer will be much larger in scale, but I digress. So yeah, that’s where I’m at.
I really do enjoy these differing theories. They’re fun thought experiments. I like to assume one is true and see the story from that new angle. But also, I’m really looking forward to Rebirth giving us some clarity haha.
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