KindOfBlue
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Don’t tell me some of you are actually getting hung up over whether or not a BR mobile game fits into the narrative of FF7 lol
Final Fantasy VII: The First Soldier
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LicoriceAllsorts
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Actually the President in the OG Honeybee Inn isn't President Shinra.
Odysseus
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That's why I specified "English version." They called the play troupe leader the "president" in the translation which has led to the common misconception that that was President Shinra.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Odysseus
Ninja Potato
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It's the guys from the play at the Gold Saucer. In the japanese version they even complain that they came all the way from the gold saucer just to indulge the leader's hobby lol.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Wow... Well that's new to me. I thought it was President Shinra. Why haven't I heard about this before??
Shademp
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Regardless of gameplay, both the trailer and the Famitsu interview article establish this as an official part of the timeline (even if it the plot ends up thin as a nano-film). Plus the plan is for The First SOLDIER to be adapted into the Ever Crisis chapters, so it'd be a great plus if FF7:FS can at least maintain a decent narrative.
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LicoriceAllsorts
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In the English version of the OG script, the guys in the roleplay room say:
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So I'm a bit surprised anyone ever thought it was President Shinra. He wouldn't have a luncheon appointment with himself, he wouldn't need to make a business trip to Midgar, since he lives there, and his wife is dead.
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So I'm a bit surprised anyone ever thought it was President Shinra. He wouldn't have a luncheon appointment with himself, he wouldn't need to make a business trip to Midgar, since he lives there, and his wife is dead.
Odysseus
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The first time through you might not realize things like the president's wife being dead, and "Luncheon with President Shinra" might be taken as "these guys are the president's entourage to his luncheon." The fact they also refer to the guy they're with as "the president" doesn't help. The biggest head scratcher is them "visiting Midgar" which doesn't make sense. The translation just had to leave out where they came from, to make it more confusing.
Odysseus
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Hmmmmmmmmm, so that's how you'll fool them.
I always forget about this error, but it might be the strangest one. I'm surprised we've never tried to arrange an interview with the OG translator or anything.
KindOfBlue
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I mean I agree but like...it’s still just a BR game lmao what I mean is I don’t think anybody should lose sleep if it ends up not being much more than that
ForceStealer
Double Growth
When I was younger I was convinced that I was missing some clever joke with that exchange. In fact, I'm pretty sure I made a thread asking about it...
Yep, here it is. Damn, right at the beginning of TLS.
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Shademp
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While Midgar does look way too complete, I honestly think the President isn't all that high up.
Notice how even when zoomed back, the reactor body easily shows up on the horizon. Clearly this floor isn't higher up than the actual reactors.
Meanwhile, if we roam floors 59 and above in FFVIIR we are decidedly above the maximum height of the reactors.
If The First SOLDIER becomes another FFVII title that spans several years in the timeline, it's still possible that the FMV of President Shinra takes place at a time when it makes more sense for Midgar to have been built up to this degree. Though most likely the standard of old FFVII canon will be followed and the people in this world are just really, REALLY great at building cities fast.
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LicoriceAllsorts
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Thank you for saving my sanity Shademp
Chocobo Eater
Pro Adventurer
Hold up... didn't Reeve design the mako reactors? He'd be five years old in FS. Then again, mako had been around even before that so maybe I'm misunderstanding something about who designed the reactors.
Sephiroth Crescent
Way Ahead of the Plot
On Reeve's job... didn't he just inherit the sectors city layout design work? Or else the entire FF7 universe doesn't make any sense as of now.
EDIT: Unless, present day Reeve is just a puppet made by an older Tuesti.
EDIT: Unless, present day Reeve is just a puppet made by an older Tuesti.
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
The plot's been ludicrous so far, why spoil it with reasoning now?
Wol
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Shademp
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Transcribed some Japanese text from the trailer yes I know Odysseus I'm not supposed to be transcribing stuff don't at me bruh
Shows up whenever the player character defeats an opponent.
Combatants are shown to have this rank/class title. The trailer does say that you will rise through the ranks, so clearly other ranks/classes/titles will be awarded. In the Dirge online multiplayer, the rank progression was Drone -> Scout -> Trooper -> Commander -> General -> Tsviet.
The minimap in the upper right corner will sometimes display the name of an area. It might not be the name of the full map area but rather a certain region within it. Notably none of the footage actually shows the player inside an Underground Sewer, so perhaps you'll be able to descend into the sewers at some point. Notably this area is the only one we see both in daylight and nighttime in the trailer. Maybe this was the point behind the trailer declaring the time as "16:00 PM"? Maybe the same maps will be playable at different times of day and have their lighting change accordingly.
The area name I've written as "？？オの館" is mostly obscured, though I fear the full name is probably "コルネオの館": House of Corneo. See time stamp 00:31 in the trailer. Hopefully they'll change the name by the time the game is released. Is it conceivable that Corneo had a presence in Wall Market as early as 30 years prior? Possibly, but it screams lazy worldbuilding. Let the era have unique characters and lore and make the areas feel like they weren't simply ported from the point in time when FFVIIR takes place. To their credit they've added more greenery to some battle maps, showing a more luscious snapshot of Midgar before the mako reactors had been active for any extended period of time.
The melee attack used by the chocobo-hoodie soldier at 00:32 is called "正拳突き", auto-translated as "Positive fist thrust", "Fist-pumping" or "Fist-bump". That is one violent fist-bump. I do not know if this precise attack exists in FFVIIR.
The staff attack used by the chocobo-hoodie soldier at 01:13 is called "ドレインスフィア": Drain Sphere. This place also sports a jukebox with a brown-white-blue design.
I wonder if they will mimic Dirge of Cerberus and have the jukebox act as a shop, rather than following FFVIIR's logic and actually having it for *gasp* music.
My headcanon had always been that it was Aerith who ripped up the floor boards in the church and tended to the flower bed, so I'm not fond of seeing this flower bed present.
The shot from the upper part of the church is neat. The horizon shows a huge amount of greenery and there is none of the scrapyards present that we know from 30 years later. A sign of hope for the design of these maps.
Willing to bet that the red barrels are explosives. Every shooter has got to have explosive drum cans or barrels.
一般兵を撃破
General Soldier defeated
Shows up whenever the player character defeats an opponent.
一般兵
General Soldier
Combatants are shown to have this rank/class title. The trailer does say that you will rise through the ranks, so clearly other ranks/classes/titles will be awarded. In the Dirge online multiplayer, the rank progression was Drone -> Scout -> Trooper -> Commander -> General -> Tsviet.
伍番街スラム
地下下水道
ウォールマーケット
？？？オの館
Corporal Street Slum
Underground Sewers
Wall Market
House of ?????o
The minimap in the upper right corner will sometimes display the name of an area. It might not be the name of the full map area but rather a certain region within it. Notably none of the footage actually shows the player inside an Underground Sewer, so perhaps you'll be able to descend into the sewers at some point. Notably this area is the only one we see both in daylight and nighttime in the trailer. Maybe this was the point behind the trailer declaring the time as "16:00 PM"? Maybe the same maps will be playable at different times of day and have their lighting change accordingly.
The area name I've written as "？？オの館" is mostly obscured, though I fear the full name is probably "コルネオの館": House of Corneo. See time stamp 00:31 in the trailer. Hopefully they'll change the name by the time the game is released. Is it conceivable that Corneo had a presence in Wall Market as early as 30 years prior? Possibly, but it screams lazy worldbuilding. Let the era have unique characters and lore and make the areas feel like they weren't simply ported from the point in time when FFVIIR takes place. To their credit they've added more greenery to some battle maps, showing a more luscious snapshot of Midgar before the mako reactors had been active for any extended period of time.
The melee attack used by the chocobo-hoodie soldier at 00:32 is called "正拳突き", auto-translated as "Positive fist thrust", "Fist-pumping" or "Fist-bump". That is one violent fist-bump. I do not know if this precise attack exists in FFVIIR.
The staff attack used by the chocobo-hoodie soldier at 01:13 is called "ドレインスフィア": Drain Sphere. This place also sports a jukebox with a brown-white-blue design.
I wonder if they will mimic Dirge of Cerberus and have the jukebox act as a shop, rather than following FFVIIR's logic and actually having it for *gasp* music.
My headcanon had always been that it was Aerith who ripped up the floor boards in the church and tended to the flower bed, so I'm not fond of seeing this flower bed present.
The shot from the upper part of the church is neat. The horizon shows a huge amount of greenery and there is none of the scrapyards present that we know from 30 years later. A sign of hope for the design of these maps.
Willing to bet that the red barrels are explosives. Every shooter has got to have explosive drum cans or barrels.
Obsidian Fire
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Work was started on Midgar 30 years before the OG even back in the OG days It's part of the timeline in one of the earliest Ultimanias. So yeah, Reeve would have inherited the plans from someone.