Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Spoiler Thread)

Lumina

a pokémon.
AKA
Bayleef, Jessica
I saw Caius's fight. Dear etro. I fell in love with his Final Form. It looks so stunningly good. I don't dislike him anymore. IMO its better than Barthandeleus (Or something like that) . But sheesh... I can't believe Square pulled a Type-0 for XIII-2 too. Its just...ew.
 

Alex Strife

Ex-SOLDIER
To be completely honest with you, I think I'll like Noel enough as long as he doesn't try to hit on Serah. I have a pretty strict view of love. And if Serah is all "oh my hero" towards Snow, and then changed her mind because Noel being an ass, I'd be majorly pissed.

Since, as far as I've read, he doesn't seem to do that, I think he'll be just fine.
 

Lumina

a pokémon.
AKA
Bayleef, Jessica
I don't like the fact that Snow didn't married her. As you said, I think that after the guy went "SERAHHHHHH" for 150 hours straight, left New Bodhum to search for her sister while everyone else thought she was crazy, it will be completely out of place that Serah ended, or had some kind of attraction with Noel. True that those two look more couple-y than Snow/Serah, but I got to admit that Snow did a lot of stuff for her. Stuff no one else did, not even her sister.

EDIT:
This creeped me out more than Serah's unfortunate events. And then, with the bells tolling in the background... too much
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Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
is it terrible that i was just like, "wow lightning looks super hot on that throne unf wait she was stone???????"

also re: snow/serah/noel well er

snow slept in a separate bed for two years, ditched her for one year, and then upon meeting her was quick to tell her their engagement was on hold

the woman is a free agent far as i'm concerned
 

Lumina

a pokémon.
AKA
Bayleef, Jessica
is it terrible that i was just like, "wow lightning looks super hot on that throne unf wait she was stone???????"

Lol, no. Its not. I thought so too. I thought she never looked more hotter.

And I'll just pass on the topic of Snow/Serah/Noel.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
EDIT:
This creeped me out more than Serah's unfortunate events. And then, with the bells tolling in the background... too much
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Yeah, this ending was a bit of an enigma to me.

We're in the spoiler section, so I don't know why we're doing the spoilers, but...
Lightning looks dead. She's crystallized and petrified, but she looks like she didn't even survive that
.

Though, I figured this out - Valhalla IS NOT destroyed. It seems like it is rebuilt by the swirling black mist/smoke and the golden 'Etro's Alphabet' bands.

But then again, time was rewound right?
 

Lumina

a pokémon.
AKA
Bayleef, Jessica
^^^The image is too big and not having it under "spoiler" might cause problems to users with low connections.
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
Can time rewind in Valhalla? I had a feeling that it just doesn't work that way there.

As far as Snow/Serah/Noel: I don't ship any of em tbh, I don't have an emotional connection to their romantic connection. But if I had to throw my weight against a pairing it'd be Snow/Serah. I had to sit through a nauseating display of affection between the two in the first game, they might as well seal the deal. Also, in general, I sort of like the idea of a strong, secure relationship that doesn't overwhelm the story or go through huge WILL THEY WONT THEY moments. It's like- yeah it's there, yeah they love each other, no I'm not making it a focus of the game. On the other hand, I feel like it's underdeveloped compared to the rest of the relationships explored in game. That and I think one of the reasons why Noel-Serah works so well is because they never introduce the romantic element in it.

But whatever, I'm not even going to bother with the ship wars in this game, I don't care that much about them.
 
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Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
Splintered said:
But whatever, I'm not even going to bother with the ship wars in this game, I don't care that much about them.

Are you sure? I bet we can get at least 3 topics worth of discussion in this. :awesome:
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
So the wikia has a list of the endings out

  • After Caius is dead, Serah, Noel and Mog return to Pulse at 700 AF, where Buniberzei has awakened, signifying the door to the Invisible World being found. After Serah thanks Noel, she has a vision, then abruptly faints. Noel weeps for her as Hope arrives from Academia to greet them. However, in mourning, the world suddenly goes dark and Mog dies. Snow gets killed trying to find Serah. Noel remembers Caius's warning about Etro to them, previously thought to be a bluff. Buniberzei and everything on Pulse begins to emit Chaos as a giant seal opens in the sky. Valhalla appears with a somehow intact Etro's shrine, and a petrified/crystallized Lightning is seen sitting on Etro's throne. The words "To be continued..." are the last screen.
    • After obtaining all paradox endings and 160 Fragments, a secret ending, "A World Without a Goddess", plays after the end credits. It shows Caius sitting on Etro's throne from which he leaves and uses Ragnarok, causing Chaos to emerge, wanting to create a new world without Etro. This scene also alters the opening scene where Caius is seemingly shown talking to the player.[8]
Paradox Endings Edit


  • Noel and Serah use magic to disguise themselves as Microchu and Miniflan in order to remain unnoticed while they prepare a poisonous pudding to kill the evil King Flandragora in the Sunleth Waterscape. There is a special track for this on the soundtrack called Fight Pudding with Pudding.
  • Noel replaces Caius as the new Guardian of Time, and floats through the Historia Crux.
  • Snow appears in Academia and stops Alyssa from tricking Serah and Noel into going to Caius's trap, before flying off with Serah and Mog on Shiva as Noel and Hope look on.
  • Serah enters an eternal dream, where she remains with Lightning, Snow, and the members of NORA in New Bodhum.
  • Serah, Noel and Yeul are trapped in the destroyed New Bodhum, looking for a way out.
  • Serah and Noel find a crystallized Vanille in Oerba.
  • Serah and Noel are modified by the demi-fal'Cie Adam to serve as guards in Augusta Tower.
  • Serah and Noel are battling Atlas in the Archylte Steppe.
I must have missed a few things.

The awakening of Buniberzei makes me doubtful of the timeloop theory. I don't know where they got his awakening from, although I am sure I heard Hope say his name. That's a major game changer there so it's one of the reasons why I doubt it'll finish through dlc.

But I don't remember where Snow gets killed trying to find Serah. Did I miss something?
 

Scias

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Vega, Kyle Hyde
Noel and Serah use magic to disguise themselves as Microchu and Miniflan in order to remain unnoticed while they prepare a poisonous pudding to kill the evil King Flandragora in the Sunleth Waterscape. There is a special track for this on the soundtrack called Fight Pudding with Pudding.

Puddi puddi?
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
That's not the real Buniberzei though. That's just a human named recreation of Cocoon.

Actually, I don't like how Hope and his crew are messing around with things...
 
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The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
so there's no Fanille in this game? :sadpanda:

The two of them appear briefly, but not in any way that we really want to see.

looney said:
what about lightning is there a good amount of lightning?

About as much of her as there is of non-mopey Cloud in the Compilation. =(

I'm not going to buy this game, but I'd definitely rent it to see if I like it.

I considered that even after finding out what a waste of time it is, but no. Not even that for me. =( I'm taking a moral stance on this one.

the story so far from what i've gathered/read is actually....less convoluted than what i expected from an ff time travel game (maybe cause toriyama didn't write it l o l). it's pretty straightforward so far and i didn't need anyone to pull up a datalog to explain what was happening.

Yeah, it's easy enough to understand. It's just not that interesting, sadly.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
If anyone is interested, here is
posted by JL Lee at gamefaqs. it's long lol but interesting:

Having cleared the main story (NOTE: I have not reached the Secret Ending yet, and am in no position to reach it yet), read through the Fragment log and read/listened to the entire story, I am somewhat confident to lay it all out so as to make things less convoluted.

To those who have cleared the story as well, please correct any mistakes that I may have made in the process.

Let's start with how it all began...

Lightning

At the end of Final Fantasy XIII, Vanille and Fang sacrificed themselves to prevent the fall of Cocoon, which would have led to a major Catastrophe on the surface of the planet. Their objective complete, they began their endless sleep as crystals, as SHOULD HAVE BEEN for everyone else, seeing as L'cie would turn into Crystals once their original goal was complete.

However, the Goddess Etro, at the very last second, saw fit to use her compassion for the six heroes and the One who led them to it (+1 little boy) and released all of them (sans Vanille and Fang of course). However, what should have been the correct ending suddenly opened up a new frightening danger: The opening of the Gate to the Other World. By using her power directly to intervene, Etro consciously opened up a path leading to her world Vallaha, pulling Lightning into it.

Causing Lightning to be erased from existence.

At this point of time everyone's memories have been altered to think that Lightning was also imprisoned within the crystal pillar, but Serah, having been touched by the Goddess as well, retained her memories, and knew that something was wrong.

Enter.

Noel

Literally the last man on the planet, he is the sole remaining survivor of a desolate world, during AF (After Fall) 700. His race was the same race as the ancients, the Seers. Yet among his race, only one girl, Yuel, had the ability to glance into the future.

Yuel

The main focus of the entire story, a girl who, by the grace of the Goddess, was given the Sight, to be able to see a vision of the future, and with that vision, able to imprint it on a viewer so that future generations can be forewarned, and attempt to avert that future.

However, using the ability comes with a grave price.

Death.

Thus, for years upon years, centuries upon centuries, the Yuels, at the age of 15, will always get a glimpse of the future, and die thereafter. There is no escape from this "curse", and there is no way to stop her from seeing the future.

Upon her death, the body is returned to the Chaos that is trapped within Vallaha, to be reborn again as yet another Yuel so as to help the next generation.

She becomes the focal character in the feud between Noel and

Caius

The man who has lived for over a thousand years, the Protector of the Seer. There can only be one (yes Highlander) Protector at any one time, and that is because the Protector, aside from being able to be part of the Seers, has HALF of Etro's power, namely her heart, the Heart of Chaos. With it he does not age and he will be revived whenever he is killed. Each new Protector, when defeating the previous one, will have to have the Heart cut out and replace his own, in order to live and survive through time.

Caius, a man who used to be a L'cie thousands of years ago, as part of the ancient Seer race, who sacrificed himself by merging with Bahamut (the process kills the summoner), but again Etro saw fit to save him with the power of the Heart. With that, he has endured centuries of pain, tens, maybe even hundreds, of Yuels die.

His final resolve, to stop the curse by ending Time itself, forcing the Gates to open once again and let Vallaha into the world, so that time does not matter, so that Yuel cannot see the future and die again.

Why does he attempt to stop Noel and Serah then?

Because the premise of this game : time travel and paradoxes is that by Changing the Future, you Change the Past.

(Note: At this point of time Back to the Future is a good reference for everything GOOD about time travelling stories. In fact The 3rd Birthday did it quite well too. Everything from this time onwards is based on the FNC world mythology, so real-world physics does not apply)

By creating a paradox due to actions, by attempting to save the future, which was their ultimate goal in this game, Serah inadvertently creates alternate futures. Case in point, while attempting to clear the endless loop of Demi Fal'cie Adam changing the past, Serah shouts out aloud to Hope to stop the plan. An ancient Yuel sees this scene and imprints it, dying in the process. Hope sees the vision (as it was intended for him) and stops his plan, thus realigning the future into a path where they could prevent the death of the planet.

Along with every other Paradox side story (not entirely important), the Six Heroes are all brought to different time periods and worlds because of them being given a new lease of life by Etro.

Lightning -> Becomes the Avatar of Etro. Once she reaches Vallaha, she is able to see all that has happened and all that will happen, and knows that it's an endless war with Caius in which he can't lose, but she can. Her only option is to rely on Serah (see below) and Noel, who knows the future, and is able to guide Serah towards a different future.

(Note: Again, via any time-travelling logic, whenever they change the future, Noel technically should disappear since he should not exist, and everone's memories should have been heavily altered, but hey, that's going way beyond Paradoxes, so don't think too hard about it)

She becomes the guiding light for Serah to change the world and lead it to a better future, since she has transcended time, but due to Caius manipulations and ability to move in and out of Vallaha, she is eventually defeated right at the onset of the war (see: Prologue)


Sazh and son -> Caught in another time/space trap, both are sent to the Casino (which also exists out of normal time and space) as well as the Colosseum. Eventually makes it out (how? Not mentioned) and is able to retrieve Vanille and Fang's crystalised bodies from the weakening pillar in AF500, the designated time where it will finally weaken and Cocoon will finally crash onto the planet.


Hopeless - Spent 10 years as a researcher, eventually rising to the top. With his assistant Alyssa, he continues his attempts to recreate a new Cocoon so as to save the people for the eventual destruction of the planet.

His first attempt was to create an artificial Fal'cie, Adam, whose awakening (and thanks to Noel and Serah's interference in AF300 and reappearance in AF400) leads it to deem all life form dangerous to its survival. Adam manages to create a time loop where it will send itself in time back to when it is activated, kill Hope and Alyssa, and create a world with Replicas and live out its existence in peace.

With that event resolved, Hope realises that a new ark has to be constructed instead, thus putting himself into cold sleep and awakening in AF400 (along with Alyssa) in order to meet Noel and Serah (as foretold) and decide on their future path. With the aid of Graviton Cores scattered throughout time (I don't understand this point either, chalk it up to gameplay I guess) he is able to create a new Cocoon, which will be operational just before the breaking point of the crystal pillar.

Thus he goes to sleep again (Alyssa cannot be found after Serah and Noel attempt to go into the future at the end of Episode 4) and wakes up in time to help the two out in their final battle against Caius.


Snow -> Goes off to find Lightning at the behast of Serah. Also gets caught in a Paradoxical time trap, and is tasked to protect the Pillar from a giant Tomato Pudding because many more normal ones are being summoned to attack the pillar. Realising that he alone is unable to do much, he employs the use of a L'cie mark (how? with whom? Fragments only explain that he managed to get one) to keep himself alive longer, until Serah comes along to help.

Once that situation is resolved, he is sent back to where he came from. Does not appear again in the story.


Serah -> She, too, is given the power of the Sight. Early on it's not fully developed, thus she gets glimpses of the future from time to time, without knowing the eventual consequence (she learns of it, together with Noel, by Episode 5). Eventually they save the future by stopping Caius and his crazy plan to kill off everyone in order to force the gate open, but at the very end of the game her Vision fully develops and she sees a future that is not told to us, and dies.

Noel -> Starts off wanting to go to Vallaha in order to get to Etro and get his point across. Slowly gets caught up in Serah's grand ideal of saving the future, in turn saving Vanille and Fang, and returning to Vallaha to find Lightning. Initially does not understand the meanings of all the Yuels (neither do we) but in Episode 5, while living in the forced Dream world, he finds out the terrible truth.

However, unlike Caius, he sees his Yuel die, but with a smile on her face, knowing that she'll see him again. He realises that she has accepted her fate, but all the while wanting to be reborn again and again because she wants to be with her Protector again. Armed with this knowledge, he faces Caius for the final time, telling him what Yuel's true intentions were.



By the end of the game, we see Caius stab himself through the Heart, thus dying, and removing the presence of Etro in the process. Of course, we are only told of this in the ending, after Serah's vision, and that Chaos from Vallaha has flowed into the real world, merging both worlds together in a Timeless zone.

Technically, Caius won.

To be continued.....

I was about to post this. I am not sure where this person gets his/her information, but... It's interesting if s/he is correct in all of it.

Again, if correct, those who were calling that Yuel had something to do with Etro are correct. She (they, 'cause there's more than one) can see the future.

The only thing is, her sight is not considered a positive thing alone. It is also a curse. At a certain age (the person who posted the information above says 15) the Yuel in question will have a vision and then die.

Caius fell in love with his Yuel, and wished to keep her from such a destiny. This is what leads him to bond with Bahamut and become the Lord of time as he is when we play the game.

The Yuel that dies in Noel's arms does so with a smile because she knows that she'll see him again. He's her protector; and, they can never really be separated.

It seems to me that it's all probable to say that Noel is Caius' future incarnation. This is my guess though. I made this guess over the fact that the article(s) did (do) say that Noel was Yuel's protector as well.

Anyhow, yeah, these are interesting details. I just am not sure where the person got the information, so I don't know how credible it is. Thanks for posting Serah.




Oh yeah, and killing everyone off - wasn't that Barthandelus' goal?!?
 
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tbh I'm really surprised with their choices in this game.

Yes, I know they wanted it to be a compilation from the beginning but after the mixed reception FF13 recieved I was expecting something a lot... less risky? Also if they are in fact going along with the COD strategy now of making games.

Seems to me when you have a game that gets both love and hate from fans (and lots of hate from non-fans) and you go to try to save things with a sequel... you don't troll people? They had to have known this was going to piss people off giving us a TBC ending rather than something that can continue but leaves us satisfied.

That's just my feelings about it anyways. I like gaming companies taking risks but in this stage in the game development age you have to be really careful about taking the right risks.
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
I feel like this clusterfuck would have been more interesting with a whole new set of characters, not the basic bitch that is Sarah.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
I feel like this clusterfuck would have been more interesting with a whole new set of characters, not the basic bitch that is Sarah.

She's a beautiful character to look at, and I think she's a beautiful character on the inside, too - but if she was real, I'd feel uncomfortable around her.

Dare I say she's a Mary Sue?

She's perfect in looks, she's perfect in demeanor, she has the sight that the Yuel's have, and everyone seems to love her (minus whatever the case is with Aryssa, as I've not followed XIII-2's spoilers that much).

As much as I'm not so-much a fan of Lighting, I can appreciate her character more because she's not perfect.
 

Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
i was gonna post something about it being dumb to judge a character fully before we even have the game stateside but then i remembered that was pointless
 

looneymoon

they/them
AKA
Rishi
nope no matter how bland or uninspired as serah is she will never be as deplorable as SNOW

think of it
this game could have been worse
snow could have been the hero

why yes i do like to pop into ffxiii/-2 threads to trash on snow i have never hated a ff character more and that's saying a lot after wakka
 
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