Final Fantasy XIII Spoiler Thread (SPOILERS)

Winter

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#53
FSDFDS I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS GAME.

So I pretty much died a miserable death in fandom terms, but then was on Youtube and found an FFXIII trailer and it was sparkly and pretty and now my fandom love has been revived. GODDAMN YOU AND YOUR BRIGHT COLORS NOMURA

Okay so I've been keeping up with pretty much everything (mostly spoilers, because I just... don't like surprises haha) and first of all I think the gameplay looks wicked. I don't really see the issue with it being "linear" because personally I don't do any of the sidequest shit unless I have to anyways. XD And by the way being linear does NOT mean it won't have replayability value. I don't do any of the extra crap in Ocarina of Time and I used to play that game all the way through at least a few times a year.

WITH THAT ASIDE the spoilers have made me giddy. The ending is beautiful. I cried and I couldn't even understand what they were saying. ;o; FANG YOU ARE SUCH A BEAST I LOVE YOU that scene when Ophan is torturing her broke my heart. ;o;

Also I got chip in and say that yeah, I thought the ending was... well, romantic. I mean, they put out there to begin with that Fang was originally slated to be a male character. WITH THAT IN MIND it's pretty clear the whole Fang and Vanille storyline was supposed to be something of a love story, but they didn't really change that much when they made her female?

idk but regardless of whether or not it was intended to be ambiguously gay, I really adored the ending. Fang and Vanille topped my favorite characters list, I can't wait for more details about them. ALSO THE SKIRT LIFTING SCENE IS WOW I am leaving a link here since it's not on Youtube as far as I can see, hurr.

click me!

Also I saw some similarities between Sazh and Barett and lol'd hard. GOOD JOB RECYCLING BLACK MEN SQUARE. I loved Sazh as a character though and d'aw Dajh is cute as hell. CHOCOBOS HEEE. Also Lightning is a pretty neat character, she made for an interesting lead. I also love Snow and Serah even if the story is a little cliche, plus Snow is MANLY and that's awesome.

Oh also has anyone seen any of the MANY slapping scenes? I keep hearing about them and have yet to find any. I'd really like to see Fang backhand Snow plz.

Also I didn't know that about Yaag's death, I knew they died but I didn't know how. That's epic, I can't wait to see.

Also THANK YOU for the link to that scene's translation! I hadn't read that until now. O FANG U SO BRAVE *u*

NO SPOILAH TAGS FOR ME
 
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The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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TresDias
#54
The hell is going on there? O__O

Not that I don't approve (FangxVanille? Now that's an OTP I can get behind!), but teh wha? That was a little unexpected.

We go straight from Vanille's hand totally all over Fang's boob to that? Whoa. Right now it's looking pretty goddamn blatant. XD

I'm going to try translating what Fang said in a second. Maybe it's all out of context somehow. XD Maybe. XD

Like Vines said:
Also I saw some similarities between Sazh and Barett and lol'd hard.
Quite a few similarities, actually. Both even lost their wives three years before the game. :monster:

Like Vines said:
put it all in a spoiler tag because I don't know what all is considered spoilers and also because I'm SUPER LAZY. :awesome:
Thread title is marked as containing spoilers, so you don't have to tag anything. :monster:
 

The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
#55
Okay, when Fang lifted her skirt, she said "There's still time." Must have been checking her l'Cie mark.

Still, the subtext to that whole presentation is pretty damn strong.
 

Winter

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oddishness, like vines, azula, femshep, winter
#56
TresDias said:
The hell is going on there? O__O

Not that I don't approve (FangxVanille? Now that's an OTP I can get behind!), but teh wha? That was a little unexpected.

We go straight from Vanille's hand totally all over Fang's boob to that? Whoa. Right now it's looking pretty goddamn blatant. XD

I'm going to try translating what Fang said in a second. Maybe it's all out of context somehow. XD Maybe. XD
Apparently Fang is checking Vanille's L'Cie mark, it's on her ass. :awesome: (I wonder how she knows where it is lololol) I don't know what she says but I know that's what she's doing. XD

EDIT you beat me to it! XD

Square makes this way too easy for me to ship, let me tell you what. I think they hug like six times in this game. And they love yelling each other's names', I keep hearing FANGUUU and VANIRAAAAA

it's sort of adorable


Quite a few similarities, actually. Both even lost their wives three years before the game. :monster:
AHAHA A+ now I'm waiting for Sazh to leave Dajh with Lightning while he searches for alternative energy sources. :monster:


also I un spoiler tagged my post now haha, thank you!
 
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Neutron Ronnie

From The Front of Armament
AKA
Powerslave
#58
The hell is going on there? O__O

Not that I don't approve (FangxVanille? Now that's an OTP I can get behind!), but teh wha? That was a little unexpected.
That's funny... I didn't think that was suggestive, in any way. :monster: I guesss it's because she looked so worried.
 

Winter

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oddishness, like vines, azula, femshep, winter
#59
TresDias said:
We go straight from Vanille's hand totally all over Fang's boob to that? Whoa. Right now it's looking pretty goddamn blatant. XD
Ahaha I caught that too, she was coppin' a feel. Nice hand placement Square, nice.

That's funny... I didn't think that was suggestive, in any way. :monster: I guesss it's because she looked so worried.
Next time I'm in a crisis I'm just gonna stick my hand up my BFF's skirt and see what happens.

:awesome:
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
#61
Still, the subtext to that whole presentation is pretty damn strong.
What subtext? That's not subtext, that's TEXT honey. You've got two female characters, one grabs the other's breast, then she turns around so the other can lift her skirt to look at her thigh, and they
die holding hands
.

Seriously, all the fucked-up fan pairings aside, could this actually be making a case for the first canon FF homosexual pairing? I await someone to bring up Clack or Clephiroth
 
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Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
#63
Seriously, all the fucked-up fan pairings aside, could this actually be making a case for the first canon FF homosexual pairing?
I say yes, in all seriousness. It's pretty exciting! Fang was originally a male character, and I like the fact that they decided to keep her story the same once they decided to make her female. And think about it, if she was still a boy, would people even be questioning her relationship with Vanille? It seems to me so far that it's only the fact that it's two women that people are insisting "girls just act like that" with each other and...no, not unless they're fucking, they don't.

The ending alone screams canon. I mean, it's the epitome of every cliche anime romance ending. Not to mention there's romantic music when they embrace, the casual but intimate touches they share, the really gay stuff Vanille narrates about Fang...I'd say it's pretty obvious.
 

Neutron Ronnie

From The Front of Armament
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Powerslave
#64
Are people really questioning it? For the record, I'm not - I merely pointed out that I didn't find that particular bit in the video romantic or suggestive - possibly, I wouldn't have even if it was a guy, simply because of the sense of urgency with which it was done. :monster:

Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. People will twist - and deny - anything to fit what they want, even stuff between heterosexual couples.
 
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Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
#65
Not you, Ronnie. I've been to a few other forums where that was the case, though.

And then there are people trying to pair Vanille with Hope, which...what the hell?
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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TresDias
#66
What subtext? That's not subtext, that's TEXT honey.
You're right. XD

DrakeClawfang said:
You've got two female characters, one grabs the other's breast, then she turns around so the other can lift her skirt to look at her thigh, and they die holding hands.

Seriously, all the fucked-up fan pairings aside, could this actually be making a case for the first canon FF homosexual pairing?
I think it may well be. It's certainly as strong a case as has ever been made, at any rate.

DrakeClawfang said:
I await someone to bring up Clack or Clephiroth
But second to these, of course!

I saw you hiding that text there. :P

Zee said:
And think about it, if she was still a boy, would people even be questioning her relationship with Vanille?
No, they absolutely wouldn't be.

And, hell, we can say that with confidence without even having the benefit of seeing most of the dialgoue in English yet!

Zee said:
It seems to me so far that it's only the fact that it's two women that people are insisting "girls just act like that" with each other and...no, not unless they're fucking, they don't.
Okay, this line may have to go into my sig.

Zee said:
The ending alone screams canon. I mean, it's the epitome of every cliche anime romance ending. Not to mention there's romantic music when they embrace, the casual but intimate touches they share, the really gay stuff Vanille narrates about Fang...I'd say it's pretty obvious.
Not to mention how we get shots of the other characters' reactions to them in this clip and the upskirt one, as though they know what's going on.

In addition, the way they run up to each other and stop in that first clip? The direction of the scene? This including the reactions of the other team members -- a "What's about to happen? Are they gonna kiss?" kind of reaction.

Classic cinematic language for certain feelings being in play.

Neutron Ronnie said:
Are people really questioning it? For the record, I'm not - I merely pointed out that I didn't find that particular bit in the video romantic or suggestive - possibly, I wouldn't have even if it was a guy, simply because of the sense of urgency with which it was done.
I think it's more the fact that Vanille let her do it that's an indication of what's going on between them. XD

Zee said:
And then there are people trying to pair Vanille with Hope, which...what the hell?
Yeah, having now watched most of the cutscenes, I've got to say I can't see that at all.

Like Vines said:
Next time I'm in a crisis I'm just gonna stick my hand up my BFF's skirt and see what happens.

:awesome:
Either she slaps you and walks off or she slaps you and things get frisky. Do keep us updated on how this progresses!

And, as always: pics or it didn't happen.

By the way, LV, see the very end of this post for something special just for you.

Thank you! :D

Yep, the man has class.


By the way, guys, it would appear that the person who uploaded the video that Like Vines gave us has uploaded what is essentially a complete playthrough of the entire game (only missing some level-whoring and dungeon crawling):

http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/

Some highlights below, put behind a spoiler tag to keep the post from looking so damn long.

Hope's mother and most of Team Nora die:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/10/

Lightning is a badass:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/12/

Serah becomes a crystal:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/21/

Everyone realizes they've been marked as l'Cie (end of first video, beginning of second; this confirms that Vanille's mark is on her upper thigh; Snow seems to like what he sees, as do I):
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/25/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/26/

Lightning is still a badass -- and Vanille is fucking adorable:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/29/

Scene of the team trying to free Serah from her crystal:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/32/

Shiva Sisters' first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/41/

Odin's first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/58/

Awesome sequence, primarily of Snow also being a badass:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/95/

Brynhildr's first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/131/

The scene where Yaag confronted Snow in the final trailer is in these videos:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/118/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/119/

Infamous Vanille side-boob is in this video:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/136/

Jihl dies at the end of this one (her death really is as lame as we've been hearing):
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/146/

Dog fight with Yaag:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/150/

Cid showing up Lightning by taking her weapon is in this one:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/155/

The fight against Cid in his regular l'Cie Corpse and winged forms:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/156/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/157/

Bahamut's first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/160/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/161/

Freefall to Gran Pulse (this is from the final trailer), followed by a scene involving a Chocobo that will haunt many of you forever:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/163/

Alexander's first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/165/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/166/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/167/

Hecatoncheir's first appearance:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/174/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/175/

The "meet her" scene from the final trailer is in this one:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/181/

Lightning's real name is revealed as "Eclaire":
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/193/

Cid Raines returns:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/197/

Really awesome sequence of fights and monsters invading Eden, capital city of Cocoon (basically, it's Esthar from FFVIII):
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/198/

More of Lightning being a badass -- also, we see the team drop in to fight in a manner reminiscent of the Deep Eyes from FF: The Spirits Within:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/199/

Rygdea kills Cid for good (you'll be surprised at what point this happens; like, really surprised; I know I was; it's a scene we'd already seen):
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/201/

Last appearance of the surviving Team Nora members:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/208/

Extended clip of Yaag sacrificing himself to cover the team's escape:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/215/

Entering the final dungeon:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/216/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/217/

Chocobo Pools area:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/219/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/220/

Final chain of cutscenes and battles begins here:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/227/

End credits:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/239/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/240/

Oh, and just for Like Vines:
Like Vines said:
Oh also has anyone seen any of the MANY slapping scenes? I keep hearing about them and have yet to find any. I'd really like to see Fang backhand Snow plz.
Just before three minutes into this video, as he tries to go after Serah's crystal form:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/64/

It's not quite a slap, but it's close.

And, yeah, there do seem to be a lot of scenes like this. Vanille slapped Hope in one of those videos I linked to above (the one ending in "10"), while Snow slapped Gadot in another (the one ending in "12"). Meanwhile, Lightning punches Snow at least three times (once in the video ending in "21" and two more times in the video ending in "32"; she also puts her sword in his face here), then we have the scene just now with Fang and Snow.

Yeah, it's going on quite a bit. :monster:
 
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DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
#67
I think it may well be. It's certainly as strong a case as has ever been made, at any rate.
Yeah, I've seen ones like AerithxTifa, CelesxTerra and more, but there's actual scenes that seem to indicate a real relationship here. And I agree with the sentiment that if Fang was a guy, there'd be no question their relationship was romantic.
 

Zee

wangxian married
AKA
Zee
#68
Meanwhile, Lightning punches Snow at least three times (once in the video ending in "21" and two more times in the video ending in "31";.
rotfl Lightning has bigger balls than most Final Fantasy men, I love it.

Not to mention how we get shots of the other characters' reactions to them in this clip and the upskirt one, as though they know what's going on.

In addition, the way they run up to each other and stop in that first clip? The direction of the scene? This including the reactions of the other team members -- a "What's about to happen? Are they gonna kiss?" kind of reaction.
Yeah, they all look on like "Aww, how sweet!"

Also, after the upskirt part, you can see Fang poke Vanille on her forehead. It's too cute. : )

Yeah, I've seen ones like AerithxTifa, CelesxTerra and more, but there's actual scenes that seem to indicate a real relationship here.
As much as I ship (and joke) about Aeris/Tifa, there is certainly a huge difference here. Aeris is blunt and forward about everything, but I can't imagine a situation where she'd lift up Tifa's clothing and know exactly where a mark was on her body.
 

Winter

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oddishness, like vines, azula, femshep, winter
#69
DrakeClawfang said:
Seriously, all the fucked-up fan pairings aside, could this actually be making a case for the first canon FF homosexual pairing?
I'm with Zee on this one, definitely. She pretty much said everything I wanted to say -- especially that if Fang were a male, nobody would question this. Not even for a second.

Neutron Ronnie said:
Are people really questioning it? For the record, I'm not
I love hearing this, seriously. Like... based on how many people have said "hey this is a little gay" I know I'm not alone, but it's always good to know I'm not reading too far into things. XD

TresDias said:
And, hell, we can say that with confidence without even having the benefit of seeing most of the dialgoue in English yet!
I know right! I'm really curious to hear what they have to say to each other (outside of what I already know, most of which is extremely sweet). I do worry a little bit, though, that they'll try to pull some sort of make-sure-this-flies-under-the-radar bullshit and have them randomly spew about how WE ARE LIKE SISTERS SEE? I really don't want the Americanization to wreck this. ;;

Here's a translation of some of the dialogue at the end of the game:
click me!

Not to mention how we get shots of the other characters' reactions to them in this clip and the upskirt one, as though they know what's going on.

In addition, the way they run up to each other and stop in that first clip? The direction of the scene? This including the reactions of the other team members -- a "What's about to happen? Are they gonna kiss?" kind of reaction.

Classic cinematic language for certain feelings being in play.
Ooooh that first one was new to me! Haha they really do love crying out each other's names and running towards each other. You're right though, everyone around them could see it. :desu:

And yeah, in the upskirt scene they're actually EMBARRASSED to see Fang looking up her skirt (they all sort of turn their heads and one of them is like WOAH) which makes it seem like the gesture was unexpected and a little more than friendly.

TresDias said:
I think it's more the fact that Vanille let her do it that's an indication of what's going on between them. XD
Ahaha seriously! She's like "oh okay why are you looking at my ass this time"

TresDias said:
Zee said:
And then there are people trying to pair Vanille with Hope, which...what the hell?
Yeah, having now watched most of the cutscenes, I've got to say I can't see that at all.
u guise they rode a flying thing together when they didn't know each others' names IT WAS TRUE LOVE

TresDias said:
Either she slaps you and walks off or she slaps you and things get frisky. Do keep us updated on how this progresses!

And, as always: pics or it didn't happen.
I WILL KEEP YOU GUYS POSTED. :awesome:

TresDias said:
Oh, and just for Like Vines:
Like Vines said:
Oh also has anyone seen any of the MANY slapping scenes? I keep hearing about them and have yet to find any. I'd really like to see Fang backhand Snow plz.
Just before three minutes into this video, as he tries to go after Serah's crystal form:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/Gamin...es/videos/181/

It's not quite a slap, but it's close.
Ahaha I love Lightning! I like how he barely notices he's been punched in that first one. She's gotta hit him like she means it, like the slap she gave Fang.

Thanks for all the videos! I am bookmarking all of these for later when more translations are around.

TresDias said:
And, yeah, there do seem to be a lot of scenes like this. Vanille slapped Hope in one of those videos I linked to above (the one ending in "10"), while Snow slapped Gadot in another (the one ending in "12"). Meanwhile, Lightning punches Snow at least three times (once in the video ending in "21" and two more times in the video ending in "31"; she also puts her sword in his face here), then we have the scene just now with Fang and Snow.
In-party violence will now become a trend for each Final Fantasy to come. We all knew XIII would be groundbreaking, we just didn't know HOW.

Also Fang backhands Snow! I guess he mouths off to her and she's just like BAM. She's so ballsy. *u*

Zee said:
Also, after the upskirt part, you can see Fang poke Vanille on her forehead. It's too cute. : )
hee I caught that! hnnggg why have I watched this scene so many times already ahaha. I love how the ROMANTIC PIANO MUSIC comes on too.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I find this really amusing:


Check out the necklace. Yes, those are rainbow beads.

I highly doubt the meaning carries over from Western culture to Japan, but I find it to be hilariously ironic.
 
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aniron

it's me in a labyrinth
AKA
spirit chaser
#70
Yaag dies? Rains dies? Fang dies? Vanille dies? ...
WTF. I don't want this game anymore... :huh::no:
 

Winter

8ad 8r8k
AKA
oddishness, like vines, azula, femshep, winter
#71
Yaag dies? Rains dies? Fang dies? Vanille dies? ...
WTF. I don't want this game anymore... :huh::no:

Well, to be fair, Fang and Vanille aren't really DEAD.
They're technically just crystals, but nobody's really sure if they're ever going to be un crystallized.
 
#72
It would be one hell of a tag line.

"Final Fantasy XIII: We got lesbians".

Then we kill them.

Also...does the butch one have a mullet?
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
#73
It would be one hell of a tag line.

"Final Fantasy XIII: We got lesbians".
They should go with it.

Well, to be fair, Fang and Vanille aren't really DEAD.
They're technically just crystals, but nobody's really sure if they're ever going to be un crystallized.
I'm curious as to what prompted you to tag the crystal part but not the other part. XD
 
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