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lithiumkatana17
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A heartfelt apology from D&D for Sunday's episode:
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Yes, yes, yes. Part of the problem is that D&D are just not even remotely in the same league as GRRM. There are things that they've changed from the books that have been better than the original material because they genuinely thought about what would work better. Tywin/Arya interactions in season 2, getting to actually see Drogo's amazing fighting abilities instead of the take our word for it of the book, Ned and Jaime getting a fight scene, Margaery's expansion in particular was basically universally loved by book fans. Unfortunately for every good change D&D do there seem to be three not good or bad ones along with it. Dany's storyline in season 2 especially Doreah's betrayal that somehow made even less sense when it was explained, Jeyne getting changed into Talissa (?) and that whole stupid romance with Robb, Tysha, Loras is gay and that's it, about 90% of season 5 etc.
Then there's the unnecessary amounts of violence against women and the rape scenes that weren't in the books that are mostly there just for shock value. Then there's the Dorne train wreck, that at this point looks like it was butchered on purpose. And Stannis Ron the Death Eater treatment by the show since David admitted he hated Stannis in the books. That whole situation was ridiculously stupid, bringing your wife and daughter to a battle, the "20 good men" bullshit.
Then there's the unnecessary amounts of violence against women and the rape scenes that weren't in the books that are mostly there just for shock value. Then there's the Dorne train wreck, that at this point looks like it was butchered on purpose. And Stannis Ron the Death Eater treatment by the show since David admitted he hated Stannis in the books. That whole situation was ridiculously stupid, bringing your wife and daughter to a battle, the "20 good men" bullshit.
Ok I got sidetracked, the reason why I'm here is,
it was impossible not to find out about this and it sounded amazing so I had to see it and it was amazing and I cried and oh fuck so many feels. I knew this had George written all over it even before I found out it had been one of the things he told D&D from the future books. Of course George, of course you had something so heartbreaking in store for Hodor, of course it was going to be a heartbreaking backstory, of course you would make something so funny as saying "Hodor!" into something so painful. Of course you would find a way to make something so normal as "hold the door" that everyone hears all the time into something traumatizing for your fandom. I'm sure you enjoyed every second of fan reaction to what you had done to them.
I'm so happy that I live in a spanish speaking country so I never have to hear hold the door.
I heard there's a story of a fan who shared an elevator with George years ago. The fan jokingly suggested that the origin of the name Hodor came from "hold the door", and George laughed and suggested the fan was correct.
Also this.
I'm so happy that I live in a spanish speaking country so I never have to hear hold the door.
I heard there's a story of a fan who shared an elevator with George years ago. The fan jokingly suggested that the origin of the name Hodor came from "hold the door", and George laughed and suggested the fan was correct.
Also this.
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Idiot sea king
Also:
EDIT: Disregarding the fact that he was just voted in by the loudest masses.
But still, that is ONE farcical aquatic ceremony! Imagine if we drowned our politicans and then deemed them worthy if they survived afterwards!
Also:
EDIT: Disregarding the fact that he was just voted in by the loudest masses.
But still, that is ONE farcical aquatic ceremony! Imagine if we drowned our politicans and then deemed them worthy if they survived afterwards!
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I hope we see a little bit more from Euron than sexist comments and dick jokes.
Pilou Asbaek seems like he could accomplish a lot in the role if his character were allowed to be batshit insane the way he is in the books. Hopefully this is just a prelude to the madness.
Pilou Asbaek seems like he could accomplish a lot in the role if his character were allowed to be batshit insane the way he is in the books. Hopefully this is just a prelude to the madness.
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re Carlie's video, he does not look fucking amused
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I didn't really like the series' portrayal of Euron; in the books he's dude crow's eye and wears an eyepatch (the actor has two and does not look remarkable at all), mysterious, traveled the world, saw eldritch things that Should Not Be Seen, iirc blows a magic horn that does magic shit, and all in all he's a much more mystical and eldritch character. He's just this guy in the show now, his speech wasn't impressive, etc. I are disappoint. Give me my eldritch shit!
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Yop:
I treat them as two separate mediums. I don't bother trying to compare the two. I appreciate them both for what they are. Although the show does piss me off more than the books do, particularly when they are pleased with cheesy acting performances, i.e. Sand Snakes.
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Tonight's episode was totally BOMB!
And I just wanna say...
CALLED IT.
And I just wanna say...
CALLED IT.
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Game of Thrones episodes can be tough on my nerves. Today was especially rough since I already felt shattered and sensitive. This led to me SKIPPING PAST two minutes of today's episode. This is the first time through all the seasons when I have just gone "NOPE" and skipped the scene, instead of watching short bits over a period of many hours so to spare my nerves a bigger shock.
What scene am I talking about? Oh I think you know. The dinner of Samwell's homecoming. The awkwardness was more than I could handle, so I skipped two minutes until I got to the point where Samwell's father started talking directly to his son.
Nothing is worse than tension and awkwardness at a dinner table. It is the greatest horror GoT could possibly supply us with!
Seeing Samwell receive all that mental beating was not easy. I think his character has the ability to speak up against his father. He has grown a lot stronger now since Season 1 after all. But for fear of not getting Gilly and Sam a home he had to keep shut. The pain of the scene is somewhat alleviated by Samwell's mother showing support, albeit very late, and leaving the dinner table in protest against Samwell's father.
I can understand why Sam in the end decided to not leave Gilly and her boy in that place. Having the "bastard boy" raised by Sam's father? What a terrible fate.
But just like when Sam overestimated himself on the Wall when he tried to defend Gilly and instead got beaten badly, so do I think Sam lets himself become too cocky by taking the Valyrian steel sword Heartsbane from his father. This could very well be Sam's death sentence. Randyll Tarly will either kill Sam himself or send hunters or assassins to retrieve the sword and kill Sam. There's no way he is going to let such a huge offence slide without bloodshed.
Game of Thrones and ASoIaF likes to emphasize that actions have consequences. Sam stealing the sword just screams at me that he will have to suffer the consequences. Perhaps before this season is over, I believe Sam will die. The question however is if he will be able to find a safe spot for Gilly and the baby boy, or if they will die with him.
What scene am I talking about? Oh I think you know. The dinner of Samwell's homecoming. The awkwardness was more than I could handle, so I skipped two minutes until I got to the point where Samwell's father started talking directly to his son.
Nothing is worse than tension and awkwardness at a dinner table. It is the greatest horror GoT could possibly supply us with!
Seeing Samwell receive all that mental beating was not easy. I think his character has the ability to speak up against his father. He has grown a lot stronger now since Season 1 after all. But for fear of not getting Gilly and Sam a home he had to keep shut. The pain of the scene is somewhat alleviated by Samwell's mother showing support, albeit very late, and leaving the dinner table in protest against Samwell's father.
I can understand why Sam in the end decided to not leave Gilly and her boy in that place. Having the "bastard boy" raised by Sam's father? What a terrible fate.
But just like when Sam overestimated himself on the Wall when he tried to defend Gilly and instead got beaten badly, so do I think Sam lets himself become too cocky by taking the Valyrian steel sword Heartsbane from his father. This could very well be Sam's death sentence. Randyll Tarly will either kill Sam himself or send hunters or assassins to retrieve the sword and kill Sam. There's no way he is going to let such a huge offence slide without bloodshed.
Game of Thrones and ASoIaF likes to emphasize that actions have consequences. Sam stealing the sword just screams at me that he will have to suffer the consequences. Perhaps before this season is over, I believe Sam will die. The question however is if he will be able to find a safe spot for Gilly and the baby boy, or if they will die with him.
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The thing we saw coming over seven thousand miles away finally happened: Arya refuses to kill a person she deems innocent and now she is on the run from the Faceless Men and Nellie-from-Little-House-on-the-Prairie-but-she-is-also-armed-with-a-stick. Arya's defection is an example of where her choice is very obvious from the perspective of the audience, so much so that it seems odd Jaqen H'ghar hadn't already tossed Arya aside. Did he even believe for one second that Arya would complete the assassination on the actress?
Even though the faceless men are supposed to be detached, Jaqen H'ghar reveals himself by asking from The Waif (or Ms Nellie, as I like to call her) that Arya should not suffer when she is put to death. Nellie smiles like "Yeah, right, that's tooooootally how I'm going to kill her *cough cough*"
Perhaps I have misinterpreted the Faceless Men, but the whole detached shebackle and "being noone" is such a load of shit. It seems more accurate to say that these are people of a thousand faces, but nevertheless they live into emotions and roles, such as Jaqen wishing a swift death for Arya or the Waif, an acolyte of the Faceless Men, remaining always obsessed with her hatred towards Arya. The Faceless Men switch faces and perhaps ego through perfect acting, but they are not machines. At least from their portrayal in the show.
Speaking of not being machines, one of the most profound examples of empathy was displayed by Arya in this episode. We are not at all surprised to see Arya sparing a seemingly innocent actress, but to see Arya genuinely sad at the depiction of Cersei mourning her dead son? Not only sad but Arya is the first to start clapping when Actress-Cersei's monologue is over. Arya has every reason to hate the Lannisters but in this moment Arya feels the same thing that the audience did when we first saw the death of Joffrey: A terrible person may have died but that doesn't remove the tragedy of a mother losing her son. At this point Arya is us, the viewer, back at the end of S04E02.
It is wonderful to see this display of empathy from Arya. Somehow it makes the obvious series of events later in the episode feel more rewarding and special, even though we saw it all coming from so far away.
A showdown between the Waif and Arya seems inevitable. I think Arya will survive but the question is just how damaged Arya will be after the fight. Will Ms Nellie scar Arya's face badly, as a poetic punishment due to faces being the central topic here? Will she break Needle? I'm fanfiction-conjuring here but I just have a feeling something will happen to scar Arya, before she is able to barely escape with her life.
*EDIT: I just hope that Jaqen pulling the face off from the dead man isn't foreshadowing of Arya getting her face partially flayed by the Waif. >___> **
Even though the faceless men are supposed to be detached, Jaqen H'ghar reveals himself by asking from The Waif (or Ms Nellie, as I like to call her) that Arya should not suffer when she is put to death. Nellie smiles like "Yeah, right, that's tooooootally how I'm going to kill her *cough cough*"
Perhaps I have misinterpreted the Faceless Men, but the whole detached shebackle and "being noone" is such a load of shit. It seems more accurate to say that these are people of a thousand faces, but nevertheless they live into emotions and roles, such as Jaqen wishing a swift death for Arya or the Waif, an acolyte of the Faceless Men, remaining always obsessed with her hatred towards Arya. The Faceless Men switch faces and perhaps ego through perfect acting, but they are not machines. At least from their portrayal in the show.
Speaking of not being machines, one of the most profound examples of empathy was displayed by Arya in this episode. We are not at all surprised to see Arya sparing a seemingly innocent actress, but to see Arya genuinely sad at the depiction of Cersei mourning her dead son? Not only sad but Arya is the first to start clapping when Actress-Cersei's monologue is over. Arya has every reason to hate the Lannisters but in this moment Arya feels the same thing that the audience did when we first saw the death of Joffrey: A terrible person may have died but that doesn't remove the tragedy of a mother losing her son. At this point Arya is us, the viewer, back at the end of S04E02.
It is wonderful to see this display of empathy from Arya. Somehow it makes the obvious series of events later in the episode feel more rewarding and special, even though we saw it all coming from so far away.
A showdown between the Waif and Arya seems inevitable. I think Arya will survive but the question is just how damaged Arya will be after the fight. Will Ms Nellie scar Arya's face badly, as a poetic punishment due to faces being the central topic here? Will she break Needle? I'm fanfiction-conjuring here but I just have a feeling something will happen to scar Arya, before she is able to barely escape with her life.
*EDIT: I just hope that Jaqen pulling the face off from the dead man isn't foreshadowing of Arya getting her face partially flayed by the Waif. >___> **
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Aight so more E5 stuff and questions and shit, although now I'm wondering if I mentioned it already.
Given the whole bran / hodor thing, and other instances where apparently people in flashbacks could feel Bran's presence, does that mean he has the powarz to influence people in the past? Or is it more one of those time paradox things where the how and what he does to do things in the past is already set in stone, i.e. giving Hodor his calling in life?
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My impression is that all history, past and future, is already set in stone in the GoT universe. This impression matches not only the Hodor example but also that the prophecies of Maggy the Frog have all come true. I hope the GoT universe keeps this framework because otherwise we will get some serious unsolvable paradoxes.
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Yeah, if sci-fi and everything taught me anything, it's that you don't fuck with timelines / time travel, .
Watched last episode nao, woop. They should've given Benjen black and kvlt hands at least, and didn't Coldhands have antlers too? Or am I confusing him with the Knights that say Ni,.
Interesting plot twist with the church and king thing, although given how gullible the kid is, not surprising. But in the greater scheme of things, it's a smart thing to do; it's taken me a while to process or realize it, but, the war of the kings has been over for a while now with all of the competitors dead (and without an actual major shift in power, come to think of it), and I guess the north left to its own devices (what was Bolton's relationship with the south again? iForgot). Doing the thing with the church - which has gotten rather popular with the common folk - will boost people's morale and shit.
Well, until they get a hundred thousand thousand screamers coming from one side and the undead horde from the other anyway,
.Watched last episode nao, woop. They should've given Benjen black and kvlt hands at least, and didn't Coldhands have antlers too? Or am I confusing him with the Knights that say Ni,
.Interesting plot twist with the church and king thing, although given how gullible the kid is, not surprising. But in the greater scheme of things, it's a smart thing to do; it's taken me a while to process or realize it, but, the war of the kings has been over for a while now with all of the competitors dead (and without an actual major shift in power, come to think of it), and I guess the north left to its own devices (what was Bolton's relationship with the south again? iForgot). Doing the thing with the church - which has gotten rather popular with the common folk - will boost people's morale and shit.
Well, until they get a hundred thousand thousand screamers coming from one side and the undead horde from the other anyway,
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It struck me, too, that allying with the High Sparrow was the smartest move Tommen - I mean Margaery - could make. My enemy's enemy is my friend, and all that.
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I literally screamed out 'UNCLE BENJEN!' the second we saw a glimpse of his face. I knew it was going to happen, but seeing it and theorizing it are two totally different things.
MOAR STARKS! YAY!
That pretty much sums up my feelings on that particular part of the episode.
I believe Bran's interference with young Hodor will be a one-time type of event in the story. I believe they've called it a closed loop paradox or something?
But holy fuckstick, did it open the door for an endless amount of theories, most them jibbering insane. The one that I am just sick to death of hearing is that Bran tried reaching out to a young Aerys through his greenseer dreams to prevent him from becoming insane and therefore caused him to become 'The Mad King' in the first place; one of the primary pieces of evidence being that Aerys could hear 'voices' as he descended further into insanity.
Yes, it's plausible, but that just completely fucks up everything about the story we know so far. We have enough fantasy and mysticism in ASoIaF without adding time paradoxes for ever damn event that's happened into the mix. The Targaryens were incestuous; it's pretty well known that inbreeding causes defects. Aerys was NOT the first Targ to be completely fucked in the head (see The World of Ice and Fire).
Speaking of which, I think it's totally awesome that we got spit second flashes of Aerys and his subsequent death by Jaime. I don't, however, think tht we'll get the full version of this scene, because it is in fact Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in those scenes, and it would make no fucking sense to show the full scene with older-Jaime when we've already had scenes with young-Ned from that same time period. Oh believe me, I got my hopes up too at first.
Speaking of which, screencaps from those flashback scenes at your pleasure.
IS THIS LYANNA'S BED OF BLOOD?!?!?!?!?!
Moving on: everyone seems to think that Margaery is playing the High Sparrow by pretending to convert, and Tommen being a human potato just guilelessly went along with it. Am I the only one who thinks that Margaery just drank the Faith koolaid? We've had a scheming Margaery since Season 2 for fuck's sake; I'm sick of her always having a plan. Natalie Dormer has said that her character goes through some distinct changes this season, and I only assume that becoming devout was one of them.
Wasn't expecting Jaime to be dismissed from King's Landing. I knew he would leave to take control of Lannister forces in the Riverlands, but was not expecting Tommen to give him the boot--or for Cersei to be all for it either.
So glad Arya's storyline kicked it up a notch; you could tell that Jacquen's line about death not just for the wicked and leaving the decent behind really shook her to the core. I knew she wouldn't be able to go through with becoming a Faceless Man in the long run, but that line and scene just sealed the deal. I'm interested to see how Arya's going to make it out of this one. And thank god, her storyline was starting to bore the crap out of me.
MOAR STARKS! YAY!
That pretty much sums up my feelings on that particular part of the episode.
I believe Bran's interference with young Hodor will be a one-time type of event in the story. I believe they've called it a closed loop paradox or something?
But holy fuckstick, did it open the door for an endless amount of theories, most them jibbering insane. The one that I am just sick to death of hearing is that Bran tried reaching out to a young Aerys through his greenseer dreams to prevent him from becoming insane and therefore caused him to become 'The Mad King' in the first place; one of the primary pieces of evidence being that Aerys could hear 'voices' as he descended further into insanity.
Yes, it's plausible, but that just completely fucks up everything about the story we know so far. We have enough fantasy and mysticism in ASoIaF without adding time paradoxes for ever damn event that's happened into the mix. The Targaryens were incestuous; it's pretty well known that inbreeding causes defects. Aerys was NOT the first Targ to be completely fucked in the head (see The World of Ice and Fire).
Speaking of which, I think it's totally awesome that we got spit second flashes of Aerys and his subsequent death by Jaime. I don't, however, think tht we'll get the full version of this scene, because it is in fact Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in those scenes, and it would make no fucking sense to show the full scene with older-Jaime when we've already had scenes with young-Ned from that same time period. Oh believe me, I got my hopes up too at first.
Speaking of which, screencaps from those flashback scenes at your pleasure.
IS THIS LYANNA'S BED OF BLOOD?!?!?!?!?!
Moving on: everyone seems to think that Margaery is playing the High Sparrow by pretending to convert, and Tommen being a human potato just guilelessly went along with it. Am I the only one who thinks that Margaery just drank the Faith koolaid? We've had a scheming Margaery since Season 2 for fuck's sake; I'm sick of her always having a plan. Natalie Dormer has said that her character goes through some distinct changes this season, and I only assume that becoming devout was one of them.
Wasn't expecting Jaime to be dismissed from King's Landing. I knew he would leave to take control of Lannister forces in the Riverlands, but was not expecting Tommen to give him the boot--or for Cersei to be all for it either.
So glad Arya's storyline kicked it up a notch; you could tell that Jacquen's line about death not just for the wicked and leaving the decent behind really shook her to the core. I knew she wouldn't be able to go through with becoming a Faceless Man in the long run, but that line and scene just sealed the deal. I'm interested to see how Arya's going to make it out of this one. And thank god, her storyline was starting to bore the crap out of me.
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wrt Margery, I'm sure she's faking it; I would've expected more moments of despair and the breaking point and shit, but between the last episode and this, that hasn't happened. I for one am not buying her conversion, because there hasn't been a single decision she's taken or thing she's done that was genuine. Besides, that was the only way to get out of the Sparrow's clutches without having to murder everyone and cause civil war. We'll see, next episode, it is known.
re: voices / Aerys, that does make sense, but OTOH it's probably not true because Aerys' shit is definitely backstory, he's not a main character, and his madness etc has no direct relation to the story at hand (well, besides putting the current dudes in power. But like I said, backstory)
re: voices / Aerys, that does make sense, but OTOH it's probably not true because Aerys' shit is definitely backstory, he's not a main character, and his madness etc has no direct relation to the story at hand (well, besides putting the current dudes in power. But like I said, backstory)
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Meh. Sorry Yop, not buying it.
At this point it's almost laughable, Margaery (and other characters as well) always having a plan for everything.
Reminds me of Aizen from Bleach.
'It's allllllll part of the plan.'
Bullshit.
But whether she's a true convert or not, she plays the role very well. One of the episode videos a while back showed Natalie Dormer in a new costume and it looked like she was pretty well covered. No skin showed except for head and face, no cleavage showing, etc.
At this point it's almost laughable, Margaery (and other characters as well) always having a plan for everything.
Reminds me of Aizen from Bleach.
'It's allllllll part of the plan.'
Bullshit.
But whether she's a true convert or not, she plays the role very well. One of the episode videos a while back showed Natalie Dormer in a new costume and it looked like she was pretty well covered. No skin showed except for head and face, no cleavage showing, etc.
