Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[Odysseus]

So it's become clear that the compilation is still very much on the table as far as the remake is concerned. That's got me thinking, if they were to adapt dirge's opening cutscene, where would it go? During meteor fall like was originally said, or on the same night as Hojo's defeated, like case of shinra retconned it to be?

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's going to look vastly different and probably not entirely shown. It'll be the same event yet re-done; we will see the rescuing of civilians but not the full focus of Vincent confronting Hojo and noticing he's starting the fragment program.

The style and character designs with the Remake are way different and higher quality. Not to mention the scenic direction. So you'll see the same events (like the opening of VII for instances) but done differently and directed in the Remake's style.

 

[Theozilla]

Yeah, I doubt the Remake will suddenly have a cutscene that’s switches to Vincent’s POV to after the Hojo boss fight. There will probably be a lot extra/new scenes between the end of the Hojo boss fight and the party getting back on the Highwind. But I doubt they will go out of their way to specifically recreate the Dirge opening scene, especially since it would likely be a random POV switch.

 

[FFShinra]

It seems more clear they are taking bits and pieces, not the compilation in whole. If they want to touch the travesty that is Dirge, they would likely come at it from a completely novel angle so as to A. make it fit with the remake and B. make it um.....better.

 

[Odysseus]

I figure they'd at least keep the "the party helps evacuate citizens" aspect, probably guided by Reeve. If they were going to acknowledge it at all, there could be a throw away line from Yuffie about Vincent going to investigate the cannon.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I wonder. If Vincent and Yuffie are not optional characters this time around, they ought to be down in the Crater with the rest of the party.

 

[Odysseus]

I wonder. If Vincent and Yuffie are not optional characters this time around, they ought to be down in the Crater with the rest of the party.

This is what I was talking about. Dirge's opening scene was originally meant to justify why they weren't in the final cutscene of the original, but Nojima retconned it so the scene takes place right after the fight with Hojo when he incorporated it into case of shinra.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I imagine we're going to get a much more different ending which will probably go by Nojima's writing since that came most recently and he's the one doing the writing and stuff for the Remake. It'll probably stick to how the Case of Shinra depiction goes as well.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

No more uncertainty about whether humanity survives, then. Ironic, in view of the direction our own planet is taking.

 

[Rose_of_Night]

No more uncertainty about whether humanity survives, then. Ironic, in view of the direction our own planet is taking.

Ain't it funny how relevant the plot has become irl?

 

[Wol]

I like how FFVII dealed with how we are treating the planet way before most popular media did... powerful message from a media that its still viewed superficially by regular persons.

 

[oty]

I think it was much more relevant back in 97 tho. Yes, we still have scummy corporations shitting the planet up, but also, Time Magazine put a international climate change icon, Greta Thunberg, as their "Person of the Year" (god that sounds stupid). That' a huge deal. It pretty much means that Climate change is very much inserted in the world's most influential societies as a matter of discussion.

Of course, I wouldnt say I want FFVIIR to reflect that, because that would be a very big change concerning how the original treated such matters. Even though I wouldnt strike off a potential "more updated" take, even if it's sidelined. Still, FFVII's message continues to brought up a reflection just as it did 23 years ago, which is awesome, to say the least.

 

[Theozilla]

Even further confirmation that the Compilation is canon to the Remake (and validation that the translated French interview that Nomura did years ago, that still gets quoted, was misinterpreted by so many).
https://www.vg247.com/2020/03/02/final-fantasy-7-remake-interview/

 

[Makoeyes987]

Kitase: ...W-What are you talking about? We wrote it. Yes. It's there. Why would I delete my own work??

 

[Clement Rage]

Hmm. I don't want the compilation ignored, but I hope they are able to avoid over referencing things the way BC did. Resident Evil 2 pulled off a great remake, partly because it didn't feel the need to throw in easter eggs about Wesker, Tri-cell or Las Plagas.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm. I don't want the compilation ignored, but I hope they are able to avoid over referencing things the way BC did. Resident Evil 2 pulled off a great remake, partly because it didn't feel the need to throw in easter eggs about Wesker, Tri-cell or Las Plagas.

Yeah, Before Crisis felt like those variety shows with guest stars and they flaunt them out every chance they get.

But no, the Remake doesn't do that nor would it. Kitase's basically setting the record straight as clearly as possible, over I'm assuming a mistranslated, or misunderstood question that had people thinking otherwise. I was always skeptical of it, but as he's been saying over the months, no. They're not essentially tossing their work.

... To be fair though, RE2 wouldn't have been able to reference Tri-Cell or Las Plagas because they were never discovered

 

[Clement Rage]

That's my point. I don't want them to stumble across references to Deepground or Omega because they shouldn't know about it.

 

[Theozilla]

I could see them having indirect references to them. Like if in future installments there could be vistable locations/ruins found that refer to the WEAPONS as part of the Planet's mythology, and Omega is like vaguely alluded to in them, but not like explicitly acknowledged.
Also (leak related info)

Spoiler

some of the super boss monsters are apparently escaped DeepGround experiments released after the Sector 7 plate fall. Though they are apparently only referred to as such in game data/enemy info, not necessarily explicitly by characters in the game.

 

[Clement Rage]

...sigh. So much for that.

I know it's a small thing, but that is very disappointing for me.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I mean.

It's no different than Sora encountering Xemnas the Unknown secret boss in KH1 FM, and having absolutely no clue who he was, while the contextual evidence regarding said Unknown's identity leaves it clear for us the viewer/player. It's a subtle nod and continuity reference that allows for one perceptive or knowledgeable in the lore to pick up, while also just neatly fitting within the narrative on it's own.

 

[FFShinra]

As with the original game, there will still be some changes. I'm just hoping they are changes for the better, to make the compilation less obviously welded on for Extra Importance. And hopefully less obviously out of tune with the rest of the game in terms of tone.

And I have faith now that they can do that. Salvage something of the compilation that is good while cutting out the horrendous.

 

[jazzflower92]

I hope they retcon Genesis out of existence.

 

[Pizzachu]

Angeal is a character that I really liked in of Crisis Core. So, I am willing to listen to Genesis and his poetry if that means Angeal has a chance to show up in anything -- even as an image or something minor.

 

[Odysseus]

I don't think square is going to renew their license with Gackt just to subject us to more Loveless. Angeal making an appearance I could see though.

 

[jazzflower92]

I don't think square is going to renew their license with Gackt just to subject us to more Loveless. Angeal making an appearance I could see though.

Thank goodness. Genesis is from now on non-canon. I actually think Angeal by himself could have been a good rival with Sephiroth and could have went on the run from Shinra to join the original incarnation of Avalanche.