Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[ForceStealer]

I do agree with him though that a view of Crisis Core as lacking in silliness or whimsy is inaccurate.

Hell it might have more than the original.

 

[Roger]

Chocobos are mounts, you can race them and get to other inaccessible areas, Tonberries and Cactuars are special combat encounters, and yeah you need both the talking animal and the man to fully represent the character of Reeve/Cait Sith. The fat Moogle robot does not fulfill any function, but does need to be in basically every cutscene from The Golden Saucer onwards.

Even if you believe the only reason the Moogle bot was not given a similar meaty role to Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Cid, Vincent, Yuffie, Marlene, Reno, Rude, Rufus or Sephiroth in Advent Children is because of difficulty animating fur, the fact of the matter is that like Cloud's hair, they now already know Cait Sith works just fine without it's mute lower half. They were willing to adjust Barret's cartoony dimensions for the Remake, why would this be a hill they wanna die on. What added value did the Moogle bot ever have? Disguising Cait Sith during the execution scene is the only moment that would need changing by it's exclusions. Which is fine given that Yuffie won't be an optional character in the sequence.

I'm sure the FFVII Remake will have moogles of some variety, I just don't think they are any happier about having to include this one even if from a technical perspective, they now can.

 

[ChipNoir]

Being a very large tank. That's more useful than ever in an action game.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Because the only reason Cait Sith "worked" without his moogle half is because said animation limitations of the time and the cat was a stealth character meant to squeeze in tight spaces in a wannabe shooting game.

It'd be a hill to die on because they want to stay true to the original. So there's no reason at all for him to be without it. It's memorable for a reason.

 

[Roger]

Because the only reason Cait Sith "worked" without his moogle half is because said animation limitations of the time and the cat was a stealth character meant to squeeze in tight spaces in a wannabe shooting game.

It'd be a hill to die on because they want to stay true to the original. So there's no reason at all for him to be without it. It's memorable for a reason.

It was never anywhere near as memorable as Cloud's hair, that the thing everyone mention when talking about FFVII, yet though it was virtually synonymous with FFVII, SE was willing to experiment on that front. I do not think they are looking at Cait Sith and going "well, clearly perfection was already achieved in that corner, let's translate him verbatim and move on."

 

[ChipNoir]

Well I for one deeply hope the moogle survives. The "Stealth" should be reserved for the actual ninja in the party. The moogle on the otherhand provides wonderful tanking possibilities. Just walloping through enemy ranks and interrupting abilities by virtue of just standing in the way while being immune to stagger/knockdowns.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Cloud's hair doesn't need to be exactly as it was from his 2D 1997 artwork to be close and in line with his depiction. They have stayed true to it's original look, and only updated it in terms of what the technology and graphical style of 3D animation is capable of of. If anything it looks better. If you don't think they want to keep the moogle, then please offer some evidence of the team revealing how they wish to ditch said moogle for whatever reason you're saying aside from AC and DC which has been explained. There's a difference between "experimenting" and "excising."

If the creators of the game are willing to keep the type of creatures one finds in locations of FFVII consistent to the locations of CC and go as far as try to remain consistent regarding how moogles looks between CC and FFVII (their lackage of pom poms being a deliberate design choice) then yeah. I think they do care about the minutiae, including Cait Sith and how he moves around and what he rides on.

 

[pxp]

I also wanna hear the cat shout battle orders to it in a Scottish accent on a megaphone

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Being a very large tank. That's more useful than ever in an action game.

This more than anything should be their consideration. And I imagine it will be.

 

[ChipNoir]

This more than anything should be their consideration. And I imagine it will be.

Seriously. Knockdown/stagger has been a mechanism that they've been experimenting with since X, and increasingly more involved. So after dealing with a first game where anyone except maybe Barret is vulnerable to this, and having something as solid as Cait just eat attacks and even possibly bounce enemies away would be IMMENSELY satisfying.

 

[Kain424]

It also would make his fake-out sacrifice scene more effective for that brief moment in the plot.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Now we're talking sense. Have to remember that first and foremost, this is a game, and it needs well-balanced gameplay that also offers variety.

 

[ForceStealer]

The moogle is how he, y'know, attacks. And appears to be how he produces his fortunes.

I dunno, this is a weird discussion. You can say Square doesn't like silly things anymore, which I'd say is demonstrably false, but even if it isn't, I see no evidence that they would fundamentally change the design of a character for the REMAKE.

 

[Gary Caelum]

Another thing they really need to nail is the mini-games. It was really the entry in the series that popularized mini-games in the first place. There were so many of them, I completely loved it. I'd never seen a game actually do that before. Even if looking back on it now, none of them are especially good.

 

[ChipNoir]

I have mixed expectations from Nomura in terms of mini games. On the one hand KH3 has some pretty cool ideas.

But then it has some really stupid ones like making the entirety of 100 Acre Woods just a Bust a Move clone like the 1,000 other ones on any mobile game store's front page. That was unforgivably lazy.

 

[ForceStealer]

Another thing they really need to nail is the mini-games. It was really the entry in the series that popularized mini-games in the first place. There were so many of them, I completely loved it. I'd never seen a game actually do that before.

And none of the others ever really did it again, which I always found odd/interesting. VIII, IX, and X all created a single major minigame that featured prominently, and X-2 had a host of (mostly shitty) ones, but only VII had such a variety that played as directly into the main plot.

 

[ChipNoir]

And none of the others ever really did it again, which I always found odd/interesting. VIII, IX, and X all created a single major minigame that featured prominently, and X-2 had a host of (mostly shitty) ones, but only VII had such a variety that played as directly into the main plot.

Nah. They all had a handful, though some less than others. Mind you I consider a mini-game to be any game segment where a new gameplay aspect is introduced that is limited to a set piece, and isn't just a "Press the switch" puzzle

VII: Reactor door unlock, barrel drop, vent exploration, g-bike, Fort Condor, Recruit Yuffie, CPR, Mr.Dolphin, Parade March, Rufus Send Off, Falling off Corel Tracks, Mog House, RaN Sham Bo Fighter, Arm Wrestling, Super Dunk, Coaster Shooter, Battle Arena, Chocobo Racing, Dodge the Rolling U Stones, Snowboarding, Escape the Gas Chamber, Rocket Materia Safe,

VIII: Train stealth mission, Escape the sinking prison, Triple Triad, Chocobo Forest, Balamb vs Galabadia raid, Save Rinoa (Multiple times)

IX: Theater performance, Terra Master, Frog catching, Mining, Chocobo Hot/Cold, Cid vs Hedgehog Pie puzzle, and I could argue the Festival of the Hunt might count because of the timer and point system.

X: Chocobo racing/catching, Lightning Dodge, Gagazet Mysteries. I dunno if I'd count the cloyster of trials though.

X-2:...Everything almost is a mini game.

XI/XIV: I could be wrong but these never introduce any unique gameplay for the sake of a set piece. Just fetch quests, escort missions and different battle targets that need priority.

XII: Nothing that I know of.

XIII: Pulse Mech Bowling.

XIII-2: Don't know.

LR: *Shrug*

FFXV: Fishing.

So the list has kinda dwindled over time.

 

[Makoeyes987]

All the online Final Fantasies have a plethora of mini-games. There's a lot more than just questing. FFXIV has its own Gold Saucer, and FFXI had Chocobo Racing, Chocobo Hot and Cold, and other unique event tied mini-games.

Final Fantasy XIII-2 also had a ton of mini-games, seeing as how it had it's own Gold Saucer equivalent, Serendipity. It had Chocobo Racing, slots, blackjack, poker, and chronobind. The entire manner of obtaining artifacts were made into a temporal rift mini-games with the chrono puzzles, clock puzzles, and constellation drawing puzzles, And then there were others in Academia like Brainblast, and Captain Cryptic's Confounding Quizzes. It had quite a few.

And Final Fantasy XV had way more to do than fishing. There's Chocobo Racing in FFXV, as well. Then there's Justice Monster 5, cross country racing in the off-road version of the Regalia, monster fight betting in Altissia, and of course recipe collecting for Ignis cooking.

And I don't know how you could forget X's Blitzball

Mini-games are for the most part alive and well.

 

[ChipNoir]

All the online Final Fantasies have a plethora of mini-games. There's a lot more than just questing. FFXIV has its own Gold Saucer, and FFXI had Chocobo Racing, Chocobo Hot and Cold, and other unique event tied mini-games.

Final Fantasy XIII-2 also had a ton of mini-games, seeing as how it had it's own Gold Saucer equivalent, Serendipity. It had Chocobo Racing, slots, blackjack, poker, and chronobind. The entire manner of obtaining artifacts were made into a temporal rift mini-games with the chrono puzzles, clock puzzles, and constellation drawing puzzles, And then there were others in Academia like Brainblast, and Captain Cryptic's Confounding Quizzes. It had quite a few.

And Final Fantasy XV had way more to do than fishing. There's Chocobo Racing in FFXV, as well. Then there's Justice Monster 5, cross country racing in the off-road version of the Regalia, monster fight betting in Altissia, and of course recipe collecting for Ignis cooking.

And I don't know how you could forget X's Blitzball

Mini-games are for the most part alive and well.

I tend to mentally block out X's blitzball because I hate it so much.

 

[Ite]

Just in time, they released a Cait Sith for Opera Omnia today and what do you know? He’s Cait Sith. Got the toy soldier attack and mog dance and everything.

 

[T@ctic]

well that was a dum-
well that was a useles-
well that was a conversation.

 

[Gary Caelum]

VIII: Train stealth mission, Escape the sinking prison, Triple Triad, Chocobo Forest, Balamb vs Galabadia raid, Save Rinoa (Multiple times)

I'd only really consider Triple Triad an actual game. The others are just gameplay gimmicks to break up the monotony. Although I can't even remember what you do in the chocobo forest. Wasn't there a pocket station game attached to it?

I think FF9 is the only other game after FF7 that has a good amount of mini-games. Tetra Master, Chocobo Hot and Cold (which is really 2 different games. The digging and then the treasure hunting), frog catching, and the ragtime mouse quizzes. All good examples.

 

[ForceStealer]

While a lot of those could be considered "minigames," very few of them are on the level of the likes of G-Bike, Snowboarding, and Submarine Battle. Complete with new HUDs and completely different button inputs.

 

[Kain424]

Crossing my fingers they carry over some decent variation on G-Bike. Could be a lot of fun.

 

[Ite]

Crossing my fingers they carry over some decent variation on G-Bike. Could be a lot of fun.

Even if they ported the cell phone game to the Gold Saucer, it’s still a major improvement.