SPOILERS INTERmission Chapter 2 Spoiler Discussion

[Eerie]

Knowing the symbolism behind water/rain in relation to Zack, her reaction is supposed to mean something. Zack is alive, so the sadness she'd have at the coming of the rain should be gone/never existed. Either Aerith doesn't seem to understand this connection to her feelings/senses and the rain anymore, or this could possibly be one of the things that changed about her in regards to them passing through the singularity.

I don't really think that she's meant to be sad all the time when she sees rain... The first time, she had a vision about Zack and Cloud, and it reminded her that the sky had taken Zack. That's why I always say that at this moment, she was forced to let Zack go, because she finally understood that. The second is because she indeed has a connection with Zack, and she feels that something is wrong with him, although she doesn't know what yet. Aerith doesn't know or understand things as they come; she needs to work around them a little to understand them, that's why she's trapped in a labyrinth. Because she needs to take the good route to "know things".

We beat the Whispers (I still find it super strange she knew an actual battle was coming for us to even have to fight and win) and I'm of the mind that she's lost her connection to the Planet after everything that went down. We might have to spend some time in part 2 helping her reconnect to it.

Beware, because the French translation does not convey the same feeling at all, and I'm guessing it's closer to the JP translation; Aerith says:



"This wall made of Whispers is destiny's doorstep"



"Know well... that by going past it, we all change our lives."

She doesn't mention changing themselves at all, but changing their lives... which makes sense, since they're trespassing into Destiny's Singularity. That's why Zack seemingly survives (although we know jackshit about which reality he does survive in...) and why her own fate may be at stake.

 

[grooveorganic]

(I'm about to cry... This game is truly turning into a lost in translation nightmare for me.)

Aerith doesn't know or understand things as they come; she needs to work around them a little to understand them, that's why she's trapped in a labyrinth. Because she needs to take the good route to "know things".

Your read on Aerith is a lot different from mine. I think she understands exactly what's going on but she doesn't know how to convey her thoughts in a way that makes total sense to the party just yet. Or she thinks it's too soon the info/lore dump on them that she's aware for past events. I realize she's half problem solving out loud but... it's kind of mind numbing for me. I personally don't like when characters speak in code with the expectation of people to just follow along when they can just answer in simple terms. (Sephiroth does this shit, but he's literally making more sense than Aerith to me now.)

So, until this story shows me otherwise, I'm working with the idea that she knows way more than she's letting on, and I don't just mean about og events.

I don't really think that she's meant to be sad all the time when she sees rain... The first time, she had a vision about Zack and Cloud, and it reminded her that the sky had taken Zack. That's why I always say that at this moment, she was forced to let Zack go, because she finally understood that. The second is because she indeed has a connection with Zack, and she feels that something is wrong with him, although she doesn't know what yet.

Aerith's reactions to the rain feels like two different people, and I really suspect there's a reason this scenario was repeated in what feels like a few hours later. Cloud isn't concerned about her well being in the rain the first time around, so what makes now, outside of Kalm, any different? Are we supposed to see that Aerith is more comfortable with the rain after being outside for a few hours? Is she finally okay with being out of Midgar and from up under the protection of the steel sky? Why is she happier now in the rain, in relation to Zack, if she was only holding onto the hope that he was still alive? She doesn't act like he's dead during the game. Why feel uneasy now that he's alive, but never mention being uneasy the whole time he was dead? Why feel that something is wrong about a man you think is dead at all?

This is why I think she feels off, because her connection to the Planet and that sense of just knowing things is gone. Aerith just hasn't figured that out yet. Edit: Or this is unrelated to the planet and Aerith feels knots/uneasy because she can suddenly feel/sense that Zack is alive. Like, that must be such a strange sensation right? And she doesn't know that's what this feeling is because it's new and different. Unease and knots doesn't have to be bad.

When is part 2 coming out to make this make sense?

She doesn't mention changing themselves at all, but changing their lives... which makes sense, since they're trespassing into Destiny's Singularity. That's why Zack seemingly survives (although we know jackshit about which reality he does survive in...) and why her own fate may be at stake.

In any case, I can only understand the English version, so it's all I have to work with, but thank you for showing me these differences. LOL! I like both, but "change our lives" feels a lot more... absolute. Passing through the Singularity or not, leaving Midgar to hunt down Sephiroth would change them going forward. And if we're just talking about Aerith's fate, whatever these changes are literally can't be any worse for her because in the og events she just... dies. Her fate going forward has to be better than that right?

Also, this scene and Aerith's line... is completely different from the French version. Dear god... Did they switch where some lines come up for the French version? Aerith tells the party her portal is "Destiny's Crossroads" a moment or so prior to this in the English version.

 

[grooveorganic]

That’s a good point, I think you might be onto a few things there.

Off topic, kinda, that last pic creeps me out. She looks like she’s made of plastic.

Thanks! I know I'm probably over thinking but why not at this point. Lol!

And yes! She totally looks plastic ?. I hate it and it really is amazing what light and shadow can do. Her shots in the ending scenes look super strange to me too.

 

[Eerie]

Your read on Aerith is a lot different from mine. I think she understands exactly what's going on but she doesn't know how to convey her thoughts in a way that makes total sense to the party just yet. Or she thinks it's too soon the info/lore dump on them that she's aware for past events. I realize she's half problem solving out loud but... it's kind of mind numbing for me. I personally don't like when characters speak in code with the expectation of people to just follow along when they can just answer in simple terms. (Sephiroth does this shit, but he's literally making more sense than Aerith to me now.)

If you want to see how I see Aerith, I made a whole thread about it in this forum. To me, she doesn't know everything. It's way more complicated than that. I've also been looking at her drawing lately, and concluded that it kind of... told the same thing. But the way I see it, Aerith's way of looking at the future (to me there's no time loop, it's a parallel timeline to the OG, and she draws her knowledge from the Lifestream) is more hindered than Sephiroth's (who's INSIDE the Lifestream).

Aerith's reactions to the rain feels like two different people, and I really suspect there's a reason this scenario was repeated in what feels like a few hours later. Cloud isn't concerned about her well being in the rain the first time around, so what makes now, outside of Kalm, any different? Are we supposed to see that Aerith is more comfortable with the rain after being outside for a few hours? Is she finally okay with being out of Midgar and from up under the protection of the steel sky? Why is she happier now in the rain, in relation to Zack, if she was only holding onto the hope that he was still alive? She doesn't act like he's dead during the game. Why feel uneasy now that he's alive, but never mention being uneasy the whole time he was dead? Why feel that something is wrong about a man you think is dead at all?

This is why I think she feels off, because her connection to the Planet and that sense of just knowing things is gone. Aerith just hasn't figured that out yet. Edit: Or this is unrelated to the planet and Aerith feels knots/uneasy because she can suddenly feel/sense that Zack is alive. Like, that must be such a strange sensation right? And she doesn't know that's what this feeling is because it's new and different. Unease and knots doesn't have to be bad.

Cloud asks the second time around because she mentions the roof (again, the translation in the first round was a little off, she doesn't speak of the plate in Midgar acting as a roof), so he notices and remember their chat on the roofs where she talked about that. So he's concerned that maybe she isn't that well when it's not really about that.

The rain is the important connection she has with Zack, yes. It's not a mistake that it rained when she had a vision of him (the sky is cruel in French, though I know the line is again different in JP, but it's meant to convey that), and then again that odd feeling as we're switching to Zack the second time around.

Also, you might be interested in that thread that talks about the difference between the translations.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I'm back on the topic of the connection between Avalanche and Wutai, because I've been replaying the Remake and I was reminded of this snippet of dialogue in Chapter 16:

President Shinra: I trust the narrative is intact?

Heidegger: Rock solid. The people have embraced the Wutai-Avalanche conspiracy wholeheartedly. I've almost come to believe it myself.

President Shinra: Wutai's response?

Heidegger: So far, nothing. And if those cowards do react, all the better for us and our story.

President Shinra: Very well. Then we shall stay the course.

I think it's pretty evident from this quotation that Heidegger and President Shinra have fabricated the Avalanche-Wutai conspiracy out of nothing in order to sell a renewal of the war to the public.

However - What an irony if Shinra thought they'd invented the Wutai-Avalanche connection, and then it turned out to be true!!

PS Oh hey and what if Tseng turns out to be the liaison point between Avalanche/Rufus and the 'new Wutai government'??

Wheels within wheels...

 

[Makoeyes987]

I mean, it is true. That's what Yuffie, Zhijie and Sonon are there for

Ironically, Wutai didn't respond because they already sent a "response."

And it's already established Tseng is the liaison for undead vampires. He can't be both.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Well as you know I'm of the opinion that Yufie and Sonon are acting by themselves, and are not working for the 'new Wutai government'. That's Yufie's own false narrative which she cooked up to get Avalanche to cooperate with her. I'm not 100% convinced that the high school eco-club is part of mainstream Avalanche either.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I'm not 100% convinced that the high school eco-club is part of mainstream Avalanche either.

Ouch, just trample their eco-insurgency cred some more.

 

[looneymoon]

I beat Bahamut and Ifrit. Thought Ramuh would be a breeze since I did him with just Yuffie. I am Bozo the clown.

Anyways, I was doing a bunch of air combos to dodge Bahamut's divebomb and he yeeted out of bounds and wouldn't come back lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410818779823542277

 

[Makoeyes987]

Bahamut has left the chat Combat Simulator.

 

[looneymoon]

the amount of time I spent trying to do this Top Secret battle with just the materia I had could have probably been cut significantly by grinding :/

I think I've done everything, but my play log says I'm missing 1 enemy Intel? Did I miss something or is there another secret fight?

 

[Makoeyes987]

the amount of time I spent trying to do this Top Secret battle with just the materia I had could have probably been cut significantly by grinding :/

I think I've done everything, but my play log says I'm missing 1 enemy Intel? Did I miss something or is there another secret fight?

What enemy is it?

I have a feeling that it's one of the launcher enemies that show up during Scarlet's fight.

If you beat her first phase too quickly, the other launcher enemy won't show up, making you miss the only chance to assess it.

 

[cold_spirit]

Hmmm, there's no secret boss fight beyond Top Secrets.

In chapter 2, there's that section where you pick the next enemy to fight on the moving platform. Maybe the missed enemy is there unfortunately?

 

[cold_spirit]

Maybe this will be helpful.

 

[looneymoon]

What enemy is it?

I have a feeling that it's one of the launcher enemies that show up during Scarlet's fight.

If you beat her first phase too quickly, the other launcher enemy won't show up, making you miss the only chance to assess it.

it was

 

[Makoeyes987]

So I'm really annoyed at the fact that you can't view all of the special cutscenes from unlocking or beating Weiss after getting them the first time.

I wanted to take photos of those scenes and I foolishly thought they'd play again. But they don't.

Even importing a new save file from the PS4 version of the game doesn't trigger them all again. At most you'll trigger the Weiss opening battle scene again and presumably the ending one however.... That means I'd have to beat him with my lower level file again all to just see the Hojo surprise.

Really don't know why they don't just play it again. That really sucks.

 

[Clement Rage]

Sorry for disappearing in the middle of the conversation, I hit my 'what's the point of it all' threshold and took some time away from the forums.

The things I was talking about are not more inconsequential than any of the timeline arguments that preceded it dealing with potato chip bags and wilting flowers. The reason people are telling me it's nothing to get concerned about is that they personally don't care about Dirge canon. Which is fine, but stop telling me I shouldn't care about it, its hurtful. None of the other discussion was any better, people just disapprove of me talking about irrelevant things I care about instead of irrelevant things they care about.

How many groupings of enemy does Shin-Ra have that are "something distinct and notable"? A lot.

Yes, but when the Shocktroopers or the Magitroopers show up, Yuffie doesn't feel the need to ask who they are, because she knows they're just another branch of Shinra. So she noticed something significantly different in the DG soldiers, and felt the need to ask who they were.

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But I'm doing the opposite of that? I'm saying she would have told someone -- when it became relevant as these familiar uniforms showed up shortly prior to Dirge.

Up until then, what specifically useful details would she know to tell? "Shin-Ra sure has a lot of dark secrets/experiments/combat operatives"? Yeah, no kidding. Thanks for the hot tip, girl, but we had kinda noticed over the course of All The Things trying to kill us. [/quote]

"There is a specifically very dangerous scary guy that shoots swirly black stuff in the basement of Shinra HQ, when I last saw him he was alive and in the basement of Shinra HQ. There's also a distinct unit of people that aren't SOLDIER but are enhanced like them, also in the basement of the Shinra building. Don't go down there, or if you do go armed for bear. Incidentally, Shalua, since you are specifically looking for your lost sister who was taken away to be a Shinra experiment, you might want to know that Shinra were keeping experiments in the basement, and as I work for the WRO intelligence dept, here is everything I know about Shinra secrets as a matter of course.'

The remake is a new timeline that may not follow the Compilation, sure. But we have consistently seen the Whispers act to preserve the old timeline, we know they're active in the DLC because they keep Yuffie out of 7th Heaven, and something they specifically do in the main game is kick the cast out of Deepground before they know too much.

For that matter -- and this is a question for @Clement Rage most of all -- why does Yuffie randomly decide that her former Shin-Ra executive friend, Reeve, definitely doesn't know about the security goons in the glowy suits she ran into or their Lovecraftian bondage buddy? Why does she feel the need to tell him about this when he doesn't ask her specifically if she suspects there's a secret army in an enormous secret underground facility headed up by a secret cadre of extra special supersoldiers?

And for that matter, seeing as Reeve at least knew that Shin-Ra had a program called "Deepground" -- the details of which he was told was on a need-to-know basis -- why didn't he investigate the matter? Unless he didn't believe there was anything left to investigate after the world, Midgar in particular, got wrecked? Or maybe he did, yet there was nothing to find?

I'd always assumed that, but it's actually not clear in the dialogue if the person telling him about the project was in his Shinra days or a WRO researcher who went through Scarlet's files.

There's a constant tone of shock and surprise through early Dirge. First thing Reeve asks in Kalm is 'who were those soldiers who just left', and when Vince mentions Azul's he reacts with "Azul the Cerulean Of the Tsviets? But that would mean-" before being interrupted.

He has heard Azul's name before, but that could very well be the moment he realises that he's dealing with Deepground, because
Azul=Tsviet, Tsviet= leader of Deepground, Azul directing attack of mystery soldiers, mystery soldiers=Deepground.

Even though he has seen Scarlet's file, he admits that DG are 'nothing like he expected'

Does "taking an interest" have to amount to trying to strong-arm the media at gunpoint or dictate what a group of civilian volunteers is doing? Does a former Shin-Ra executive with noble intentions really want that kind of publicity?

Well, he already was canonically suppressing the media story about the disappearances.

Actually, watching the scene again, the reporter does mention that they have recently uncovered information about rumours of experiments in the basement of Shinra HQ. Coincidence, or is that the same file Reeve was talking about discovering recently? (The other possibility is that Hojo is sending media organisations spam emails.)

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I accept that it's canon Reeve knew nothing about Deepground. Nevertheless, it's an absurd canon. It strains credulity to breaking point. Just think of the amount of electricity and mako Deepground and those underground labs must have consumed. How could the Director in charge of Midgar's mako reactors, the man responsible for Midgar, know nothing? Structurally those labs and Deepground are the foundation of the entire city. Again, how could he not know? Their existence would need to be considered in every engineering project anywhere in Midgar.

If Reeve didn't know, it's further proof that he was either utterly incompetent at his job (see "Underplate 4: failure to maintain") or he was a Mayor Domino sort of a Director of Urban Development, and there was a shadow Urb Dev director somewhere doing the real work.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Like Shinra would really keep track of their own consumption and not use it freely for whatever

They have free reign to use as much energy as they please, just like they have free reign to cut the power of the populace, control the populace, experiment on the populace, experiment on their own employees and summarily execute the populace.

Look how they treated Reeve, a fellow executive member of the Shinra Company, in Chapter 16. You'd have thought he was a fresh intern and not the head of Urban Development, a co-equal member of executive staff. Clearly the corporation and President Shinra himself don't take him seriously at all. So why would he know about Deepground? It's a "need to know" secret experimental army loyal only to Shinra.

A man who plans cities, and tries to make people comfortable doesn't need to know jack about the army that's made up of unwilling citizens of the city he's supposed to take care of.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I think you're missing my point. He may not know what's down there, but he ought to be aware that something which sucks up a huge amount of power is down there. And he'd have to be phenomenally dense not to suspect that it's something extremely sinister, especially if his fellow Directors have kept it a secret.

There has to be a limit on how much power those reactors can generate. We know there is, because the Sister Ray drained the grid. If Reeve doesn't have at least a ball park figure for the output capacity of his generators, then he's crap at his job. (and given the mess Midgar's in, he does seem to be rather crap at his job, always planning new projects, like the expressway, rather than properly maintaining what they already have. Nice guy, but still crap at his job). If he doesn't have some idea of where the power is going, of peak demand times, and so on, then again he's crap at his job.

More than one electrical engineer in the chain of command will know that electricity is being drained away to some black hole of a destination in ENORMOUS quantities. For Reeve to be unaware, we have to assume that none of his staff reported this to him, and if they did, he thought it was too trivial to investigate. Is that likely? His staff seem to like, respect, and trust him. Plus, they all live in Midgar. An anomaly like an unexplained huge power drain could prove a threat to their families. What if the cause is some hostile group, like Avalanche?

Like, how can they even build and operate a facility of Deepground's magnitude without rumours getting out, at the very least? How many people would be have to be involved in a project that size? The sheer number of labourers you'd need would be enormous, and like I said, the fact that the ground beneath Midgar is honeycombed with research labs and the holding pens of a huge secret arm creates issues for the stability of Midgar's structure that Reeve would absolutely need to know about.

I'm not saying it's not canon. I'm saying it's really stupid, poorly thought out canon and careless worldbuilding, and it all stemmed from wanting to make Reeve not only a major character but also Mr Nice Guy in DoC.

This entire problem could have been avoided if they'd located Deepground somewhere else, rather than directly beneath Midgar.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Deepground headquarters lies below Sector 0. It shares its power source with Mako Reactor 0, the largest core Mako Reactor that lies at the center of Midgar and below the surface. Deepground has existed since near the beginning of Midgar, constructed by Shinra, for Shinra SOLDIERs needing medical treatment and training, and then it merged into the Scientific Department to be a test site for numerous experiments meant to enhance and create super soldiers. It'd merely require the same number of workers, laborers and construction efforts that was used to create the giant two tiered floating city. Midgar is already an impossibility in terms of real world architectural design, I mean that's a point of a Cyber Punk dystopian fantasy city. Shinra having a secret army integrated into their corporate power and hidden as a top secret military, is no different than SOLDIER. They're just the SOLDIERs that are especially more gruesome and dangerous. And its power consumption would be directly tied to the consumption of everything associated with Sector 0, which is the entirety of the Shinra Company, its related facilities and departments. Specifically the Science Department.

Reeve's job isn't to monitor the power consumption levels of the company in that sector. It's not anywhere close to his job, and why would he add that level of responsibility to it when he has his hands full with urban planning for regular people? Nevermind the implications of him being nosey and questioning what the power consumption levels are of the entire company belonging to the President. It'd be none of his business, he just needs to make fancy houses and keep the citizenry happy.

The Scientific Research Department is given complete free reign to experiment and research anything they want, whenever they want for the sake of the company. Hojo has an entire section of the building for himself, The Drum. All devoted to Jenova experimentation which sucks up constant levels of mako to feed to Jenova. Hojo is the executive head of that entire Scientific Research division, and do you really think he'd answer Reeve's questions about what exactly they're doing to need that much mako energy?

Shinra blows up towns and experiments on civilians on the daily. You really think Reeve would have been able to figure out Deepground when the Science Department regularly kept their living body human experiments a secret from him and everyone else in the company not cleared for such info, as well?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Deepground has existed since near the beginning of Midgar, constructed by Shinra, for Shinra SOLDIERs needing medical treatment and training, and then it merged into the Scientific Department to be a test site for numerous experiments meant to enhance and create super soldiers.

So a whole bunch of people already know the facility is there. And now it's TOP SECRET, which means it's probably full of nasty Shinra experiments. I'm not saying they should know it's Deepground specifically. But many people, including Reeve, should know something pretty unpleasant is down there. They should have expected something like Deepground, something bad.

It's not his job to monitor energy consumption. But it IS someone's job to monitor energy consumption, probably quite a lot of someones' jobs, and it is also their job to report to him any discrepancies between predicted consumption based on the known requirements of the city and its population, and actual consumption, because that's a serious anomaly which indicates a major problem somewhere.

Reeve may not know the details of what goes on in Hojo's labs and probably doesn't want to know, but you can be sure he has an idea of their general purpose. He knows they're experimenting on human beings. How could he not know? Everyone knows how SOLDIERS are made. And he sits on the Board meetings: he's sitting there listening to Hojo talking about experimenting on Aerith, with a look of weary yet helpless disgust on his face.

So either Reeve already knows a nasty facility is located under the central pillar, in which case why is he allowing a TV news crew to go in there? Why didn't he deal with it asap? Or he should be aware something is not right due to the discrepancies in energy consumption figures. Why is this supposedly brilliant engineer so slow at putting two and two together? The level of ignorance, lack of curiosity, incompetence and sheer dumbness you're proposing for him doesn't fit with the rest of his characterisation. Yes, maybe before he got involved with Avalanche he was so practised in turning the blind eye that he didn't see a thing - but afterwards?

As I said before, I know it's canon. But it's unconvincing, and that irritates me. Fantasy worlds don't have to be logically incoherent.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Just because people built Deepground doesn't mean they know what it's for. That's how CIA and MI6 black sites work in real life. A construction worker doesn't just know what they're specifically building or what it's for, they just build and fulfill a contract. And considering urban legends were whispered about the existence of a research facility existing beneath Midgar, something got out. But the full extent of the truth remained unknown to most.

Reeve, Palmer, and everyone else not directly involved with Shinra's top secret projects don't have access to everything the company does. Again why would they? That certainly wasn't part of the OG, either. Do you really believe Reeve knows about what exactly went down in Nibelheim or the beginnings of SOLDIER, the Jenova Project and its connection? The original game even had the actual nature of Jenova cells and their purpose as top secret, along with what actually was housed in the Nibelheim Reactor. Not even the Turks fully knew everything because Hojo and the Science Department are completely free to do as they wish. Shinra let's that department do whatever weird science they want with Mako as long as it's of benefit to them.

And who said Reeve was an engineer? He's an architect and an executive who manages the affairs of housing, development and general welfare of the populace. Mako reactor oversight isn't his business as an "Urban Developer." Public Security are in charge of monitoring the closely guarded assets that are Mako Reactors as shown by their direct monitoring of all every Shinra Reactor and the facility answering straight to Heidegger. It's his department that's charged with overseeing Midgar and protecting it as Public Security, including all the Reactors. Which they use to even build weaponry within them.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I am specifically saying Reeve does not know exactly what happened. However, he certainly knows something happened and must have some general idea of its very dangerous nature. Regardless of whether he is an engineer by training (which it seems he must be, to design and build machines like Cait Sith) or whether he is an architect, his job remains the same. We can argue till the cows come home about which department is responsible for monitoring and controlling the power output of the mako reactors, but he certainly wasn't not-involved or not au courant with that information:

Reeve: None of that matters! The reactor's output is increasing all by itself!

Scarlet: Ww, wait a minute. That's not wise! It must cool for 3 hours or it won't work. Reeve, shut off the machine!

Reeve: We can't do that! It's inoperable!

He pulls out his cell phone.

Someone has switched the machine over to mainframe operation! We can't operate it from here.
What about the mainframe? Who!?

He turns to Heidegger.

Hey, call the mainframe!

Heidegger: Huh? Why are you giving orders?

Reeve: I don't give a damn about the details!!

My main point is this: given the nature of his job, Reeve must have known that something TOP SECRET was happening in the bowels of Midgar. Something that required huge amounts of power. In fact, he says he did know:
Reeve: As for me, I was told the information was on a need to know basis.
What did he think the information being kept from him referred to? The information on them came from Scarlet's file.
Reeve: All the intel we currently have on Deepground was only discovered recently when we came across some of Scarlet's old files.

That he didn't know precisely what it was is beside the point. He must have known it wasn't something good. This being the case, it was remiss of him of him not to deal with the problem earlier. To leave it for three years and then send a TV camera crew and 38 members of an "investigation team" to deal with it was criminally negligent.

Anchorman: Three weeks ago our crew left for Midgar.
Anchorwoman: However, the group's whereabouts still remain unknown. What really happened down there?
Anchorman: Tonight, for the first time, we bring you the final transmission received...
[Footage appears on the television screen; beneath it is the text "A television crew and 38 members of an investigation team are believed missing". The Anchorman and woman describe how, for the past three years, a door had remained sealed but was now being opened; a door leading to an area beneath the Shinra building, another of the company's secrets revealed recently. They note that there is evidence that "thousands of people had once been transported here"]

When Heidegger is this cavalier with people's lives, he is rightly condemned for it.

 

[Odysseus]

I'm still not sure that TV crew was WRO.