Makoeyes987
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And I agree that they happened in both Zack’s September and Cloud’s December, what I’m questioning is if both of those points in time are occurring simultaneously. Like I said, with an entity like the Whispers, I don’t think it’s a stretch that killing them in the present may have effects on what they did in the past. In fact, we already have that with Zack’s survival itself.
They do occur simultaneously, because it's a singularity. We witness these events unfold simultaneously as the audience. The Ultimania of FFVII-R confirms it. Why are we debating and relitigating what the Singularity location of FFVII-R is? Where was this confusion before?
Again, we don’t know if it happened simultaneously. We have a visual of it, but we don’t know if it’s meant to be taken literally.
We do, because it is a singularity of time. Past and present cross within a singularity space.
Because you’re still hanging on to the idea that Zack’s last stand and Cloud leaving Midgar are occurring simultaneously, you keep misunderstanding the explanation others already gave. Presuming that they aren’t taking place simultaneously, nothing has to happen to make Cloud freeze in place or make Zack skip ahead. Time still moves exactly as we know it to, only now we don’t know what happened to Zack in between the end of Crisis Core and the beginning of FF7.
Then why are Cloud and the others passing by Zack and a comatose Cloud?
Why did the dome of whispers explode at the exact same time for Cloud and the others and Zack?
We see this happen, so explain how it isn't what we actually witness within the game's ending.
Yes, exactly. That’s the convenience that a device like the Singularity allows if what I’m saying is true. It allows the writers to take the characters from inside the Singularity, namely Cloud, and keep the development along roughly the same path as the OG while also expanding the kind of curveballs that can be thrown our way.
You still haven't answered any of my questions regarding that being the case then
For pretty much the same reason why we’d see them if we are dealing with two timelines, to differentiate between the old and the new.
Then how can you differentiate them, if they're in the same timeline?
It's a contradictory and superfluous element then. If they're in the same space and time, why are there two?
Imagine if you will, our party is unaffected by the changes occurring outside the Singularity. We remember what Stamp looked like, a beagle right? But he’s a terrier now? When did this change happen? We specifically remember him being a beagle but he’s a terrier now, and nobody but us seems alarmed by this?
But we don't see a Terrier dog Stamp with Cloud and the others. That's with Zack.
Cloud and everyone else are associated with the original Stamp we've seen before, so why would there be two Stamps if it's all just one timeline in the end?
We remember and see the original Stamp in Intermission. So what's the point?