Least favourite Final Fantasy character(s)

[Masamune]

I hate Penelo with an unrivalled passion. She grates my nerves everytime she speaks, thank god she was only a minor character in comparison to the others.

Nonsense. Penelo was cute and mature, unlike the usual Genki Girl Squenix puts into its games.

 

[Alex]

Well really, you can't call the fact a character gets on somebody's nerves nonsense. Since that's an entirely personal feeling.

 

[Bex]

Nonsense. Penelo was cute and mature, unlike the usual Genki Girl Squenix puts into its games.

Lol? Although there is always one Genki girl in FF games (see Rikku, Selphie, Yuffie etc), you'd be wrong to place every FF female protagonist into it.
Compare Penelo to Aerith. Although Aerith may have been a mary-sue in role, her courage, maturity and general intelligence are far greater than what Penelo posesses.

Penelo was standard mary-sue in everything.
Hard done by orphaned girl and orphaned boy grow up together.
They're friends.
They get caught up in an adventure.
Their relationship eventually evolves into something more.
Both parties still don't want to admit it.

Sound familiar? OFC it does, it was actually done well by Tifa and Cloud in FF7. In fact, the only role that Penelo seems to fill successfully is the one of a standard nagger.

 

[Masamune]

Ashe is the main heroine of FFXII. Comparing Penelo to Aerith is comparing apples and oranges.

I find it hard to see why Penelo is irritating. She had a cute voice, and a mature personality (which she never forced onto people). She wasn't a memorable, developed character, but she was far from obnoxious. Oh well.

Penelo was standard mary-sue in everything.
Hard done by orphaned girl and orphaned boy grow up together.
They're friends.
They get caught up in an adventure.
Their relationship eventually evolves into something more.
Both parties still don't want to admit it.

Vaan was not living a double-life, or an experiment, or had relations with Penelo. You're taking a few basic elements and trying to make a connection.

 

[Bex]

Vaan was not living a double-life, or an experiment, or had relations with Penelo. You're taking a few basic elements and trying to make a connection.

Like how you were taking basic elements of Genki Girls and placing them onto every FF girl that isn't Penelo?

I find it hard to see why Penelo is irritating. She had a cute voice, and a mature personality (which she never forced onto people). She wasn't a memorable, developed character, but she was far from obnoxious. Oh well.

I don't play Final Fantasy for cute filler, I play it for the well developed characters. Penelo just irritated me because she was such a wasted oppurtunity.

 

[Masamune]

Like how you were taking basic elements of Genki Girls and placing them onto every FF girl that isn't Penelo?

Except I wasn't. Penelo effectively took the slot SE usually saves for that kind of character. It was a nice change not having a hyperactive 12 year-old girl in the party.

I don't play Final Fantasy for cute filler, I play it for the well developed characters. Penelo just irritated me because she was such a wasted oppurtunity.

You made it sound like it was her demeanour, not her lack of character development, which vexed you so.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Same. Quistis is more of the dominatrix and looks / acts far older than her in-game character. Possibly also because she's a 'teacher' and has a whip and shit.

That's why I'm attracted to her

 

[Bex]

You made it sound like it was her demeanour, not her lack of character development, which vexed you so.

I believed I mentioned both as reasons for why her character was such a dissapointment.
Her main purpose is to nag and moan, act as a damsel in distress and a hard-done by teenager.

 

[Masamune]

I believed I mentioned both as reasons for why her character was such a dissapointment.
Her main purpose is to nag and moan, act as a damsel in distress and a hard-done by teenager.

You said:

I hate Penelo with an unrivalled passion. She grates my nerves everytime she speaks, thank god she was only a minor character in comparison to the others.

That doesn't mention anything about her lack of character development, in fact you're pleased she wasn't given more screentime.

But whatever. I'm over it.

 

[Alex]

Except I wasn't. Penelo effectively took the slot SE usually saves for that kind of character. It was a nice change not having a hyperactive 12 year-old girl in the party.

Yeah but it was still gay seeing Square conform to its wank tradition having one annoying, moaning teenage girl in the party. The lack of backstory was HUGELY annoying, hell, even the guest characters were more integral to the story and showed more growth and character development. Penelo pretty much sums up SE right now, looks interesting for all of 5 minutes but quickly becomes hollow and annoying.

 

[Bex]

That doesn't mention anything about her lack of character development, in fact you're pleased she wasn't given more screentime.

I never said that I was pleased she didn't get screen time, but rather that she was simply irritating. However, I did say:

Penelo was standard mary-sue in everything.
...
In fact, the only role that Penelo seems to fill successfully is the one of a standard nagger.

By referring to her mary-sue nature, her inter-character relationships and subsequently her role it indicates that I was not only addressing her personality but also her part in the story ergo her character development.

But whatever. I'm over it.

Oh sorry, I didn't catch that over your unwarranted self importance.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I absolutely loathe it when people try to justify their hate by saying ___character is a Mary Sue. That is rarely, if ever, true, a majority of people who say that are just looking for a reason to say they hate the character without getting nagged at. Like "OMG ROSA'S A MARY SUE I HATE HER" or "Fucking Aerith was nothing but a Mary Sue, I can't stand her". People just say it so they can hate a character without having to think to deeply about why they hate them.

 

[Bex]

Must I again explain the reasons why Penelo fits into the Mary Sue role? Plus I believe I've explored and justified why I think this, so I'd thank you for not scorning anymore of my opinions.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Did I say anything about you? I just said I hate it when people do that, not CURSE THAT BEXY SHE'S A LIAR.

 

[Bex]

I absolutely loathe it when people try to justify their hate by saying ___character is a Mary Sue.

By referring to her mary-sue nature...

You may not have said it, but your 'loathing' was directed at the nature of my opinion. =)

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

You may not have said it, but your 'loathing' was directed at the nature of my opinion. =)

Though it's also the nature of most people's opinions that Kyrie is a sue because she dare get with Nero and Aerith is a sue because she dared to save the planet and that they hate Kagome because she's just another whiny little sue. I just hate the "Well, she's a Mary Sue!" defense, period.

 

[Alex]

Though it's also the nature of most people's opinions that Kyrie is a sue because she dare get with Nero

Don't be disgusting, fangirls don't count as people.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Calling a female character a Mary Sue is a fangirl's way of justifying their hate for said character.

That's all it is.

 

[Cthulhu]

Calling a female character a Mary Sue is a fangirl's way of justifying their hate for said character.

That's all it is.

stfu, Mary Sue, .





I just had to post that.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Penelo is annoying because she does absolutely nothing. She has no relevance to the story, no character growth, no real backstory, no personality worth noting, no nothing. She's just....*there*. If you removed Penelo no one would notice. Plus, she was just damn annoying with her Quickenings. Everyone else is creating energy fields and command bolts of lightning and fire....Penelo is spinning and dancing around, WTF?

 

[Alex]

Calling a female character a Mary Sue is a fangirl's way of justifying their hate for said character.

That's all it is.

I'd love to see the world through your eyes for one day. I really, really would.

'omg swearswearswear. this opinion clashes with my own, i quash with 'thats all there is'. lawl i adminned that discussion gud'

 

[Makoeyes987]

Penelo is annoying because she does absolutely nothing. She has no relevance to the story, no character growth, no real backstory, no personality worth noting, no nothing. She's just....*there*. If you removed Penelo no one would notice. Plus, she was just damn annoying with her Quickenings. Everyone else is creating energy fields and command bolts of lightning and fire....Penelo is spinning and dancing around, WTF?

Aerith is annoying because she does absolutely nothing. She has no relevance to the story save for Holy, no character growth, no real backstory, no personality worth noting, no nothing. She's just....*there*. If you removed Aerith and put someone else there no one would notice. Plus, she was just damn annoying with her Limit Breaks. Everyone else is chewing bubble gum and kicking ass....while Aerith is praying, WTF?

See what I did thar? That's all it is.

@Ashes

When I get a second pair of em, I'll be sure to send them to you.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Aerith is annoying because she does absolutely nothing. She has no relevance to the story save for Holy, no character growth, no real backstory, no personality worth noting, no nothing. She's just....*there*. If you removed Aerith and put someone else there no one would notice. Plus, she was just damn annoying with her Limit Breaks. Everyone else is chewing bubble gum and kicking ass....while Aerith is praying, WTF?

See what I did thar? That's all it is.

Acted like an idiot?

You know I'm right. Penelo doesn't do anything relevant to the story except get kidnapped that one time. Where is her backstory? Everyone else's backstory is explored, not hers. Everyone else has a reason for fighting the Empire, not her.

 

[Makoeyes987]

No, pointlessly bashed a character and tried to imply my subjective opinion of said character equated to a definitive testament to said character's inferiority, which is totally out of line with the narrative's portrayal.

Which I guess could be seen as idiotic to some. Since Penelo and Aerith certainly do *something* in their respective stories.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No, pointlessly bashed a character and tried to imply my subjective opinion of said character equated to a definitive testament to said character's inferiority, which is totally out of line with the narrative's portrayal.

Which I guess could be seen as idiotic to some. Since Penelo and Aerith certainly do *something* in their respective stories.

What does Penelo do then? I must have missed that, what does she do? I recall she gets kidnapped, what else

EDIT - Oh, excuse me, she's also buddy-buddy with Larsa.