How deep in delusion do you have to be to imagine yourself in another person's costume?
Reminds me of Naruto whenObito was thinking to himself in Uchiha Madara's voice
Wasn't there a scenario, discarded for time constraints, where Tifa's dress mechanics depended on the side quests like Aerith's? Or am I wrong?That's true Ody, but it still means you have to get Tifa's resolution at least once, you have no choice but to get it. It's the mechanism that is fascinating to me! You can perfectly do that trophy without getting Aerith's resolution, but the reverse is not true, this is what I tried to point out
But i'm guessing it's because he would have been wearing a soldier uniform at the time if he wasn't a grunt so his mind fixed the continuity there. He does also get the uniform with the two pads so it could also just be for the consistency aligning with his false identity. Though it does seem like he is trying to copy Zack specifically. Makes me wonder if Claudia thought his grunt uniform was an actual soldier uniform in the real version of the scene.
See, I don’t even look at it as a “route”, it’s just the story…“routes” to me would be like having a Tifa ending and an Aerith ending, which is honestly why I think making scenes like the resolutions optional is pretty silly unless it affects the direction of the storyI am talking about a preferred route because, to sum it up, the devs chose to give bonus scenes that are intrisically cloti or lead to cloti scenes:
Quite a jarring transition in the English dub to go from Madara’s deep-ass voice sounding like Mufasa to then hear Obito’s whiny anime edgelord voiceHow deep in delusion do you have to be to imagine yourself in another person's costume?
Reminds me of Naruto whenObito was thinking to himself in Uchiha Madara's voice
Yep. After coming back to the internet specifically for ToTP translations, I don't know when or how a simple "I prefer <THIS PAIRING> cos that's what I like in a romance" became so insufficient that it now has to be "Cloud shouldn't be with Tifa because of the toxicity of their relationship has negative impact on the young minds of children, and you're cancelling Barret by not supporting Barrifa, so you're being really disrespectful to black people and shouldn't practice this kind of erasure, you racist. Also, you're anti-feminist because you support women as sex objects if you like Tifa, and she herself is clearly anti-feminist because she pretends to be weak all the time despite having martial arts training so Cloud is forced to save her"Leafonthebreeze said:I think there's been a shift towards not just arguing that one ship or the other is "non canon" or whatever, but specifically that the ship you're arguing against is morally bad. This makes everything a lot more emotive straight away. Being told that your ship is non-canon is one thing, being told your ship is problematic is gets nastier much more quickly. There's probably a more detailed post I could write about this phenomenon, where it came from and why it changed, but not while at work on my mobile lol.
Basically it's an extension of what was said way upthread about how people's ships represent something very personal to them, kind of being weaponised by both sides. I actually thought LTD stood for "love triangle discourse" when I first joined until I remembered the old acronym.
Ah yes, Aerith is clearly the progressive choice when she appeals to the fantasy of the brooding male protagonist who just needs the perfect dream girl to make everything okay, only to be fridged later for tragedy points…hooray feminism, I guess?Also, you're anti-feminist because you support women as sex objects if you like Tifa, and she herself is clearly anti-feminist because she pretends to be weak all the time despite having martial arts training so Cloud is forced to save her"
Though it does seem like he is trying to copy Zack specifically. Makes me wonder if Claudia thought his grunt uniform was an actual soldier uniform in the real version of the scene.
Yep. After coming back to the internet specifically for ToTP translations, I don't know when or how a simple "I prefer <THIS PAIRING> cos that's what I like in a romance" became so insufficient that it now has to be "Cloud shouldn't be with Tifa because of the toxicity of their relationship has negative impact on the young minds of children, and you're cancelling Barret by not supporting Barrifa, so you're being really disrespectful to black people and shouldn't practice this kind of erasure, you racist. Also, you're anti-feminist because you support women as sex objects if you like Tifa, and she herself is clearly anti-feminist because she pretends to be weak all the time despite having martial arts training so Cloud is forced to save her"
Ryeleigh said:You know what's the funniest thing about this whole thing? That Aerith and Tifa clearly adore each other and yet their respective fans keep digging to find more things to hate about the other character.
Funny, I was just thinking about this. Back when I had to manage soc med promoting a franchise of one of those model competition TV shows, (the kind that a bunch of model-wannabes compete against one another to win a contract),...the kind of internet savagery perpetuated by young, teenage girls had me ABSOLUTELY SHOOK.Leafonthebreeze said:I get where the need to tear the other girl down comes from, internalised misogyny is a hell of a drug and I too decided to hate Aerith in 2006 because she was pink and flirty and I wasn't when I was 15 but like, it is 2021 and maybe we can all move on a bit?
Not verbatim, but that's the actual gist I'm seeing and it's gotten so strange, yet so fascinating
It was opposite for me; I immediately liked Aerith cause she was all pink and had flowers and shit.I get where the need to tear the other girl down comes from, internalised misogyny is a hell of a drug and I too decided to hate Aerith in 2006 because she was pink and flirty and I wasn't when I was 15 but like, it is 2021 and maybe we can all move on a bit?
I think one of the biggest realisations of how good the Remake is at balancing things out (and also how I am no longer a shitty teen who hates Aerith to be edgy haha) was that despite overall preferring Cloti, my fav "shippy" moment in the game was when Tifa and Aerith grabbed an arm each and walked around with Cloud in the train graveyard. Just let everyone be friends dammit! (Or solve the whole thing with an ot3)
I get where the need to tear the other girl down comes from, internalised misogyny is a hell of a drug and I too decided to hate Aerith in 2006 because she was pink and flirty and I wasn't when I was 15 but like, it is 2021 and maybe we can all move on a bit?
I meant that Cloud would have walked into his house with the grunt uniform on in the real version of the scene. If she saw the two soldiers then she would have to know that he wasn't one.No way, she knew that he was a grunt - they were several, and the Soldiers stood out. No, she was just a proud mama boy!
I think though that for this scene, ToTP has heavily reframed it - like it did with other stuff, like say, chapter 3 in its entirety. The way I see it, it's a mother teasing her son because she knows that he at least crushes if not more on the girl next door. She even describes Tifa - the mature girl that can nudge Cloud in the right direction, which is totally Tifa's role - with a grin. After ToTP, I just can't unsee that. In the same vein, Thea describing Cloud as beautiful is because she saw that her daughter crushed on the boy next door. It's just something that parents tend to do with their kids (we can't help ourselves ok? XD).
The fact is you could argue both ways in Remake, especially since we had a shot on Cloud's eyes that looked like they reflected stars, and quickly after tried to go back to Tifa, but it was just an interpretation. ToTP pretty much confirms it, especially since Claudia has no way to know Aerith, and since Aerith herself is the childish girl, not the mature one (no matter the English erasure of her character).
In the OG, IIRC, clotis argued that Cloud just wasn't interested in such girl (older) because he already was set onto Tifa, hence his answer to his mother "Not interested".