SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Rin

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In OG I thought Aerith only connected to Cloud in the party honestly. In Rebirth I thought she mostly connected to Red, and then Tifa.
The OG is weird but Aerith and Tifa do spend all their time together and Tifa has a very emotional reaction to Aerith's death. I blame the graphics and their weird obsession w/ the love interest bait and switch.
 

GamerSkull

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Yup. They're literally a couple, I don't get why people fight against it. You don't have to like it but why jump through all these hoops to make them look platonic? Just quietly ship him with someone else! No one cares until people start trying to deny the actual story.
I think it’s simply because they feel any acknowledgement of Cloti being canon, means they lost perhaps.
 

BlueSky

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I really wanted her to use her Cetra powers to say goodbye to everyone.... I hate how Cloud-centric it all is. I know it's his story, but Aerith had other friends, too and in Case of Tifa, Cloud is actually the one who is emotionally strong

For me that's the worst part. Cloud is the protagonist, we know, and she may love him, but...what about the rest? In the og we see everyone caring for her equally.

Seeing Aerith using her powers to say goodbye only to Cloud... I hated it. They could have keep the Cloud moments, but adding a few words for the others, at least.

Aerith is my favorite FFVII character, but...
 

Hellenic

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Hellenic
This is one of the reasons I so intensely dislike Clerith as a ship these days. I just find that it poisons everything, it's like an an unwanted fan-ficesque insert in a story that is much better off without it.

These days it's not even just the romance, just the very notion that Aerith and Cloud have ANY special connection to each other outside of the Zack thing feels stupid to me. Nowhere in the past two games have I seen anything that hints at Cloud and Aerith even being particularly close. She's too busy mourning Zack and he's too busy with his own issues, being in love with Tifa, and generally sounding annoyed with Aerith and spurning her advancements. That's not to say he really is that annoyed, he clearly cherishes friends and is pretending not to, that's the entire point and rebirth shows it clearly, Cloud desperately wants bonds. But that doesn't mean that the game can just claim Aerith is special when nothing in the game really highlights her as being more special than a Barret or a Nanaki, her bond with Cloud never stands out from the others in the team and is arguably one of the more negatively portrayed ones. But because the past 20 years have ingrained the idea that Aerith HAS to be special we get these randomly inserted moments where they suddenly force the idea that Aerith is special and it just holds the story back.

Tifa lost everything in Nibelheim, then she finally got a best female friend in Jessie but loses her, we even spent time exploring this in Rebirth. She then picks up the pieces, and finds a new bond with Aerith, and now her new best friend is murdered as well......WHY ARE WE FOLLOWING CLOUD!? Why is the game not looking at the bond between the two girls who were sharing everything together? Aerith who was confiding in Tifa about Zack and helping her with all her worries regarding Cloud, and Tifa who was confiding in Aerith and helping her with her worries regarding Zack. The two girls who were constantly supporting each other, laughing together, going on actual FUN dates, talking about clothes shopping, etc.

No, instead we have to waste time on scenes trying to convince us that Aerith and Clouds bond was special, despite them barely talking and him being 90% pre-occupied with his own failing psyche and feelings regarding Tifa. Dude is barely even able to really feel Jessies death and is more pre-occupied with Tifas pain regarding it, but when the story does the same thing to Tifas new friend she is a second thought?

Make it make sense?

Make me me understand why we can't have a nice story where it's 100% clear that Aerith is living vicariously through Tifa and Cloud and has her own story-arc clearly focused around Zack. We could have had a story of friendship where Cloud and Aeriths bond shines because they were able to explicitly show how the two of them support each other platonically every step of the way. By showing Aerith ACTIVELY helping Cloud and Tifa coming together by pushing him towards Tifa verbally every step of the way and helping him express himself towards her. Same with Tifa, and same with Tifa and Cloud helping her. A story with genuine connections that go deeper than just romance and that shows Cloud and Tifa BOTH together with Aerith because of how they as a couple impacted, and were impacted by, Aerith. That show them together mourning and crying. Why can't we have a story that would make Cloud and Aeriths bond ACTUALLY feel special.

I'll tell you why we can't, because Clerith, that's why, and that's why I can't stand it.


Lets be honest, it's not that they're angry they made her character about Zack, that's just pretense. They're angry because they wanted Aerith x Cloud and Zack ruined that. Yet another reason I am so sick of anything to do with Cloud and Aerith.


Yeah, and apparently its barely a footnote, why? Because Clerith.


Yes, and why?.....
Game really disappointed me on that note too. I wanted more of Aeriths frienships and bonds to be showcased and less of the Cloud hard focus for her.
 

Empyrea

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The OG is weird but Aerith and Tifa do spend all their time together and Tifa has a very emotional reaction to Aerith's death. I blame the graphics and their weird obsession w/ the love interest bait and switch.
I hated that part. I felt I missed out on what could've been more interesting character interactions. Part of why her death didn't affect me too much (or at all, honestly) is because I just couldn't buy that the party mourned over this gal who did pretty much nothing with them except for Cloud. It was weird.
 

KindOfBlue

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Blue
Y’know, I really think the whole debate about NPTK’s lyrics is doomed to go nowhere as long as people are so obsessed with “winning” a ship war or validating their ship’s existence that they miss the point. Whether the song is from Aerith to Cloud or to Zack or to both or to whoever, it has no bearing on Cloud’s feelings and relationship with Tifa, so it’s a moot point.

And as for Aerith, her feelings are described as complex and they are presented in-game as complex. I think people are hung up on the “love song from Aerith to Cloud” bit but are glossing over what the story itself is revealing about her love for Cloud. It’s there, but it’s pretty hard to ignore how she responded when asked about Zack, or how she directly tells Cloud “there’s liking, and then there’s liking…”, or how she spent her last date with Cloud basically recreating her date with Zack in Crisis Core.

I don’t think it makes NPTK any less about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud, and you sure won’t see me try to argue that it’s actually about Zack when he’s barely in Rebirth and yet it’s the game’s theme song. Once we move the discussion past who the song is about, then we can dive into how the song supports what the story is saying about their relationship.

Reminds me of when people heard Aerith drop the “L” word in Remake during her chapter 14 resolution scene and they specifically honed in on the use of that word and focused so much on whether or not the scene was romantic instead of thinking about what the scene says about their romance.

In fairness, this guy is a fairly frequent collaborator with, and simp for, ARUUU. The kind of reach he has is limited to the sort of people for whom facts are merely bumps on the road to be avoided.
I don’t keep up with streamers besides Maximilian Dood on occasion so I don’t know of either of those two, what’s the deal with them?
 

insanehobbit

Pro Adventurer
Zack is a great character but exactly the kind of character people struggle with writing because he's someone who is so unambiguously good -- someone who wants to do good for everyone and save everyone.

Cloud is such a compelling protagonist and an easy one to understand/relate to because the flaws he needs to overcome are so obvious. But where's the conflict for someone like Zack? That's much harder to crack (Which is also why people like Zack Snyder struggle with a character like Superman, lol).

Crisis Core is a great story for him because it's all about the world beating him down, trying to disillusion him. He watches all his heroes and friends succumb or fall to their own darkness. It'd be so easy for him to do the same, but he stays true to himself until the very end. He could have abandoned Cloud to save his own skin, but he never does and loses his own life in the process.

Rebirth with its pseudo-multiverse/fighting fate storyline also kinda works for a character like him because Zack is someone who wants to save everyone. In Ch. 14, he's torn between saving Biggs, who he met like 5 minutes ago, and Cloud, his best friend (who is also key to saving Aerith!). Only for a character like Zack could you believe this to be a legitimate conflict, but that's why it's a great test for him -- he wants to save everyone, but the universe is forcing him to choose.

And honestly, I think that's enough of a dilemma for someone like him. They didn't really need to add the whole Cloud/Aerith thing to his story (but I've ranted enough about that, lol) to generate more emotional conflict, though I suppose his reaction just proves how selfless he is?

So yeah, I guess I see the vision, but as always with this team, I worry about the execution.
 

Rin

Pro Adventurer

Huh, this is interesting and just made me realize that whenever Aerith prays, Cloud always looks like he wants to say something but winds up saying nothing. I'm now wondering if its because he's subconsciously remembering Zack but he can't put his thoughts into words bc he doesn't even know what/who she's reminding him of.
 

billy22

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So I'm on Chapter 11 right now, and I won't give my overall, complete thoughts until I've finished the game, but there are two questions I have, which anyone can feel free to answer if they know:

1) In Gongaga, after Cloud asks Aerith if she still loves Zack, she says "Maybe." He leaves, then Tifa goes up to Aerith and they start talking about something. The way the scene is framed makes it seem like something important, but we don't hear what it is. Was it about Zack?

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
 

Stiggie

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Stiggie
I do actually prefer Cloud as a character overall to Zack though, as i find Cloud a lot more interesting and compelling as a character than Zack. That said, Zack is a great guy and i do hope he gets his happy ending, as i did feel bad for him throughout Rebirth.
Cloud is more complex, in fact, I'd say that Cloud and Zacks characters are perhaps meant to be judged together. It's not that Zack is a worse character (if you think simplicity is a bad thing), it's that Zacks earnest simplicity is meant to stand in contrast to Cloud. Ultimately Zack is the fantasy hero, he and Aerith both present this more idealistic and magical storytelling idea of the hero and heroine while real life is more murky and complex. That's why I love Zack despite him being simple, or perhaps, because he is simple, and that's why I love Cloud, despite him being complex, because he's complex.
 

Stiggie

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Stiggie
So I'm on Chapter 11 right now, and I won't give my overall, complete thoughts until I've finished the game, but there are two questions I have, which anyone can feel free to answer if they know:

1) In Gongaga, after Cloud asks Aerith if she still loves Zack, she says "Maybe." He leaves, then Tifa goes up to Aerith and they start talking about something. The way the scene is framed makes it seem like something important, but we don't hear what it is. Was it about Zack?

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
1: My assumption is this is a callback to the night in Kalm, where we know Tifa confided in Aerith. It's implied that Aerith and Tifa exchanged quite a bit of information there (and at other times) and that Tifa is aware of Aeriths questions regarding Zack, and is perhaps even aware, through Tifa, that Zack was at Nibelheim. This would also mean that they're BOTH aware that there is something weird going on with Cloud.
Cloud explicitly saying that he doesn't know Zack, despite him knowing EXACTLY what happened in Nibelheim, where as far as Tifa and Aerith are concerned Zack was and not Cloud is very prudent information for the two girls two discuss and wonder about.

2: Tifa is aware that what Cloud said happened, didn't happen. So if he were to tell Aerith he'd be telling her a lie at best. It's even possible that Tifa herself had already told Aerith about what happened during the fall.
 

Rin

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So I'm on Chapter 11 right now, and I won't give my overall, complete thoughts until I've finished the game, but there are two questions I have, which anyone can feel free to answer if they know:

1) In Gongaga, after Cloud asks Aerith if she still loves Zack, she says "Maybe." He leaves, then Tifa goes up to Aerith and they start talking about something. The way the scene is framed makes it seem like something important, but we don't hear what it is. Was it about Zack?

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
1) Yes. In Gongaga Aerith says, "Guess that proves he doesn't know Zack after all..." and Tifa rushes over to comfort her. Aerith was basically testing Clouds memory and was disappointed that he still didn't remember, thus forcing her to accept that maybe Cloud and Zack really didn't know each other after all.

2) Kinda, yes. We can infer that Tifa has told Aerith her version of the story where the 2 SOLDIERs who came were Sephiroth and Zack off screen. Naturally, Tifa wouldn't know what happened to Zack so their best bet is to see if Cloud really did know him and has some information, but so far they haven't been successful. Tifa is uncomfortable cause Cloud does remember as she and Aerith thought he might buuuut then his version of events is still incorrect.
 

GamerSkull

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So I'm on Chapter 11 right now, and I won't give my overall, complete thoughts until I've finished the game, but there are two questions I have, which anyone can feel free to answer if they know:

1) In Gongaga, after Cloud asks Aerith if she still loves Zack, she says "Maybe." He leaves, then Tifa goes up to Aerith and they start talking about something. The way the scene is framed makes it seem like something important, but we don't hear what it is. Was it about Zack?

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
1) Almost certainly has to do with Zack. Tifa has probably related that Zack was at Nibelheim and not Cloud when they talked in Kalm.

2) Tifa knows Cloud’s recollection is wrong. But she’s also worried it might be degradation. She wants to be the one to tell Aerith because she can tell her that Cloud is starting to remember while also making sure Cloud doesn’t tell a false memory.

She’s uncomfortable because she wants to choose her words carefully as challenging him might cause him to have his Jenova seizures or make him even more depressed about degradation.
 

Someonesbunny

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Rabbit
Ok on a serious note about this, I always found it so funny when people said CT sleeps in separate beds bc there were 2 beds in the room they're in.... as if that wasn't Denzel and Marlenes room. Ah, this fandom is so funny. Then their next argument was that Cloud has 'his own room' while ignoring that his room is actually just his office lmaoooo

There's also a scene in it where Tifa turns to him while he's sleeping and asks "do you love me?" which I assume suggested that they slept in the same bed together and not that Tifa actually turns into some wall-hugging gargoyle when the sun sets, dead-set on asking him questions when he's barely conscious.
 

GamerSkull

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There's also a scene in it where Tifa turns to him while he's sleeping and asks "do you love me?" which I assume suggested that they slept in the same bed together and not that Tifa actually turns into some wall-hugging gargoyle when the sun sets, dead-set on asking him questions when he's barely conscious.
It’s the same scene. The implication is, she’s sitting on the bed awake while Cloud is asleep next to her when she asks this question… then when we wakes up she covers herself by asking whether he loves Marlene.
 

Empyrea

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(Which is also why people like Zack Snyder struggle with a character like Superman, lol).
Noooooo D: Not Man of Steel! Man, I was so torn after watching that movie then felt the immediate need to bleach my brain afterwards because I just need to forget what they did to Superman.
 

Stiggie

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Stiggie
Imagine that FFVII didn't exist yet and this was the first time this game was made and instead of us discussing this LTD crap we'd be theorycrafting on what's going on with Cloud and what happened in Nibelheim and what happened to Zack XD

I'd like to see a blind run of rebirth, but I almost feel like they'd still be more focused on the mystery of who Cloud actually loves rather than the actual mystery of what the hell is going on XD
 

GamerSkull

Pro Adventurer
Imagine that FFVII didn't exist yet and this was the first time this game was made and instead of us discussing this LTD crap we'd be theorycrafting on what's going on with Cloud and what happened in Nibelheim and what happened to Zack XD

I'd like to see a blind run of rebirth, but I almost feel like they'd still be more focused on the mystery of who Cloud actually loves rather than the actual mystery of what the hell is going on XD
That’s because there will always be a subset of players who play with shipping goggles on.
 

Empyrea

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Imagine that FFVII didn't exist yet and this was the first time this game was made and instead of us discussing this LTD crap we'd be theorycrafting on what's going on with Cloud and what happened in Nibelheim and what happened to Zack XD

I'd like to see a blind run of rebirth, but I almost feel like they'd still be more focused on the mystery of who Cloud actually loves rather than the actual mystery of what the hell is going on XD
You know, now that you mention it (and insanehobbit did earlier as well), I just realized that I completely forgot that Meteor has yet to be summoned. Or, more precisely, that it actually hasn't been yet because end of the world style Seph fight just slapped my brain into thinking Meteor was already in play. But, uhhh, no, actually -- we're not there yet.
 

Axiom

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Axiom
So I'm on Chapter 11 right now, and I won't give my overall, complete thoughts until I've finished the game, but there are two questions I have, which anyone can feel free to answer if they know:

1) In Gongaga, after Cloud asks Aerith if she still loves Zack, she says "Maybe." He leaves, then Tifa goes up to Aerith and they start talking about something. The way the scene is framed makes it seem like something important, but we don't hear what it is. Was it about Zack?

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
Tifa remembers that Zack didnt drown, and she already told Aerith about how she doesnt remember Cloud ever being at Nibelheim. I always assumed Tifa confided in everything she remembers to Aerith, and the girls both lie on the date because they know Cloud's story doesnt add up.
 

insanehobbit

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Noooooo D: Not Man of Steel! Man, I was so torn after watching that movie then felt the immediate need to bleach my brain afterwards because I just need to forget what they did to Superman.
Thankfully we're free of him for the foreseeable future at least, haha. I'm not holding my breath about the new adaptation but at least Corenswet looks the part :monster:

2) When Cloud remembers Zack in Nibelheim, he tells Tifa and says he should inform Aerith that Zack is dead. Tifa looks uncomfortable and says that he should let her tell Aerith instead, because she knows how to break it to her better or something...Is this conversation supposed to indicate Aerith is fully aware that Zack is dead and Tifa already knows this too?
This is another thing I wish we had more clarity on, but the game seems intent on obfuscating everything Aerith/Zack related for some reason.

What Cloud says about Zack doesn't align with her own recollection of events, but Tifa is relieved that he's able to remember Zack at all, which means he may slowly be able to get to the truth (or at least her truth) himself.

She's not going to let Cloud tell Aerith, because his version is obviously not the full truth. Even if Zack actually died 5 years ago (which Tifa wouldn't have known for sure anyways), he certainly didn't die in the river. She's not going to let him tell Aerith that Zack is dead unless she's 100% certain. (Also Cloud obviously just doesn't have the emotional capacity to handle such a delicate conversation).

I don't know if Tifa tells Aerith that she remembers Zack at Kalm, because at this point, while she doubts Cloud's version of events, she's also doubting her own recollection. (We already know that when she fell off Mt. Nibel, she had no recollection of what happened before, and just believed what her friends told her until the Lifestream shows her otherwise.) I don't think Aerith has even told Tifa about Zack at this point? I assume that happens after their ToTP conversation on the Shinra cruiser, so bringing up that there was a SOLDIER named Zack there would be a non-sequitur at this point. What's important is that she doesn't remember Cloud being there.

Obviously, they have this conversation at some point before Gongaga, but whether it's simply - "Do you think Cloud knew a SOLDIER named Zack?" in general vs. "Was Zack with Cloud in Nibelheim five years ago?" is unclear.

I don't know if we see their full conversation in the Ch. 12 Gondola flashbacks -- does Tifa straight up tell her Zack died? (I'm guessing no just given her personality), but I think we can take away that's what Aerith assumes this to be the case. She hasn't heard from him in five years. Five years ago is when Cloud apparently remembers Zack being at the Nibelheim incident where Cloud and Tifa are among the few survivors....and she feels Zack's hand in the Lifestream in Ch. 10. And well, you're only going to be in the Lifestream if you're already dead.
 

AncientGrimoire

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Grim
So yeah, I guess I see the vision, but as always with this team, I worry about the execution.

That’s a lot of the issues for me in a nutshell.

I greatly admire, respect even, their commitment to ambition and creativity.

But they are playing around with very big ideas that have been unsatisfactorily explored in other works more often than not. It’s very hard to deliver and execute in a manner that both ably answers the questions presented, but keeps things grounded enough in the characters and emotions of the story that we as the audience are also able to receive an evocative response.

Sure it’s fun when we learn something new, and a mystery is neatly solved. The original after all had some fascinating mysteries that were slowly unravelled, but they all had incredibly rich conclusions and answers that were first and foremost grounded in the emotions of the characters.

This is what makes the Lifestream so important and significant. It’s the venue for where so many of the permeating questions and mysteries are finally resolved but more importantly it’s the emotional payoff for Cloud and Tifa’s entire history and development together as characters.

Ever since the original, I believe they have seriously struggled time and again in the Compilation to capably match this level of skilful execution when it comes to following through on the big ideas they are pushing.

Sadly Remake and Rebirth are following the trend that was established in works like Advent Children and Crisis Core, where they lose sight of what made a majority of us fall for this world and it’s story and characters.

They successfully course corrected to an extent with Remake’s far stronger characterisations, and a reaffirmation that they do understand and care about these characters and trying to do them justice.

But the ending of Rebirth shows they are still pulled in the other direction, where they are able to completely forget about where the focus should be.

In a major, crucial story moment such as the entire Forgotten Capital scene, and Aerith’s fate, everything in those moments should be focused in on the characters.

It’s more a character moment than it is a story one, at that particular moment. Her fate becomes more important to the wider narrative later.

But in the moment it happens, at least in the original, Cloud literally tells Sephiroth to shut up, and to stop his monologuing because in that moment all that matters is that Aerith is gone. The moments after care about showing how the others feel about that loss. It remains firmly rooted in the emotions of the party, because how they are feeling should be mirrored by how the audience is feeling.

And for some bizarre reason that I can foresee people like myself pondering over for years, in Rebirth they chose to take this moment and make it all about the wider implications as it pertains to the ongoing trilogy long mysteries and questions about all the other things they’ve chosen to include and/or expand on from the original (they say) whilst robbing the scene and the characters of their own key, emotional moments.

For a very long game that spends the majority of the time spent exploring the depths of its cast of characters, and the connections they forge amongst themselves, the ending should be a rich and emotional conclusion to so much of what had been established in the characters and their bonds. Otherwise what was the point of it all, if during this key moment you instead choose to prioritise confusion and sowing further tangled webs of intrigue and mystery, because making sure the audience has enough nuggets to go on for another four years of theorycrafting is more worthwhile than giving Aerith the conclusion to her story in this game she deserves. More worthwhile than a satisfying denouement to the middle part of a trilogy.

They chose to make a comparison to The Empire Strikes Back, a middle film in a trilogy that leaves its heroes at their lowest point.

But the irony is Empire’s ending is laser focused in on the characters.

A friend mentioned the endings to Goblet of Fire and Half-Blood Prince, two entries in a series that similarly ends with the characters at a very low point in their developments and journeys, the story having taken dark harrowing twists.

But in each instances of these endings, not to mention other examples in film, tv and games, they are still satisfying endings because we have a very clear and concise understanding of the stakes of the story. We can feel and understand the emotions of the characters involved. We are left feeling saddened, demoralised, maybe even without hope if we don’t know how it ends in the final part, but what we aren’t left with is bewilderment and confusion and endless questions and concerns about what the hell just happened, which was what they deliberately chose to make us feel with Rebirth’s ending.

It’s a baffling creative decision that I believe leaves them backed into a very tight corner in respect to how they are going to have to handle this now for Part 3.

The very fact that the script for Part 3 is still roughly being drafted indicates the potential that they didn’t actually plan this out ahead, and might even be waiting to gage the reactions from the audience before committing to anything for Part 3’s story.

If you ever prioritise puzzle box storytelling over a character driven one, then the answer and payoff to the mysteries you favoured by their very definition have to be satisfying and executed well, otherwise not only have you failed the characters you overlooked in favour of a mystery, you failed the story you tried to needlessly over complicate to stoke interest during a waiting period for the story to be concluded.

Ok that is the last thing I’m going to say on the ending now until I eventually get to it in my playthrough. :sleep:
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
Imagine that FFVII didn't exist yet and this was the first time this game was made and instead of us discussing this LTD crap we'd be theorycrafting on what's going on with Cloud and what happened in Nibelheim and what happened to Zack XD

I'd like to see a blind run of rebirth, but I almost feel like they'd still be more focused on the mystery of who Cloud actually loves rather than the actual mystery of what the hell is going on XD
Watch Welonz on YT. She's played Remake and CCR, that's all, she's going blind in her games. From Remake, she got that the story was CT and CA just was not romantic - although she loves Aerith as well. She posts about 1 hour of gameplay per day, needless to say she's very slow and just entering Junon lol.
 
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