SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[AncientGrimoire]

Thanks everyone for answering me, sorry for the questions lol just don’t like the idea of any of the FF7 cast being treated poorly (by fans and in game characters lol, F U Hojo and Scarlet)

And my heart swelled hearing Aerith is Tifa’s guardian, she’d go to the mat for Tifa, and Tifa would for her

 

[liuliuliu]

Really? Can I ask why you feel so strongly about it?

It was a beautiful scene but I saw too many argument generated from that scene that Cloud wants to be with Aerith instead of Tifa.
The worst take I saw is Cloud is physically be with Tifa and mentally wants to and only wants to be with Aerith. This was called cheating where I grew up and for 2 decades i still hate that somebody depict Cloud in this way to validate their ship. And I’m really tired with the fact that SE is constantly feeding these kind of argument crumbs.

I honestly don’t care if Cloud like Aerith before her death. In OG I believed he does but he moves on after LS. (I was like 12 when I played OG…and I didn’t pay much attention to the love triangle to be honest..the only thing I care about is who got which materia and level the characters up.) In remake he clearly friendzoned her so he doesn’t. Both are okay for me…it is even before a confession and he was not committed to any girl anyway.
I don’t like the fact that after he and Tifa confessed to each other and they still put scene like this which makes part of the fanbase think he still loves Aerith. Maybe the whole purpose of the scene is to stir discussion, but who knows.

 

[Rin]

It was a beautiful scene but I saw too many argument generated from that scene that Cloud wants to be with Aerith instead of Tifa.

Ah, makes sense. I can't see them taking it out because there's a callback to it in ACC as well, so if anything it'll just be a callback to callback in part 3. It's like when Aerith and Cloud stand back to back holding hands at the end of Rebirth, that's just a callback to ACC (what she says to him is even a direct quote from ACC if I remember right) and I think they like that stuff too much to get rid of it, but you never know lol.

Personally, I'd rather Aerith reach her hand out to anyone but Cloud at this point because I think the narrative has shown that her connection/relationship with him is weak in comparison to her connection/relationship with Tifa and Nanaki. So, I wish they'd just lean into those instead.

 

[GamerSkull]

It was a beautiful scene but I saw too many argument generated from that scene that Cloud wants to be with Aerith instead of Tifa.
The worst case I saw is Cloud is physically be with Tifa and mentally want to and only want tobe with Aerith. This was called cheating where I grew up and for 2 decades i still hate that somebody depict Cloud in this way to validate their ship. And I’m really tired with the fact that SE is constantly feeding these argument crumbs.

I honestly don’t care if Cloud like Aerith before her death. In OG I believe he does. In remake he clearly friendzoned her so he doesn’t. Both are okay for me…it is even before a confession and he was not commuting to any girl anyway. I don’t like the fact that after he and Tifa confessed to each other and they still put scene like this making part of the fanbase think he still love Aerith. Maybe the whole purpose of the scene is to stir discussion, but who knows.

Thing is, that scene is misinterpreted anyway.

 

[Eerie]

If they keep the last hand reaching from OG in the third game, I will be done with any FF7 games. maybe even down with any FF games.

I think it will be there again lol but with those ghigh fidelity graphics and HOPEFULLY a revision of the CT dialogue at the end, there will be no more confusion. The OG really couldn't do much with dialogues, and they kinda represented that side again in AC - which I grieve a lot lol - but the REMAKE trilogy has shown us that those characters know how to talk, even Cloud. So I'm hopeful.

 

[Graymouse]

Personally, I'd rather Aerith reach her hand out to anyone but Cloud at this point because I think the narrative has shown that her connection/relationship with him is weak in comparison to her connection/relationship with Tifa and Nanaki. So, I wish they'd just lean into those instead.

Yeah, I can see that but in ACC doesn't she reach out to Cloud through the white light? I believe the Devs are trying to come full circle with that in this context.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Not LTD specific but long game is long. I'm 68% of Chapter 13 and over 65hrs in and I didn't even do the side stuff

 

[Graymouse]

Not LTD specific but long game is long. I'm 68% of Chapter 13 and over 65hrs in and I didn't even do the side stuff

Your looking at 50 to 100+ for platinum.

 

[GamerSkull]

To be honest, I don’t take Aerith reaching out to Cloud as any sort of Clerith confirmation. Because it suddenly switches over to Tifa with her theme playing, as if to say, Tifa is the one.

The dialogue Cloud has after is not translated correctly in that it, I believe, is supposed to refer to loved ones in general, and Aerith is included in that. And Tifa is accepting of that because they’re about to die and be reunited with all of them (and then meteor is stopped so it doesn’t matter anymore).

 

[frosty]

The continued use of platonic scenes of hands reaching out from the white light should be enough to dispel any of the "he wants to die to be with her" no?

Barret reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Aerith reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Heck even Angeal reaches out to Zack in the white light

 

[GamerSkull]

The continued use of platonic scenes of hands reaching out from the white light should be enough to dispel any of the "he wants to die to be with her" no?

Barret reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Aerith reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Heck even Angeal reaches out to Zack in the white light

Doesn’t Tifa reach out to Cloud in Chapter 9 as well… in white light?

I still can’t get over “Cloud wanting to die to be with Aerith” as a positive argument. It’s not healthy behavior at all.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Thanks everyone for answering me, sorry for the questions lol just don’t like the idea of any of the FF7 cast being treated poorly (by fans and in game characters lol, F U Hojo and Scarlet)

And my heart swelled hearing Aerith is Tifa’s guardian, she’d go to the mat for Tifa, and Tifa would for her

No no no. We've been over this. Ehrgeiz tells us Cloud is the guardian. Aerith must be the Fayth from which her final Aeon is formed.

To be honest, I don’t take Aerith reaching out to Cloud as any sort of Clerith confirmation. Because it suddenly switches over to Tifa with her theme playing, as if to say, Tifa is the one.

The dialogue Cloud has after is not translated correctly in that it, I believe, is supposed to refer to loved ones in general, and Aerith is included in that. And Tifa is accepting of that because they’re about to die and be reunited with all of them (and then meteor is stopped so it doesn’t matter anymore).

Yeah, it's very much Aerith leading Cloud BACK to Tifa. That's part of why the LTD is so ridiculous, even Aerith winds up rooting for C and T together in the end.

Also Bugenhagen was a fucking dick to Tifa. I was ready to throw down with the floaty boy.

 

[Stiggie]

No no no. We've been over this. Ehrgeiz tells us Cloud is the guardian. Aerith must be the Fayth from which her final Aeon is formed.


Yeah, it's very much Aerith leading Cloud BACK to Tifa. That's part of why the LTD is so ridiculous, even Aerith winds up rooting for C and T together in the end.

Also Bugenhagen was a fucking dick to Tifa. I was ready to throw down with the floaty boy.

Bugenhagen was really dissapointing, I saw him as a sweet old man yoda type, but he was just.. well, not as timelessly wise as I'd hoped

 

[GamerSkull]

Reminds me of that guy who did his drive-by shit post the day after that trailer went up. Called us all "Blankbeat's victims who were coping" or something lol...Let me see if I can find it...

That post is just… lol

People really shouldn’t jump to conclusions based on trailers alone. They are meant to be baity in order to sell copies. This happens with all franchises, not just this one.

If I was a Clerith fan and I said all of that, and then got what many consider to be a pro-Cloti game, I’d be so embarrassed.

Sad thing is, that person probably still believes they were in the right there.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

The dialogue Cloud has after is not translated correctly in that it, I believe, is supposed to refer to loved ones in general, and Aerith is included in that.

I'm sure it is translated correctly. I studied Japanese. Japanese doesn't include pronouns often because they're assumed from context. Most times they are dropped altogether in sentences but you would still add them to the translation. The context here is he saw Aerith's hand.
And if it is a mistranslation then why does the Ultimania say they are literally talking about Aerith? I was asked on my blog and researched it. That is what the Ultimania Omega says it was about that scene. And they "add of course the person they are talking about is Aerith" to it so I don't think it can get clearer than that. But it's just that it is part of a bigger conversation. Then they add on "As for the Promised Land..." Which means that them seeing Aerith would be in the afterlife with everyone they lost. It's a symbol for hope. Not some point for the LTD. This matches with the description of promising to meet loved ones in the DigiCube guide as well. They both say the same thing.

Also in general it's about the truth of the PromisedLand which he just realized and has been alluded to all game. LTD just twists it.

Edit: Went ahead and added it. Not sure they will change this scene to be honest. But it's literally like those scenes where you see a loved one of a character in the sky after they die in a show because they're remembering them. A nice reminder of the hope to see people they lost and it sucks people used it as a gotcha.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

Not LTD specific but long game is long. I'm 68% of Chapter 13 and over 65hrs in and I didn't even do the side stuff

The game is very looong. I’ve been doing all the side stuff myself, and have just reached Chapter 8.

My playtime currently sits at 105 hours

 

[AncientGrimoire]

The continued use of platonic scenes of hands reaching out from the white light should be enough to dispel any of the "he wants to die to be with her" no?

Barret reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Aerith reaches out to Tifa in the white light
Heck even Angeal reaches out to Zack in the white light

I’m just going to leave another Lord of the Rings comparison here regarding the whole reaching out/hand grabbing, holding thing.

It can be romantic YES, but as this scene from Fellowship establishes, it can be completely platonic in context but STILL convey the depth of love the characters feel for one another, it’s one of the most often used visuals to establish the deep connections two characters can share.

 

[Empyrea]

It can be romantic YES, but as this scene from Fellowship establishes, it can be completely platonic in context but STILL convey the depth of love the characters feel for one another, it’s one of the most often used visuals to establish the deep connections two characters can share

This.
Honestly, reaching out for someone's hand and grabbing holding it is something usually used as a sign of someone's willingness to connect with another and is a sign of camaraderie. It's not always romantic, but that doesn't make it any less important.

 

[GamerSkull]

I'm sure it is translated correctly. I studied Japanese. Japanese doesn't include pronouns often because they're assumed from context. Most times they are dropped altogether in sentences but you would still add them to the translation. The context here is he saw Aerith's hand.
And if it is a mistranslation then why does the Ultimania say they are literally talking about Aerith? I was asked on my blog and researched it. That is what the Ultimania Omega says it was about that scene. And they "add of course the person they are talking about is Aerith" to it so I don't think it can get clearer than that. But it's just that it is part of a bigger conversation. Then they add on "As for the Promised Land..." Which means that them seeing Aerith would be in the afterlife with everyone they lost. It's a symbol for hope. Not some point for the LTD. This matches with the description of promising to meet loved ones in the DigiCube guide as well. They both say the same thing.

Also in general it's about the truth of the PromisedLand which he just realized and has been alluded to all game. LTD just twists it.

Edit: Went ahead and added it. Not sure they will change this scene to be honest.

I suppose that’s fair. But I genuinely think some Clerith fans take it as “Aerith is my one true love. I wanna see her again in death” and Tifa saying “Oh, well guess I’ll always be #2 but I’m happy for you.”

When it’s not meant to be romantic at all and is more of a realization that loved ones are never truly gone and even when we die, we will spiritually reunite.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

Bugenhagen was really dissapointing, I saw him as a sweet old man yoda type, but he was just.. well, not as timelessly wise as I'd hoped

I kind of get the sense they’re trying to maybe, minimise the importance Bugenhagen has to later scenes (that will be in Part 3) and actually transfer a lot of this over to Nanaki himself, who after Cosmo Canyon in the original, doesn’t really have a lot to do?

From what I’ve read and been told about Chapter 10 and what they do with Nanaki’s story, it seems they’re setting up a lot of stuff in Part 3 where Nanaki will be more important.

I’d actually prefer this myself, I know this is controversial, but I like the idea of Nanaki having that importance in those key story moments over Bugenhagen himself.

In the original it’s sad cause after Cosmo Canyon, the story kind of doesn’t justify Nanaki being in the party other than to help fight in combat, if Bugenhagen is the one to just pop over with us to the Forgotten Capital to loredump. I like the potential for this to be Nanaki instead as this would also add to not only his stronger characterisation from Rebirth but would help his development after Cosmo Canyon too?

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

I suppose that’s fair. But I genuinely think some Clerith fans take it as “Aerith is my one true love. I wanna see her again in death” and Tifa saying “Oh, well guess I’ll always be #2 but I’m happy for you.”

When it’s not meant to be romantic at all and is more of a realization that loved ones are never truly gone and even when we die, we will spiritually reunite.

Lol yeah that is the problem but it makes no sense because she is smiling and agreeing to meet her too. Also in the Highwind scene Tifa literally brings up wanting to see Aerith again and wonders if she is watching over them. Her "Do you think the stars can hear us?" Line. The stars being the spirits of those they lost. This is basically a continuation of that. And a confirmation to her that yes the stars can.

 

[liuliuliu]

I suppose that’s fair. But I genuinely think some Clerith fans take it as “Aerith is my one true love. I wanna see her again in death” and Tifa saying “Oh, well guess I’ll always be #2 but I’m happy for you.”

When it’s not meant to be romantic at all and is more of a realization that loved ones are never truly gone and even when we die, we will spiritually reunite.

Yes I saw way too many of this argument and that is why this scene bothered me lol.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yes I saw way too many of this argument and that is why this scene bothered me lol.

Yeah, but that’s an issue with some shippers and not an actual problem with the scene.

 

[Hellenic]

My playtime currently sits at 105 hours

I finished my normal playthrough at 123 hours after doing absolutely everything i could do. Rest of the stuff is locked behind hard.

 

[Eerie]

Yes I saw way too many of this argument and that is why this scene bothered me lol.

And this is why the LTD spoils the joy you can get out of these games. Because instead of thinking "oh how nice, I like this!" you're going to think "oh no they're going to twist it that way!" so in order to really look at things, you have to really step back and enjoy what's shown to you.