GamerSkull
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Zerith rights!
SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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LNK
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- Nate
Yes, that's all true, but it's still Aerith. Our Aerith imo. The way she's acting on the date isn't any different from how she normally acts. It's just in the context of the date, Cloud thinks she's being weird.
Aerith, like Sephiroth is taking part in Lifestream tomfoolery.
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
Let's be honest. From the moment they changed Zack destiny with Remake we knew where we were going. And to be frank ? I'm even surprised they went so hard in Rebirth with Aerith feelings. I may be biased but she's not that vague. I thought they would be way more ambiguous to maintain the Aerith x Cloud fantasy for a certain part of the community but no.
She is lonely, she misses Zack and she's jealous of CloTi link. During all the damn game.
They're gonna reunite, this is written.
Small thing I just noticed while rewatching date scene, when you have the image of Biggs, wedge, and Jessie watching Aerith sing, and saying goodbye, Biggs is there.
But he's still alive in the other world. Regardless of whether you see the three apparitions as just holograms or whatever, that's still a pretty clear symbolic message that Biggs is DEAD dead. Which wouldn't really be the case if the other world counts as "alive" in any real sense.
But he's still alive in the other world. Regardless of whether you see the three apparitions as just holograms or whatever, that's still a pretty clear symbolic message that Biggs is DEAD dead. Which wouldn't really be the case if the other world counts as "alive" in any real sense.
Yoru
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People are paying this "timeline" thing too much attention. In the end it won't matter, we don't care. These worlds are possibilites that could have been but aren't.
From our POV nothing changes. Biggs, Wedge and Jessie are dead. Zack is dead. Aerith is dead. They're a part of the Life Stream. That's the whole point of it. The LS transcend time and space. That's how Sephiroth can do his shit from the start. Bro has no Delorean. He just have access to all planet history from the LS.
shady
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Ryushikaze
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I am intrigued by it in an inside the narrative way. She gets news that Cloud absolutely knows who Zack is- or was - an immediately starts writing it.
Yeah. This isn't about the revelation that Zack is definitely dead. It's about him being present in Nibelheim and what that might mean for the death she felt but also that she might be sensing him still alive thanks to Aerift's nonsense.
Less "not alive" and more "forever torn away" which for the people of the beagleverse is the same as him being dead, but terrierverse would be really narratively unfulfilling and poorly explained that way.
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
She does, but I don’t think she knows that was Zack.
shady
Pro Adventurer
It's unlikely Aerith knows it's Zack no, I believe that was more for the player to hint at something. But there are multiple instances of this kind of thing happening in the game. Another one is when Zack looks to the sky in Midgar where there is a crack, before the reunion flower petals fly past him, then we cut to a scene of Aerith staring at the sky and asking Cloud which way Midgar is.
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
Since Crisis Core we never had confirmation she knows Zack died. The touch of her hand in the Gi boat can be viewed like her church scene in CC ending. She sense something, but what ?
We know from Elmyra that she has the ability to "listen to dead people" but Zack never came to tell her what happened.
I don't think she would be so thorn apart if she knew 100% Zack was dead. You could argue she knows and it's just Cloud appearance in her life that rekindled the flame but what was the point to investigate Gongaga if she knew what was the deal.
We know from Elmyra that she has the ability to "listen to dead people" but Zack never came to tell her what happened.
I don't think she would be so thorn apart if she knew 100% Zack was dead. You could argue she knows and it's just Cloud appearance in her life that rekindled the flame but what was the point to investigate Gongaga if she knew what was the deal.
The entire dream sequence is a contrast to make it clear, especially to the players, that Zack and Aerith's relationship is not replaceable in the slightest.
We obviously understand this from the progress of the "appointment" with clear references from the NPCs; it must also be said that the devs also studied it well: every action leads to a direct or indirect reference to what the appointment with Zack was.
The thing I liked most about the whole sequence was shortly after the "let's go to our place" where Cloud was visibly dumbfounded and here the devs did something delicate but not negligible, that is, as soon as you can move again in the game, immediately cut to Zack.
To me this is a clear reference to the fact that "our place = ZA".
NPTK is a sensational bait and objectively speaking it is clear that, even if up to now they have not said it officially, it is partly if not totally aimed at the loss of ZA's relationship with the addition of doubt (fictitious or otherwise) involuntarily grafted by Cloud towards Aerith.
We obviously understand this from the progress of the "appointment" with clear references from the NPCs; it must also be said that the devs also studied it well: every action leads to a direct or indirect reference to what the appointment with Zack was.
The thing I liked most about the whole sequence was shortly after the "let's go to our place" where Cloud was visibly dumbfounded and here the devs did something delicate but not negligible, that is, as soon as you can move again in the game, immediately cut to Zack.
To me this is a clear reference to the fact that "our place = ZA".
NPTK is a sensational bait and objectively speaking it is clear that, even if up to now they have not said it officially, it is partly if not totally aimed at the loss of ZA's relationship with the addition of doubt (fictitious or otherwise) involuntarily grafted by Cloud towards Aerith.
I guess the problem with the dream date is the assumption that player has to play CC to know the similarities. And that feels more mature when Aerith reach the conclusion that not all “likes” are the same. I guess if they add just a little bit of flashback of the date with Zack as a hint might be clearer?
shady
Pro Adventurer
Well they rereleased Crisis Core and Advent Children for a reason, they wanted people to play this game and see this film before Rebirth. Which makes sense when you see just how much of both are referenced in Rebirth.
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
Maybe certain tweaks have to be made but I can still see AC playing out more or less the same way.
Relationships go through rough patches and assuming just because things are going good now, doesn’t mean things can’t drastically change later. Same for mental health.
Relationships go through rough patches and assuming just because things are going good now, doesn’t mean things can’t drastically change later. Same for mental health.
Sacky
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I still see Advent Children themes being dealt with in part 3 and it leading to the characters fates being the same as advent and the state of the world im not sure about Geostigma maybe Sephiroth gets fully dealt with by the end of part 3 eridicated from the lifestream
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
Or they do a follow-up to Dirge with it. But unlikely.
I believe the devs stated they are doing this before they retire so maybe they won’t.
Advent Children in the story and what happens thats presented still makes sense. I just dont think its possible to buy into the way Cloud and Tifas relationship in it in now speaking at all is dimetrically opposed to rebirth which now is "lets talk about things now" etc
unless Real Cloud comes back very differently from even the OG and they focus a lot more on what all that did to his mental state but I really dont know tbh
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
I actually completely disagree. I think perhaps some of the dialogue needs to be tweaked but I could still believe the same events happen.
I also don’t think Rebirth necessarily proves that Tifa and Cloud could no longer have communication issues either.
It’s also a different situation too.
obviously it doesn't necessarily prove it. But what is the point of even focusing and bringing up that if it's never mentioned again. Seems a bit silly tbh. But obviously who knows. It probably will just be how you say considering that they released the movie in cinemas again the same week as rebirth so
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
I think people give too much weight to this "it will always lead to AC" itw.
What they said it's just the Remake trilogy won't invalidate AC. Like Aerith always says "What we've done... that's set in stone. The past is forever. But the future, even if it has been written, can be changed. So focus on the future, not the past."
We pretty much know that AC events are what gave life to this Remake trilogy. Sephiroth saw he can't win. He's trying to change destiny with a new kind of reunion. What AC told us is just that there is a future after FF7 (remember that the OG ending was kinda ambigous) where the party survived, Midgar became Edge, and there is a space cancer. After the end of the trilogy you'll have the AC world state without the space cancer. That's my two cent.
OR
We discover with part 3 we were playing a Sequel AND Prequel. With the nature of the LS future and past collided. The Neo Reunion was a past even we succeed to cancel. Planet is saved. Whispers erase our capacity to see them. AC still happens. And the FF7 universe is an infinite loop. If Sephiroth is still a thing after the remakes, we can't win.
What they said it's just the Remake trilogy won't invalidate AC. Like Aerith always says "What we've done... that's set in stone. The past is forever. But the future, even if it has been written, can be changed. So focus on the future, not the past."
We pretty much know that AC events are what gave life to this Remake trilogy. Sephiroth saw he can't win. He's trying to change destiny with a new kind of reunion. What AC told us is just that there is a future after FF7 (remember that the OG ending was kinda ambigous) where the party survived, Midgar became Edge, and there is a space cancer. After the end of the trilogy you'll have the AC world state without the space cancer. That's my two cent.
OR
We discover with part 3 we were playing a Sequel AND Prequel. With the nature of the LS future and past collided. The Neo Reunion was a past even we succeed to cancel. Planet is saved. Whispers erase our capacity to see them. AC still happens. And the FF7 universe is an infinite loop. If Sephiroth is still a thing after the remakes, we can't win.
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hytekz
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Kitase said very specifically that "Timeline wise AC story should be positioned as one just beyond the remake project"
They're obviously using stuff from the whole compilation (including AC) but if we are to believe Kitase, after the next game, it'll lead to AC.