SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Maidenofwar

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Aerith has Chapter 2. I'm counting the rooftops scene as well. It's not necessarily about romance it's just scenes involving the girls and Cloud.
 
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LNK

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And yet, my 20 years old me was vastly different than my 40+ years old me. It's still me but damn are things different now. It's the same with Aerith: she's really young in CC, grows up until FFVII/Re where she is definitely different, then dies and in CoLW she understands so much better than in FFVII because she's had EXPERIENCE with Sephiroth and so she's different again, transforming into her last vision in ACC. What she was in ACC, she certainly wasn't in CC, almost like a different person and yet. IDK maybe it's because I'm older and I can see the differences that experience bring. We never stop growing up.
Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from. My 40 year old self has a different life experience than my 20 year old self, I just don't see the point in labeling them as different people though. It makes things needlessly complicated imo. It maybe is semantics like Stiggie is saying.

Sure, a future version of myself is still me. But if my future self went back in time and my brother talked to him and then he talked to me, we might respond differently to a conversation. Does that make sense?
It's also equally as likely that you might respond the same.
 

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offtopic but why is the whole of twitter saying thank you Maximillian dood??? is he leaving making content??
just a lot of hate for saying the jenova theory so we are making appreciation tweets cause theres some vile stuff said against him
 

CldS7

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just a lot of hate for saying the jenova theory so we are making appreciation tweets cause theres some vile stuff said against him

damn Elon really turned that awful place into such a cesspit. Can't even make random theories anymore without being attacked for nothing. It's quite tame for a theory as well even though I dont believe it myself. Damn, Sucks
 

Yoru

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I've been busy today but if we're really going to play the Aerith has no scenes game a true barebones minimum run Aerith has Chapter 2, Chapter 7, Chapter 12, end of Chapter 13 (Cloud remembers meeting her on the street with the flower), Chapter 14, Tifa has Chapter 2, Chapter 4, Chapter 9 ... There's obviously a lot more for both of them though.
To each their own, but I would say quantity doesn't mean quality. I'm happy if people are happy, but imo they did her dirty. Obviously she will have a new role compared to the OG and we'll see more of her in Part 3, but if it was her "last" part, I would be pissed.
 

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damn Elon really turned that awful place into such a cesspit. Can't even make random theories anymore without being attacked for nothing. It's quite tame for a theory as well even though I dont believe it myself. Damn, Sucks
its the strangest thing the theory isn't anything anti clerith? i guess its cause he says Aerith is dead which well yeah?
 

Maidenofwar

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You want Aerith to be evil?, a villain incarnate?

It pours mockery on what 's meant to be a wholesome ending of Aerith saying goodbye in a field of flowers to the party and the players in her send off game. If true it would ruin a poignant part of the game.
 
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You want Aerith to be evil?, a villain incarnate?

It pours mockery on what 's meant to be a wholesome ending of Aerith saying goodbye in a field of flowers to the party and the players in her send off game. If true it would ruin a poignant part of the game.
Still not a reason to harass someone. It's not even saying that Aerith is a mad bitch. The point was she wasn't here. You would've told me this at the end of Part 3, I would say "yeah, kind of disrespectful theory" but for now... it's not like we'll not see her again.

I think the theory don't hold too much weight on its own. But I kinda agree Jenova's cell are onto something. I'm not with him when talking about the CGI Aerith during the ending. But the one we see when they're all mourning is creeping me out for real. That's the first thing I thought "Kinda spooky"

So no, the one saying goodbye is our dearly maiden. But i'm pretty sure Jenova will chill and fuck his mind even more with this "Aerith is alive" mindset.
 

LNK

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I think the theory don't hold too much weight on its own. But I kinda agree Jenova's cell are onto something. I'm not with him when talking about the CGI Aerith during the ending. But the one we see when they're all mourning is creeping me out for real. That's the first thing I thought "Kinda spooky"
Yeah, but that Aerith being Jenova is so far out there for a theory.

That scene is spooky enough, without doing something like that. But hey, technically, anything is possible
 

Yoru

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Yeah, but that Aerith being Jenova is so far out there for a theory.

That scene is spooky enough, without doing something like that. But hey, technically, anything is possible

My point is : Cloud created a fake Aerith in his mind, like he created a fake Zack persona. It's not Jenova. More like Jenova is using this weird mind palace of his to continue toying with his mind.

Why you could ask ? Simply because Tsundere Sephiroth wants to separate Cloud from the party. He wants everyone else to see Cloud is loosing it/is a fucking insisitive bitch. He want them to doubt Cloud more and more. He failed to kill Tifa because the planet is protecting her. No it's time to provoke another type of separation. For his evil plan to succeed, he needs to stop the real Cloud to come back.
 

LNK

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My point is : Cloud created a fake Aerith in his mind, like he created a fake Zack persona. It's not Jenova. More like Jenova is using this weird mind palace of his to continue toying with his mind.
That doesn't seem to be what Max is saying though.

Even then, idk if it's Jenova actively doing things within Cloud's mind. As far as I know, outside of Sephiroth, it's his trauma and mako poisoning that is fucking with him mentally.

It is possible they've made it so Jenova is doing more than she did before though
 

Yoru

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That doesn't seem to be what Max is saying though.

Even then, idk if it's Jenova actively doing things within Cloud's mind. As far as I know, outside of Sephiroth, it's his trauma and mako poisoning that is fucking with him mentally.

It is possible they've made it so Jenova is doing more than she did before though
Never said it was Max POV. Just saying to stop the harassement. I'm just telling my own vision of the ending.

When Cloud see Sephiroth out of the blue or this MF tells him Tifa has no scar and Cloud trust him and don't see shit in front of him, I would say it's not too far fetched to think Sephiroth/Jenova cells can do a lot of things in Cloud's brain. Like... making him imagine her lost dear friend (who's speaking with 90% of Remake sentences, except the meteor part. sus.)

It's not Jenova for sure. But the "perfect vision" of her Cloud created to protect himself from breaking. Like he did with Zack kinda.
 

Rin

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Personally, anytime something is kinda confusing or spooky the fandoms first thought is Jenova, which is why I think some people would say that the theory is rather tame.
 

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Gotta be honest I'm not sure why the Jenova = Aerith theory has got people up in a twist, virtually everyone has misconstrued what Max was actually saying...

He wasn't saying Aerith HERSELF is Jenova, he was saying Jenova/Sephiroth was imitating Aerith after her death, i'm not sure that is a difficult concept to grasp and doesn't make Aerith herself evil?

I'm really confused.
 

Yoru

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Personally, anytime something is kinda confusing or spooky the fandoms first thought is Jenova, which is why I think some people would say that the theory is rather tame.
Well... it's the fucking big villain of the story. The origin of all this mess. So yeah it's maybe tame but... when things go shit it's pretty normal to think of her. But I don't even care, it's not my theory, and someone having a bad take/theory doesn't deserve to be shit on and harassed.
 

Rin

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Well... it's the fucking big villain of the story. The origin of all this mess. So yeah it's maybe tame but... when things go shit it's pretty normal to think of her. But I don't even care, it's not my theory, and someone having a bad take/theory doesn't deserve to be shit on and harassed.
I agree with you, hence why I'm saying most people would see it as a tame theory and therefore nothing to get mad about.
 

Yoru

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I agree with you, hence why I'm saying most people would see it as a tame theory and therefore nothing to get mad about.
Oh my bad friend, didn't understand it like that. Sorry !
Gotta be honest I'm not sure why the Jenova = Aerith theory has got people up in a twist, virtually everyone has misconstrued what Max was actually saying...

He wasn't saying Aerith HERSELF is Jenova, he was saying Jenova/Sephiroth was imitating Aerith after her death, i'm not sure that is a difficult concept to grasp and doesn't make Aerith herself evil?

I'm really confused.
Let's be honnest. We know why. It's because it's saying Aerith is dead, that people harrassing someone over a videogame are insecure at minimal, and they're afraid a "big streamer" with an audience is spreading this kind of idea. As if Square Enix was waiting Max ideas to plan what to do next...

And before someone wanna go the whataboutism route : Yes a bad take on Tifa would have pissed the shitty corner of the CloTi fandom too.
 

LNK

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Never said it was Max POV. Just saying to stop the harassement. I'm just telling my own vision of the ending
I know you didn't.

When Cloud see Sephiroth out of the blue or this MF tells him Tifa has no scar and Cloud trust him and don't see shit in front of him, I would say it's not too far fetched to think Sephiroth/Jenova cells can do a lot of things in Cloud's brain. Like... making him imagine her lost dear friend (who's speaking with 90% of Remake sentences, except the meteor part. sus.)

It's definitely possible

He wasn't saying Aerith HERSELF is Jenova, he was saying Jenova/Sephiroth was imitating Aerith after her death, i'm not sure that is a difficult concept to grasp and doesn't make Aerith herself evil?
That's still pretty far out there, since there's no visual clues that that is what's happening. I do think she's dead though
 

Rin

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I've been busy today but if we're really going to play the Aerith has no scenes game a true barebones minimum run Aerith has Chapter 2, Chapter 7, Chapter 12, end of Chapter 13 (Cloud remembers meeting her on the street with the flower), Chapter 14, Tifa has Chapter 2, Chapter 4, Chapter 9 ... There's obviously a lot more for both of them though.
Sorry, I'm just catching up on the thread but what exactly are we counting as chapters for both girls? Like scenes with Cloud, specifically? Or just scenes in general?

I do think that overall both girls got the same amount of time, it's just that a majority of Aerith's screentime comes in towards the end while Tifa's screentime is evenly spread out from beginning to end. I think a lot of people wanted more Aerith-centric content that let us peer into her as a character since this was her "farewell" game.
 
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