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Gym Leader Devil

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So what we really want from RE3 is a Cloud/Tifa kiss with interlocked finger handholding.

Both hands, mind you, which is obviously twice as romantic. Then the doubled romance gets multiplied by the coefficient of lip contact. Adjust for the negative modifier of association with bad affection charts, then divide by 30 for the anniversary of FFVII. And that's how we mathematically prove Cloti, right?

Or... we could embrace our sex crazed Westerner status and find a better use for at least one hand of each character.

I think the choice is clear :monster:
 

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So what we really want from RE3 is a Cloud/Tifa kiss with interlocked finger handholding.

Both hands, mind you, which is obviously twice as romantic. Then the doubled romance gets multiplied by the coefficient of lip contact. Adjust for the negative modifier of association with bad affection charts, then divide by 30 for the anniversary of FFVII. And that's how we mathematically prove Cloti, right?

Or... we could embrace our sex crazed Westerner status and find a better use for at least one hand of each character.

I think the choice is clear :monster:
Imagine this.

We make it to UTH. Tifa says her *famous line and Cloud walks right over and DOUBLE interlock-finger hand holds with Tifa.

Fffffuuuckkkk…
 

Gym Leader Devil

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Agreed, although I'm honestly unsure which race is being insulted more here. The western "sluts" or the Asian "prudes"

It doesn't matter which is worse, the important thing is that it's insulting to everyone.

Guy dies and girl stays loyal after death though, that's gotta count for something

Who wants to tell Stiggie that story continues and gets so much dumber?
 

Ryushikaze

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Yeah like slut shaming Tifa.

It’s weird to me how much I see people say she is designed for horny westerners when I’m like uh, do yall know what hentai is…
Plus, she is clearly, CLEARLY Nomura's type.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of Squinoa/Clerith crossover is there? You'd think there would be. (I'm not really involved in FF8 fandom lol).
Ironically, the opposite is the case. One of the biggest fucking Squinoa shippers I have ever known was also very very into Cloti.
 

Stiggie

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If she’s his type than why is he okaying her getting KISSED like a PROSTITUTE?

He needs to do right by her.
Clearly he's got a thing for prostitutes since yuna and rinoa also got kissed, the filthy harlots

Who wants to tell Stiggie that story continues and gets so much dumber
Exactly, it had exactly what cleriths wanted, bs happens, happy go lucky dead love interrest comes back to life !!!
 

Stiggie

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Thanks for the heads-up
So they actually end up living together for real?
You really wanna know?

Yeah, they end up living together and raising (adopted) kids, hell, it's heavily Implied they sleep together before the final battle in the og, yes people still argue they aren't a thing, I am telling you, save your sanity and run now

Oh, and warning, this entire discussion just gets more absurd the more you learn about it, that wasn't even half of what makes this insane.

Just wait till you hear what the cause is of Clouds weird behavior, how it started, and the twists of how both girls sort of come into play in that entire thing. Once you know that, and then still hear people being unsure of who the real love interrest is, you'll feel like you're in some sort of bad dream where things don't make sense and people are insane and yet you won't wake up.
 
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Sacky

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You really wanna know?

Yeah, they end up living together and raising (adopted) kids, hell, it's heavily Implied they sleep together before the final battle in the og, yes people still argue they aren't a thing, I am telling you, save your sanity and run now

Oh, and warning, this entire discussion just gets more absurd the more you learn about it, that wasn't even half of what makes this insane.

Just wait till you hear what cause is of Clouds weird behavior, how it started, and the twists of how both girls sort of come into play in that entire thing. Once you know that, and then still hear people being unsure of who the real love interrest is, you'll feel like you're in some sort of bad dream where things don't make sense and people are insane and yet you won't wake up.
Welcome to hell a debate that was answered 27 years ago yet still remains from sheer willpower alone
 

Gym Leader Devil

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Exactly, it had exactly what cleriths wanted, bs happens, happy go lucky dead love interrest comes back to life !!!

It uh... It keeps going past that unfortunately :doh: And gets dumb. Tidus blows himself to chunky salsa kicking an old mine he mistook for a blitzball dumb. Unless that got thrown out while I was gone? Please tell me it got thrown out.
 

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I uhh ... really didn't like Rinoa way back when I first played ff8 she even made my "the worst" characters list, it was a very short list but yeah xD My favourite was Selphie, I even named Aerith Selphie.

I did think Rinoa was beautiful and Angelo was her saving grace as she grew on me over the years, OP in battle too.
 

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It uh... It keeps going past that unfortunately :doh: And gets dumb. Tidus blows himself to chunky salsa kicking an old mine he mistook for a blitzball dumb. Unless that got thrown out while I was gone? Please tell me it got thrown out.
Nojima had to be drunk when he wrote that.

That and the audio drama are like... the only misses from him (for me as I like most everything else he's written)

Although, I'm not sure how canon they are as they obviously exist to set up X-3 and we're not even sure if that will still happen now.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
It uh... It keeps going past that unfortunately :doh: And gets dumb. Tidus blows himself to chunky salsa kicking an old mine he mistook for a blitzball dumb. Unless that got thrown out while I was gone? Please tell me it got thrown out.
Literally never been referenced since and 10-3 is never happening, so I would say their story currently ends at special mission.

To be fair, there is no second guy in that equation. Unless you count random suitors.
There is Brother.
Who is her cousin. And insane.
So yeah, no second guy!

Nojima had to be drunk when he wrote that.

That and the audio drama are like... the only misses from him (for me as I like most everything else he's written)

Although, I'm not sure how canon they are as they obviously exist to set up X-3 and we're not even sure if that will still happen now.
Yeah, it ended on a fucked up cliffhanger and then 10 was done with. I think it was setting up some new conflict for Yuna in a sequel that never manifested and has been quietly memory holed since I don't think it's ever referenced anywhere.
 

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I uhh ... really didn't like Rinoa way back when I first played ff8 she even made my "the worst" characters list, it was a very short list but yeah xD My favourite was Selphie, I even named Aerith Selphie.

I did think Rinoa was beautiful and Angelo was her saving grace as she grew on me over the years, OP in battle too.
I don't know if i would put Rinoa in a "worst" list of any kind myself, but i was more of a Selphie person myself too. I never really warmed up for the Squall and Rinoa relationship either.
 

Ryushikaze

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Also don't think I forgot about this one.

To me she's straight up Shrodinger's Aerith until SE lets me observe her actual state.
Also entirely fair. I am guessing just as everyone else is. I'm just saying what I see and how it fits the evidence as I understand it.

Resist temptation to reference Blackface-Norris. Resist.
Go on, live a little.

Better insulation and an isolation bunker on the capacitors, gotcha.
With purifying flame on standby just in case.

Feels like it could get ugly even if they did.
Plus most places have a "we do not accept fan suggestions" as a general rule for liability/ royalty's sake.

I love how she can shift comedic stylings for each party member you pair her with and never feel OOC for it.
She's EVERYONE'S wacky kid sister.

Almost nothing, that's just a shame. Going back to our talk of twists, one of my favorites is the twist silly reference joke. Example, back when MTG was just Eldrazi the game and we got "We know, you can't even."
Specifically taking a common idea or catch phrase and making a one step further response and then letting the reader work back to the reference itself, you mean?

So they're chaotic in approach while lawfully devoted to their ship. Is Pink Hell a chamber of the Underdark? Cause this sounds Drow-ish.
Ah Lolth, the psycho goth cheerleader bitch queen herself. Also yes, very second edition drow, before the got their especially odd edges filed off.

I think that actually happened more than once. Their "arguments" weren't the only thing they tended to repeat after all. Was it Tres who compared it to Spira's whole Spiral of Death? Sounds like him but it could've been any number of folks. Hell I thought it, but someone beat me to the post.
I could see Tres making that reference, yeah.

I'm quoting you on that later. I will provide ni context. The people receiving said quotation will be all "who the fuck is Ryushikaze?" and I will laugh.
Except the one person, who will know, and stare you dead in the face and go "Dammit. If he says it. It must be so."

It'd be criminal not to take that deal
Not only is it mutually beneficial, the whole world wins.

Ah but I never claimed Jean perpetrated the incident, only that afterward she was but rarely allowed to be the firey redhead of old by the editors.
I was just saying that two redheads who are technically you destroy a galaxy and invite a hell dimension to Manhattan and you never get to have fun any more. It's criminal.

I think the readership let Kitty move further from her time with Logan than most. I seem to recall her straight up being Headmistress of Xavier's School for a bit? Jubes by comparison still has Wolverine's sidekick vibes much later. Plus Laura is Wolverine so she's the most primed to team up with the others in general.
Well, she's Logan's test tube baby daughter rather than explicit clone (she has her own actual Clone, too) but yes, very much her father's daughter in the teamup regard. I do wish they'd pick one to be Wolverine and let the other have a new name. Like with Pete and Miles. Ben Reilly got a new name (And though not as bad as OMD, that's another arc I wish had gone in an alternate direction I heard was the original plan)

A thought, would Kurt work for Nanaki as well or better than Cannonball? Scary looking, covered in fur, comes off as wise and genuinely is but is also a big old child with a fanboy mentality. Scales walls, backflips midnight as an offensive technique... I could go on.
Actually very deeply spiritual, has a long term love interest who barely shows up, no, Kurt fits very well for Nanaki. Let's get some blue dye and run with this.

Also, Mr. Sinister for Hojo?
Him or Hodge for sure. Like all the mad science of Sinister and the petty bullshit of Hodge.

I'm not aware of him scamming cash from what I've seen, just attention.

Well you can't take a swing at the blurnz ball if you stand outside the stadium :awesome:
Especially given the tether.

True rage tears down empires, frees slaves, and emboldens us to outlive our enemies. It's not some evil thing from outside, it serves an important function in nature and society. It exists for a reason. It's why I could never fully get behind the Jedi order. Idunno if they ever got this but Obi-Wan didn't beat Maul (first time) until he got mad. Luke beat Vader by getting mad. The trick is knowing when you've accomplished what you can with your rage and stopping... which is admittedly hard to do.
Yeah, a lot of fan media really wanted Luke to go down the balanced Gray Jedi route about mastering the self without denying the self.

But how's it's mileage? :awesomonster:
Hard to tell. Crazy Tank never seems to run out, so... infinite?

That could be good or I'll depending on how it goes. Looking at you 76, with your fully modern Deathclaws and Brotherhood chapters and other such shite. Also just fir being shite.
I've heard the gameplay has much improved since launch, but yes, the wanting to shoehorn the recognizable no matter how well or poorly they fit is still bleh.

Friends don't let friends debate fallaciously :monster:
Stopping them is the most ethical thing to do.

NGL, I loved this part of Aerith's character.
It's both very admirable and very relatable at the same time.

Burger Time type customer service mini-games, but with flowers!
Bouquet Building Action!

I insist that he be out cold just long enough for some bored slum kids to paint his face in candy skull patterns. Then we watch everyone lose their minds over "what does this mean?!" Beyond that, agreed.
I'm down for this.
 

Gym Leader Devil

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Also don't think I forgot about this one.

Ryu doesn't forget, though he may allow you to think he has until it's too late. It is known.

Also entirely fair. I am guessing just as everyone else is. I'm just saying what I see and how it fits the evidence as I understand it.

My main reason for not speculating is that my own reading of available evidence is all over the place. Once they show me where North is l might go sailing that sea, till then imma sit on the rocks and watch people try not to run aground.

Go on, live a little.

Unlike Another World Serge :awesome:

With purifying flame on standby just in case.

Now we're getting into CDC level precautions. Well people did always look at this thread as a disease.

Plus most places have a "we do not accept fan suggestions" as a general rule for liability/ royalty's sake.

Exactly the kind of ugly I was picturing. Fucking about with fan suggestions in a copyrighted IP is like juggling lit dynamite. Might be a damn good show, but you know the ending is gonna be messy.

She's EVERYONE'S wacky kid sister.

The wacky little sister they didn't know they needed. Especially Cloud, gimme more Cloud interacting with kids SE. Having a special on Toad King jobs today slayed me.

Specifically taking a common idea or catch phrase and making a one step further response and then letting the reader work back to the reference itself, you mean?

That exactly. No attention called to it, just one day you look at a chapter title, a character name, an item description, the reference clicks, laughter is had. Or more rarely other feels, but usually laughter.

Ah Lolth, the psycho goth cheerleader bitch queen herself. Also yes, very second edition drow, before the got their especially odd edges filed off.

Lolth you crazy bitch, you actually did it. You made it lawful to act chaotically. Chef's kiss from a long time chaotic neutral tiefling Gish for that. Still staying in my homebrew 2e setting where drow gave their odd edges filed down rather than off.[/I]

I could see Tres making that reference, yeah.

My memory of the event may be faulty, but my memory of the man is fine :monster: I kept the first thing he said to me in my sig forever for a reason.

Except the one person, who will know, and stare you dead in the face and go "Dammit. If he says it. It must be so."

There always must be that one person who gets the reference. Said person shall feel smug about it. And may be Clicky.

Not only is it mutually beneficial, the whole world wins.

Even though I despise a lot of the whole world, I'm willing to allow them a win on behalf of everyone else. I trust you all to keep that benevolence to yourselves.

I was just saying that two redheads who are technically you destroy a galaxy and invite a hell dimension to Manhattan and you never get to have fun any more. It's criminal.

So a typical day for Marvel editorial then? At least till they kicked Quesada upstairs where he could do no less harm.

Well, she's Logan's test tube baby daughter rather than explicit clone (she has her own actual Clone, too) but yes, very much her father's daughter in the teamup regard. I do wish they'd pick one to be Wolverine and let the other have a new name. Like with Pete and Miles. Ben Reilly got a new name (And though not as bad as OMD, that's another arc I wish had gone in an alternate direction I heard was the original plan)

Is Laura still using Wolverine as her own name? I've lost track of late. Though I admit I actually find Pete and Miles both using Spider-Man endearing. Peter feeling secure enough to share the name is sweet, and I love when they just casually call each other Spider-Man while bantering.

Agreed concerning Ben Riley and his whole deal. I can't believe it actually got worse when he came back. Jackal Riley really bugs me.


Actually very deeply spiritual, has a long term love interest who barely shows up, no, Kurt fits very well for Nanaki. Let's get some blue dye and run with this.

I'm a little ashamed for not thinking of Kurt sooner. I mean, it's Kurt! The Amazing Nightcrawler himself! Blue dye is a go.

I'm still racking my brain for Vincent. Any thoughts there? I'm afraid Deadpool keeps interfering on my "red and black and shoots people" thoughts and... obviously no. Just no.


Him or Hodge for sure. Like all the mad science of Sinister and the petty bullshit of Hodge.

I want no part of a Sinister/Hodge fusion or team up. Cease. I'll take God Carnage over that.

Especially given the tether.

You win, I got nowhere to go from here :awesome:

Yeah, a lot of fan media really wanted Luke to go down the balanced Gray Jedi route about mastering the self without denying the self.

S'what I wanted. Every Star Wars OC I've ever played ended up a more emotional than average Jedi or a more self-controlled than average Sith. Extremes are bad, mmkay?

Hard to tell. Crazy Tank never seems to run out, so... infinite?

Infinite is good unless you're playing Sonic Forces. Then Infinite sucks ass.

I've heard the gameplay has much improved since launch, but yes, the wanting to shoehorn the recognizable no matter how well or poorly they fit is still bleh.

There was nowhere to go but up, so that's damning with faint praise if ever I've heard it.

Speaking of shoehorning, one of the things that interested me about Fallout London was the complete absence of the usual Fallout critters. Hell even Ghouls seemed to have a different spin on them. I still want a peak at Fallout Australia, but I have to assume there are basically no humans left there.


Stopping them is the most ethical thing to do.

Indeed. I personally thank you for those times you've pulled me back from the brink of making a fallacious argument. One should not always fight fire with fire after all.

It's both very admirable and very relatable at the same time.

I quoted your whole post if course, but this bit in particular is FFT.

Bouquet Building Action!

Oh, I'm picturing this as a puzzle game. Or better yet, make it Surgeon Simulator with flowers.

I'm down for this.

This is why we're friends.
 
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nepheneethedestroyer

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I uhh ... really didn't like Rinoa way back when I first played ff8 she even made my "the worst" characters list, it was a very short list but yeah xD My favourite was Selphie, I even named Aerith Selphie.

I did think Rinoa was beautiful and Angelo was her saving grace as she grew on me over the years, OP in battle too.

I used to be a Seiftis shipper :huh::D Rinoa was never my favorite of the FF8 gang, though I agree I think she grows on you.

I mean by that logic how could you be wrong. But do we call the ship Rio or Dude?

Both of these are incredible ship names...I'm partial to Dude :D
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
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Ryu doesn't forget, though he may allow you to think he has until it's too late. It is known.
Inexorable Inevitability is the name of the game.

My main reason for not speculating is that my own reading of available evidence is all over the place. Once they show me where North is l might go sailing that sea, till then imma sit on the rocks and watch people try not to run aground.
Fair. Pay no attention to how I'm sailing uphill across dry land somehow.

Unlike Another World Serge :awesome:
Ba-dum-tish

Now we're getting into CDC level precautions. Well people did always look at this thread as a disease.
I mean, we were very much infested for a time.

Exactly the kind of ugly I was picturing. Fucking about with fan suggestions in a copyrighted IP is like juggling lit dynamite. Might be a damn good show, but you know the ending is gonna be messy.
A card game I love has said "We cannot for legal reasons ever admit to looking at fan created content and we HATE THAT FACT."

The wacky little sister they didn't know they needed. Especially Cloud, gimme more Cloud interacting with kids SE. Having a special on Toad King jobs today slayed me.
We need more of Cloud having to deal with Yuffie and Kyrie at the same time.

That exactly. No attention called to it, just one day you look at a chapter title, a character name, an item description, the reference clicks, laughter is had. Or more rarely other feels, but usually laughter.
Like the homage put into the test enemies they put into rebirth. Perfectly reasonable statement about "escaped due to developer oversight" in their bio, but for those in the know...

Lolth you crazy bitch, you actually did it. You made it lawful to act chaotically. Chef's kiss from a long time chaotic neutral tiefling Gish for that. Still staying in my homebrew 2e setting where drow gave their odd edges filed down rather than off.
Ahh, homebrew settings. The one I made where the entire planet was covered by a fog that allowed sea creatures to swim through sky as easily as water was a fun one.

There always must be that one person who gets the reference. Said person shall feel smug about it. And may be Clicky.
Most likely. In a previous job I had the unofficial duty of "getting the manager's reference" because no one else did.

Even though I despise a lot of the whole world, I'm willing to allow them a win on behalf of everyone else. I trust you all to keep that benevolence to yourselves.
I'll make sure the credit goes elsewhere.

So a typical day for Marvel editorial then? At least till they kicked Quesada upstairs where he could do no less harm.
Pretty much.

Is Laura still using Wolverine as her own name? I've lost track of late.
Yep. So's Logan. I'd be fine with him giving up the name and taking a new one, but editorial seems to want them sharing it.

Though I admit I actually find Pete and Miles both using Spider-Man endearing. Peter feeling secure enough to share the name is sweet, and I love when they just casually call each other Spider-Man while bantering.
It is odd he's the only member of the NY Spider-crew without a unique monicker.

Agreed concerning Ben Riley and his whole deal. I can't believe it actually got worse when he came back. Jackal Riley really bugs me.
I really wish they'd gone with the Ben was really a time-displaced Pete idea and had the Clone saga end with the Cosmic entity resposible (Might have been mephisto) picking Pete up, throwing him back in time, and "Ben" suddenly remembering everything.

I'm a little ashamed for not thinking of Kurt sooner. I mean, it's Kurt! The Amazing Nightcrawler himself! Blue dye is a go.

I'm still racking my brain for Vincent. Any thoughts there? I'm afraid Deadpool keeps interfering on my "red and black and shoots people" thoughts and... obviously no. Just no.
Cable, perhaps? Color scheme's different but themes are fairly on point.

I want no part of a Sinister/Hodge fusion or team up. Cease. I'll take God Carnage over that.
Not even a Sinister/Hodge fusion wants a Sinister/Hodge fusion to exist.

You win, I got nowhere to go from here :awesome:
You could always go to the ruins of Old New York, or the lost city of Atlanta.

S'what I wanted. Every Star Wars OC I've ever played ended up a more emotional than average Jedi or a more self-controlled than average Sith. Extremes are bad, mmkay?
Indeed. You'd think with the idea of Balance that eventually they'd realizing it was okay to be a little less of a pure goody two shoes.

Infinite is good unless you're playing Sonic Forces. Then Infinite sucks ass.
I'll believe it. Never played forces.

There was nowhere to go but up, so that's damning with faint praise if ever I've heard it.

Speaking of shoehorning, one of the things that interested me about Fallout London was the complete absence of the usual Fallout critters. Hell even Ghouls seemed to have a different spin on them. I still want a peak at Fallout Australia, but I have to assume there are basically no humans left there.
I always pretend the opposite. Area we have no information on are actually totally fine and dandy. Thriving, even. Because it's silly.
Or make absurd lore, like the singular Florida Man who is actually a beacon of wisdom, mercy, and compassion.

Indeed. I personally thank you for those times you've pulled me back from the brink of making a fallacious argument. One should not always fight fire with fire after all.
You are most welcome.

I quoted your whole post if course, but this bit in particular is FFT.
And thank you for the kind words.

Oh, I'm picturing this as a puzzle game. Or better yet, make it Surgeon Simulator with flowers.
I was thinking Trauma center, but Surgeon Sim works just as well. Maybe get both in there somehow.

This is why we're friends.
Now do you want to be on tripping duty or sharpie duty?
 
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