SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[GamerSkull]

Run Run away and never return in truth, though it does all start with one message or one reply and then its over. You start seeing more things you know is obviously wrong then you start seeing more takes but its not about the plot its about the characters and its horrfically wrong and most of the time disgusting then you can't help to reply, Then the rest of your time is spent debating on which pixels love which pixels while being curious just how crazy the takes get, and then you learn the lore of the LTD and you yourself start getting involved because you want to see the scenes and how they will piss off the toxic ones. Then you eventually start becoming bitter and toxic while people tell you you are wrong when you know you are right. Worst part is this what both sides think XD

The LTD will live in our heads, rent-free.

 

[Sacky]

The LTD will live in our heads, rent-free.

ive only been here a couple months, but it traps you and the worst part is no matter how hellish and awful it is, its entertaining and enjoyable to discuss something you are passionate about. its a horrible trap XD

 

[Eerie]

ive only been here a couple months, but it traps you and the worst part is no matter how hellish and awful it is, its entertaining and enjoyable to discuss something you are passionate about. its a horrible trap XD

You say that but just tonight I saw the worst on both sides:

• a CT being hateful and mysoginistic towards Aerith (like chill and go touch some grass, seriously); it's absolutely shocking when you're not used to seeing those attacks, like she's just pixels, is it even worth getting so worked up?
• another CT being attacked because she dared to tweet that she found it cute that Tifa had only loved one boy all her life (literally the trope of childhood friends to lovers which is CT). She had to go private because of this tweet, it's insane actually to think about it (edit: I can see the tweet again so maybe she got out of private now).

So yeah fandom phew. Sometimes it's good but sometimes you're like "wtf dude".

 

[Ryushikaze]

You say that but just tonight I saw the worst on both sides:

• a CT being hateful and mysoginistic towards Aerith (like chill and go touch some grass, seriously); it's absolutely shocking when you're not used to seeing those attacks, like she's just pixels, is it even worth getting so worked up?
• another CT being attacked because she dared to tweet that she found it cute that Tifa had only loved one boy all her life (literally the trope of childhood friends to lovers which is CT). She had to go private because of this tweet, it's insane actually to think about it (edit: I can see the tweet again so maybe she got out of private now).

So yeah fandom phew. Sometimes it's good but sometimes you're like "wtf dude".

Twitter was and is a mistake.

 

[GamerSkull]

Twitter was and is a mistake.

It also kinda promotes some of the stupid stuff that goes on there. Because there is not much space for nuanced takes or even debates, it quickly just becomes a bunch of people trying to do a "mic drop take".

 

[nars305]

I think it’s sad for people who just genuinely want to share that they like Aerith or share that they like Tifa to get hate for it.

I can’t say there is a character I dislike at all. I love them all and their relationships with each other. Speaking more towards Tifa and Aerith…I don’t know how you can see the things they went through and dislike either of them. They are both such nice characters.

 

[GamerSkull]

I like both as well. But I like them as they were depicted, and not what fans want them to be. Which is where I think the Rebirth spoiler thread is really going off the rails, people are arguing for Aerith to return because they want something different. They say that the story can still explore the same theme if Aerith is alive, but I think it really does a disservice to what she's meant to represent if a lot what surrounded her is changed.

But I also think this is where the shipping "war" comes in as well. People want to be validated, so a lot of the ones arguing for Cloti like you and I are comprised of people that found that the canon story was pushing them by the end. There are people that enjoy the couple, I certainly do but it's still secondary as to what has been established as canon. Same for Clerith fans, they want their ship validated by canon, as if that is a requirement to be able to enjoy it.

To make a long story short, a lot of CT fans I feel are arguing for what is canon more so because that seems like the most natural read of the OG game... and while a good portion also enjoy the ship, I think for a lot of people it's more about not twisting the story than it is about a couple they like being canon.

 

[Eerie]

There’s also the problem that when people try to disprove CT, they usually distort the characters, and when you’re seeing your favourite characters being disfigured, it makes you want to fight back.

 

[GamerSkull]

There’s also the problem that when people try to disprove CT, they usually distort the characters, and when you’re seeing your favourite characters being disfigured, it makes you want to fight back.

Yeah, the very fact that people need to besmirch Tifa kinda annoys me. Propping up your ship is one thing, but doing so by tearing another character down and completely mischaracterizing them is just gross.

 

[ChaosandConfusion]

@Sacky I think Cloud cares for both women (everyone really) but Tifa seems to be the one he's in love with. My 71 year old nana said Cloud sounds like he's going home with Tifa after his mission's over.

@Gym Leader Devil Thanks an' shit

All these ominous warnings are making curious and not deterring me at all. 27 years is a long time to be squabbling over pixels, I've only been alive 19 years and my attention span allows me obsess over something for no more than 2 weeks at best.

 

[Sacky]

@Sacky I think Cloud cares for both women (everyone really) but Tifa seems to be the one he's in love with. My 71 year old nana said Cloud sounds like he's going home with Tifa after his mission's over.

@Gym Leader Devil Thanks an' shit

All these ominous warnings are making curious and not deterring me at all. 27 years is a long time to be squabbling over pixels, I've only been alive 19 years and my attention span allows me obsess over something for no more than 2 weeks at best.

damm you nailed the LTD in one game XD
which scene did your nana say this at by the way XD

 

[GamerSkull]

@Sacky I think Cloud cares for both women (everyone really) but Tifa seems to be the one he's in love with. My 71 year old nana said Cloud sounds like he's going home with Tifa after his mission's over.

@Gym Leader Devil Thanks an' shit

All these ominous warnings are making curious and not deterring me at all. 27 years is a long time to be squabbling over pixels, I've only been alive 19 years and my attention span allows me obsess over something for no more than 2 weeks at best.

Personally, I have the same reading as you. I also think that:

Don't read this if you wish to remain unspoiled but OG FF7 spoilers

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the original game presents Clerith in the first half but after her death, once his true memories return and he regains his real self it's pretty clear he loves Tifa. Especially considering the twist that his reason for wanting to join SOLDIER was so he could be special to her and feel worthy of her. In that, the romance he has with Aerith is a bit of a red herring. Although I would still say romance is maybe too strong a word, as it's mostly Aerith flirting and Cloud somewhat reciprocating

I'd say the real argument is over people who like the idea of Aerith and Cloud together, but there are other FF games where those archetypes have romance... namely FF8.

 

[nars305]

Yeah, the very fact that people need to besmirch Tifa kinda annoys me. Propping up your ship is one thing, but doing so by tearing another character down and completely mischaracterizing them is just gross.

Yeah like slut shaming Tifa.

It’s weird to me how much I see people say she is designed for horny westerners when I’m like uh, do yall know what hentai is…

 

[Sacky]

You say that but just tonight I saw the worst on both sides:

• a CT being hateful and mysoginistic towards Aerith (like chill and go touch some grass, seriously); it's absolutely shocking when you're not used to seeing those attacks, like she's just pixels, is it even worth getting so worked up?
• another CT being attacked because she dared to tweet that she found it cute that Tifa had only loved one boy all her life (literally the trope of childhood friends to lovers which is CT). She had to go private because of this tweet, it's insane actually to think about it (edit: I can see the tweet again so maybe she got out of private now).

So yeah fandom phew. Sometimes it's good but sometimes you're like "wtf dude".

Its horrible the takes are just insane but some days there funny like the Fish XD some days they make you lose faith in humanity
i also saw those two takes the Photography one right absolutely insane and then the one boy which was just someone finding it cute

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah like slut shaming Tifa.

It’s weird to me how much I see people say she is designed for horny westerners when I’m like uh, do yall know what hentai is…

That's just cope. She's hot and really busty... so it's an easy target to minimize her importance by saying she only exists for fanservice.

And I think it's pretty clear she seems to never have been interested in romance except Cloud. Just because she's really attractive doesn't mean she was going around dating people willy nilly. In fact, she was probably way busy, as ToTP confirms. And then when she gets the bar, she probably didn't have much free time. In fact, she even states she has barely enough time to decorate her apartment because she's got the bar to worry about.

 

[Sacky]

Yeah like slut shaming Tifa.

It’s weird to me how much I see people say she is designed for horny westerners when I’m like uh, do yall know what hentai is…

I've noticed the strange stance that Westerners are horny sex obsessed people who cant understand While Japan is pure non sex non kssing and undestands everything more than any other country. A lot of takes put westerners vs Japanese its really weird especially when you know the people saying this are in fact not Japanese

 

[GamerSkull]

I've noticed the strange stance that Westerners are horny sex obsessed people who cant understand While Japan is pure non sex non kssing and undestands everything more than any other country. A lot of takes put westerners vs Japanese its really weird especially when you know the people saying this are in fact not Japanese

It's bordering on racism tbh

 

[Sacky]

I like both as well. But I like them as they were depicted, and not what fans want them to be. Which is where I think the Rebirth spoiler thread is really going off the rails, people are arguing for Aerith to return because they want something different. They say that the story can still explore the same theme if Aerith is alive, but I think it really does a disservice to what she's meant to represent if a lot what surrounded her is changed.

But I also think this is where the shipping "war" comes in as well. People want to be validated, so a lot of the ones arguing for Cloti like you and I are comprised of people that found that the canon story was pushing them by the end. There are people that enjoy the couple, I certainly do but it's still secondary as to what has been established as canon. Same for Clerith fans, they want their ship validated by canon, as if that is a requirement to be able to enjoy it.

To make a long story short, a lot of CT fans I feel are arguing for what is canon more so because that seems like the most natural read of the OG game... and while a good portion also enjoy the ship, I think for a lot of people it's more about not twisting the story than it is about a couple they like being canon.

im just saying if i need to open a 20 page thread to understand an ending its not a good ending

 

[nepheneethedestroyer]

I'd say the real argument is over people who like the idea of Aerith and Cloud together, but there are other FF games where those archetypes have romance... namely FF8.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of Squinoa/Clerith crossover is there? You'd think there would be. (I'm not really involved in FF8 fandom lol).

 

[Sacky]

That's just cope. She's hot and really busty... so it's an easy target to minimize her importance by saying she only exists for fanservice.

And I think it's pretty clear she seems to never have been interested in romance except Cloud. Just because she's really attractive doesn't mean she was going around dating people willy nilly. In fact, she was probably way busy, as ToTP confirms. And then when she gets the bar, she probably didn't have much free time. In fact, she even states she has barely enough time to decorate her apartment because she's got the bar to worry about.

the take that attractive people are sex obsessed really needs to die...

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of Squinoa/Clerith crossover is there? You'd think there would be. (I'm not really involved in FF8 fandom lol).

I would actually say Squinoa is pretty much what people want Clerith to be. Very introverted person who keeps people at arms length meets an incredibly outgoing and extroverted girl who gets him to soften up and then they fall in love.

It's everything Clerith fans like... except that the characters are not literally Cloud and Aerith.

 

[Sacky]

I would actually say Squinoa is pretty much what people want Clerith to be. Very introverted person who keeps people at arms length meets an incredibly outgoing and extroverted girl who gets him to soften up and then they fall in love.

It's everything Clerith fans like... except that the characters are not literally Cloud and Aerith.

not pink enough im afraid

 

[GamerSkull]

not pink enough im afraid

There's Tidus and Yuna. Except that's in reverse as the girl is more introverted and the guy is extroverted.

 

[nars305]

I've noticed the strange stance that Westerners are horny sex obsessed people who cant understand While Japan is pure non sex non kssing and undestands everything more than any other country. A lot of takes put westerners vs Japanese its really weird especially when you know the people saying this are in fact not Japanese

It’s weird as hell.

I’m sure if Aerith was given a kiss they would maintain their position that kissing had been reserved for prostitutes in Japan.

 

[GamerSkull]

It’s weird as hell.

I’m sure if Aerith was given a kiss they would maintain their position that kissing had been reserved for prostitutes in Japan.

Stuff like that and the interlocked fingers thing are just arguments they are using so they can remain in denial tbh.

There is no proof that handholding with interlocked fingers is more romantic than a kiss. And context-wise, Cloud is not treating Tifa like a prostitute. That's just absurd.

I would bet the truth is more like; "Handholding with fingers interlocked can be romantic and not frowned upon when in public, but a kiss is more romantic but should be best done in private."

From what I know, Japan is a lot more conservative so it's likely the truth is more that they just don't appreciate PDA and would rather that be behind closed doors.

This is my most good faith acceptance of such an argument.