SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[imach0c0]

Did you notice that merchant who gave that brooch said "come on, man" to Cloud.

This was one of Zack's most memorable catchphraces in Crisis Core when Zack and Aerith tried to catch Bruno who stole Zack's wallet.

Also that old woman who was selling candy said "if only we all had more time."

When Aerith gave her 23 tiny wishes to Zack he noticed that her biggest wish was "I'd like to spend more time with you"

It's like poetry. It rhymes.

What is the JP text for those lines? Is it consistent to the JP lines in CC?

 

[Sacky]

How did you friend interpret that Aerith "arigatou" ?

What hand hold gesture are you referring to?

the typical stuff im not the one saying this stuff btw
this is me in a discussion and they brought up speaking to
their japanese friend

 

[GamerSkull]

Holy hell. I actually like Tidus and Yuna as a ship and I feel like I’m gonna start looking at them with disdain now because of some of these takes.

Please Nojima. Please end this with Part 3, I beg you.

 

[SilverSisu]

What is the JP text for those lines? Is it consistent to the JP lines in CC?

I can't speak japanese so i can't say unfortunately. Maybe someone else can tell us more about that scene.

 

[Yoru]

I call bullshit on all of these “I checked with my Japanese friend” claims.

It's not the ship war we lost that's important. It's the Japanese friend we made along the way.


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[Sacky]

This is the crap they say when getting into discussions. i seriously doubt their japanese friend exists

About the kiss scene, the devs seemingly chose to depict Cloud and Tifa's relationship as more physical because it's the only way they can express their affection at that point. They still have a lot of work to do to sort things out. On the other end, Aerith and Cloud hold hands the way only very close or married couples do in Japan, because the devs wanted to depict their bound as more emotional. Both girls represent very different archetypes of lovers, so it's only natural the relationships don't grow the same way but that doesn't mean one is more legit than the other. And for the "like" dialogue, Aerith is a lot clearer in Japanese but some of the subtlety is lost in translation. She uses two different words to say like, one being more platonic and the other more romantic and she implies very strongly she leans more on the second.

Remind me never to reply to some wrong information that i thought was just someone not educated on the topic not a shipper

 

[Sacky]

Cloud and Tifa spent the whole game having an emotional bond that involved arguments, making up, being vulnerable with each other, discussing their memories, and almost kissing
Also gotta love this point being brought up again, not like we know the truth of what Cloud Cherishes most "EVERYTHING"

No ship is canon and the Gongaga thing is as much a plot point as Aerith being what Cloud "cherishes most" is.

i cant my brain hurts too much somehow we are having OG arguments in 2024

 

[GamerSkull]

Imagine if Cloud and Tifa hold hands with interlocked fingers in Part 3…

Anyway, I’m done with this. My bullshit gauge has hit critical mass.

 

[nars305]

This is the response i got back on the thank you thing
"About the "thank you" thing, it was explained to me by a Japanese friend so I'm sorry but I'm very much inclined to believe her on that subject, the same way she explained to me the hand gesture and I trust her explanations on that too. On top of that, the FFX example is proof enough it can at least be interpreted that way even if you just discard it by saying translators were incompetent fools back in the day. The acting from the scene itself, and the way Aerith tries to brush it off almost immediately, should also be a convincing clue she said something a lot deeper than a mere "thank you" even if you just take Rebirth into consideration here. "

I don't even know what to say anymore this is insane

I learned about context clues in the 4th grade.

So Yuna says I love you/Thank you, in which Tidus is surprised and then hugs her, reciprocating.

Aerith says thank you, Cloud has a reaction, then Aerith says she’ll be okay and backs off hugging him. No reciprocation from Cloud.

So if we say “thank you” is I love you, where does Cloud reciprocate these feelings? If she meant “I love you” then why would Cloud NOT be surprised at such a declaration of feelings from Aerith?

So it can be two things, he is surprised she said she loves him…so I guess this could mean because he loves her back OR it can mean he is shocked she has these strong feelings.

So…based on the fact he does not reciprocate anything, I am only left with Aerith expressing her feelings and Cloud doing nothing to show he has mutual feelings.

*Also have to add, I believe she was simply saying thank you.

 

[abzy1200]

Something else about the dream date is that when Aerith says "a place of memories," it immediatly cuts to Zack sitting a the church

This is the response i got back on the thank you thing
"About the "thank you" thing, it was explained to me by a Japanese friend so I'm sorry but I'm very much inclined to believe her on that subject, the same way she explained to me the hand gesture and I trust her explanations on that too. On top of that, the FFX example is proof enough it can at least be interpreted that way even if you just discard it by saying translators were incompetent fools back in the day. The acting from the scene itself, and the way Aerith tries to brush it off almost immediately, should also be a convincing clue she said something a lot deeper than a mere "thank you" even if you just take Rebirth into consideration here. "

I don't even know what to say anymore this is insane

I call bullshit on all of these “I checked with my Japanese friend” claims.

I asked a Japanese person about it and they had this to say:


Sorry for not doing the thing you guys are doing with twitter posts, I don't really know how to do it.

 

[Sacky]

Something else about the dream date is that when Aerith says "a place of memories," it immediatly cuts to Zack sitting a the church



I asked a Japanese person about it and they had this to say:
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Sorry for not doing the thing you guys are doing with twitter posts, I don't really know how to do it.

the person also said Geostigma Cloud got it because he was depressed.
Or maybe its the alien cells in his brain that are responsible gee i wonder which

 

[abzy1200]

the person also said Geostigma Cloud got it because he was depressed.
Or maybe its the alien cells in his brain that are responsible gee i wonder which

This reminds me, I actually kind of have no idea what geostigma actually is.

I get that it's a Jenova thing to corrupt the lifestream but what exactly causes it?

 

[abzy1200]

Imagine if Cloud and Tifa hold hands with interlocked fingers in Part 3…

Anyway, I’m done with this. My bullshit gauge has hit critical mass.

This might actually cause a bigger meltdown than them having sex honestly, because all of their own arguments would blow up in their face.

You also can't be purposefully obtuse like so:

"Well, it was supposedly their last night alive, maybe they just didn't want to die as virgins or just wanted one last nice thing before death, it's not proof of romantic love"

 

[Ryushikaze]

the person also said Geostigma Cloud got it because he was depressed.
Or maybe its the alien cells in his brain that are responsible gee i wonder which

Depression does not cause Geostigma. Sephiroth going Aggro with microscopic jenova particles does.

This reminds me, I actually kind of have no idea what geostigma actually is.

I get that it's a Jenova thing to corrupt the lifestream but what exactly causes it?

Geostigma is specifically a condition caused by remnant Jenova cells- which were scattered about when Holy and Meteror fought - being agitated by Sephiroth's will and causing the body to start going crazy as a result. It's like an auto-immune disorder caused by trying and failing to remove the foreign matter. It's mildly complicated by deepground treating any trace of Jenova in a person as "geostigma" which is not entirely wrong but not entirely correct either.

 

[nars305]

This reminds me, I actually kind of have no idea what geostigma actually is.

I get that it's a Jenova thing to corrupt the lifestream but what exactly causes it?

I only know what Vincent explains in AC which I don’t remember off the top of my head.

 

[Ryeleigh]

Imagine if Cloud and Tifa hold hands with interlocked fingers in Part 3…

Anyway, I’m done with this. My bullshit gauge has hit critical mass.

TIFA: Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking..."

A close-up of Cloud's face. He walks up to Tifa and slowly turns her around to face him. As they lean in closer to each other, the camera lowers to a close-up of their interlocked hands. Fade to black.

Something like that?

 

[billy22]

If this Aerith is from the future, why would she give that warning to Cloud? Doesn't it imply that she knows Cloud fell in love with her at some point which is why she warning him? Unless Aerith is making an assumption?

It implies that she knows Cloud is hallucinating and not his true self, hence "it isn't real." That is way too on-the-nose phrasing for a man currently experiencing a severe identity crisis.

 

[Eerie]

OK. Guys, I'm going to say it because a lot of BS they say over there is making rounds here but.

Do you guys realise how HUGE the REMAKE trilogy actually is? I feel not.

First you have the devs discussing what they want in the script. Then Nojima handles a script and the devs change stuff as they see fit; the script is translated by a professional in-house team. Then after working it into a storyboard, they work on 2 different but necessary things: the voice acting, which involves... a lot of people, supervised by the devs, to make sure the correct tone is given, explaining the context of the scenes. This costs a lot. Cloud's VA said it before REBIRTH's release: not everything is romantic.

ANd then they do the mocap acting. Which involves a lot of PAIN. Each take costs A FORTUNE. It's once again supervised by the devs who explain the scenes to the mocaps, the context at least - look at what Yamazaki, Cloud's mocap, is saying his streams of REMAKE and REBIRTH: if he plays (RP) as Cloud, then he's always going for Tifa, because that's what Cloud does. Anyway the mocap might take place before, at the same time or after the VA, I'm not sure. Getting to the point.

From there on, a full team of developpers take on; they work on animating each scene, painfully. On adding the sidequests, working on combat, the world, some systems like the future HW and how we'll use it.

All of this cost absolutely a FORTUNE to make. This is not a joke, every take they insert is NOT an error, something that happens "by mistake", everything has been carefully thought of; this is why Nojima had a mocap retake in Tifa's resolution to add a hug. Everything you see on screen is painfully edited, to put on an intent, a story.

The Lifestream scene has been teased since REMAKE, and even more on REBIRTH. On the Way to a Smile and ACC has been teased since REMAKE. The CT relationship has been developped beyond anything they've given us, this is the real love story being amped up: I've always said here that, in my opinion, the CT love story was probably one of the best Square had developped for a FF - the Compilation of course helping it.

REBIRTH has used a lot of info from ToTP, where the only romance referred to is CT from Tifa's perspective, and even some from 2K Gils...

The Lifestream scene, which is Kitase and Nomura's favourite from the OG, isn't going away. "Oh I don't understand why CT think the LS is romantic, even Nanaki could replace Tifa there" well it's not my problem you're unable to read text (yes I read the Red XIII argument just today lmao). It's not that hard to understand. The Lifestream scene is still a love confession happening between Cloud AND Tifa (since BOTH realise their feelings for each other there), which means it can't be anything but an intimate scene (no group project, no deaths, only memories about the two of them PLUS the Nibelheim incident which let's be honest is absolutely awesome).

Nojima has in focus, for the romance of the REMAKE trilogy, two things:

• at the end, Cloud and Tifa will be together, where they belong (or something like that)
• Zack, Aerith's first love is by her side at all times

These are the canon quotes given to us about AC/C and the ending. This is what he's been pushing the whole time. This is why he's said "no more interpretation thing", even Nomura admitted to it in his interview where he said they developped the Cloud and Tifa relationship so we could understand their feelings (and look! a large majority of the fandom gets it: they love both girls but understand that the romance is about CT, no matter the ending).

https://twitter.com/chan_YAMA here is Yamazaki's tweeter if you want to check it out, but even his streams are all in JP.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

@Sacky Is the hand holding thing they're referring to koibito tsunagi? Because if so it is very true that it's an intimate and romantic gesture. However there is context involved too that needs to be taken into consideration. That is not being adressed there at all. Like how Cloud is thinking of Aerith loving Zack and she just told him she sees him in him. And yes she did say she wants to be with him now but then she says "at least until the ride is over." Implying this is for the moment. The context is not two married characters or anything.

That is the thing people see one thing and just run with it but ignore the context of the actual scene has it's own meaning that way not align with everything they want..

I don't think their friend is fake maybe the friend is a fan too and bias.

 

[imach0c0]

@Sacky Is the hand holding thing they're referring to koibito tsunagi? Because if so it is very true that it's an intimate and romantic gesture. However there is context involved too that needs to be taken into consideration. That is not being adressed there at all. Like how Cloud is thinking of Aerith loving Zack and she just told him she sees him in him. And yes she did say she wants to be with him now but then she says "at least until the ride is over." Implying this is for the moment. The context is not two married characters or anything.

That is the thing people see one thing and just run with it but ignore the context of the actual scene has it's own meaning that way not align with everything they want..

I don't think their friend is fake maybe the friend is a fan too and bias.

When Cloud holds Aerith's hand, is that Cloud just being a good friend and comforting Aerith in that moment? Or was Cloud mutually responding to Aerith's romantic feelings?

 

[Sacky]

@Sacky Is the hand holding thing they're referring to koibito tsunagi? Because if so it is very true that it's an intimate and romantic gesture. However there is context involved too that needs to be taken into consideration. That is not being adressed there at all. Like how Cloud is thinking of Aerith loving Zack and she just told him she sees him in him. And yes she did say she wants to be with him now but then she says "at least until the ride is over." Implying this is for the moment. The context is not two married characters or anything.

That is the thing people see one thing and just run with it but ignore the context of the actual scene has it's own meaning that way not align with everything they want..

I don't think their friend is fake maybe the friend is a fan too and bias.

idk i stopped speaking with them. They said i saw your advent children evidence yet still said they think Cloud wasn't happy with Tifa the first years even though theres legit 5 quotes from devs about it. So whats even the point in discussing anymore

 

[Eerie]

When Cloud holds Aerith's hand, is that Cloud just being a good friend and comforting Aerith in that moment? Or was Cloud mutually responding to Aerith's romantic feelings?

He said at the end of the date that he didn't do anything, compare with him getting shy with Tifa after their date... I think it's clear that to him it wasn't romantic. Actually this reminds me that Philip Hartshorn (the guy who cosplays Tifa with his Black gf cosplaying Barret and also a filmmaker apparently) thought that Aerith realised in her date that she still loved Zack, even though she's really also trying hard to meet the real Cloud. He really enjoyed her date but thought that while it had a romantic subtext (aka you can think about it in a romantic way), it's not exactly what happened there.

Also he got the Tifa LA date (that's what you get for not doing sidequests xD), but thought it was amazing and very romantic. So he was blown away when he saw the Tifa HA date (and then he went on to watch all the dates which he loved). So don't let anyone tell you the LA date is not romantic because damn it is.

 

[abzy1200]

@Sacky Is the hand holding thing they're referring to koibito tsunagi? Because if so it is very true that it's an intimate and romantic gesture. However there is context involved too that needs to be taken into consideration. That is not being adressed there at all. Like how Cloud is thinking of Aerith loving Zack and she just told him she sees him in him. And yes she did say she wants to be with him now but then she says "at least until the ride is over." Implying this is for the moment. The context is not two married characters or anything.

That is the thing people see one thing and just run with it but ignore the context of the actual scene has it's own meaning that way not align with everything they want..

I don't think their friend is fake maybe the friend is a fan too and bias.

What about the one at the end of the game though?

 

[nars305]

idk i stopped speaking with them. They said i saw your advent children evidence yet still said they think Cloud wasn't happy with Tifa the first years even though theres legit 5 quotes from devs about it. So whats even the point in discussing anymore

There really isn’t a point. I mean you can tell from someone’s opinion alone if it’s worth getting into a “discussion”.

 

[abzy1200]

New claim: Tifa wasn't as into Cloud in Rebirth as she was in OG.........