Lazy Turtle
Lv. 1 Adventurer
Well, I’m not here to argue with you.No one has made this claim.
Well, I’m not here to argue with you.No one has made this claim.
The creators are deliberately trying to draw this out, and it's annoying. They need to accept that you can't please everyone. Instead of fighting over Team-Tifa versus Team-Aerith, and being told that the devs are going to make things more "equal" in response, both sides should be pushing for an end to the triangle, once and for all and in a more conclusive manner.
Forgive me for going a bit OT, but it does have some relevance. I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that the Devs are Japanese. Final Fantasy 7 is a JRPG. The Japanese way of trying to make everyone happy is rooted deep into their culture. It is especially true in the later half of the 20st Century and continues to this day. I had the honor of living in Japan for over 22 years and have seen first hand how their culture is. Modern Japan does not like to make anyone feel uncomfortable and will go out of its way to make sure everyone is happy. This can be seen in their J-Drama, Anime' or any other entertainment medium that comes out of Japan.
To bring it back around, I believe that the Devs have already answered LTD question, As of now, and at the end of AC Tifa and Cloud are paired up. That doesn't mean that Cloud never loved Aerith at one time. Far from it. It just means that is how the dynamics ended up. I am sorry if it makes others unhappy but for me it seems really bad writing for a character to be hung up forever on someone who has passed on. It is not healthy. Cloud needs to move on. AC is the story of how Cloud moved on.
I don't know what it is about Cloud and Tifa. Maybe I'm a pervert who craves physical intimacy in relationships. Or, wait, isn't it that normal? For me I just like that they touch either A LOT. The scenes they have together, including hidden ones, has a lot of physical touching and closeness that makes it romantic. I can't just say they're friends, but I can't call them bf/gf either.
(Also, sorry if I'm talking a little too much, but none of my friends are gamers, and my brothers don't really like to discuss games or anything with me in general, so my lonely self only has you guys for now. )
And in my opinion, that makes for a bad story. Like I said before, Cloud comes off horribly when the writers try to cater to two different crowds. This is made even worse when you see so little jealousy expressed between the two female characters. Now they just come off either unrealistic, or uninterested in Cloud. This is why people are saying that Aerith in the Remake "ships Cloti."
Just to explain my perspective, I've noticed a common feeling among people who ship Cloud with anyone, whether it be Tifa or Aerith, is pity. I personally don't pity Cloud at all. I pity these women. Maybe it's because I'm a man, but my natural instinct is to expect more of Cloud, and to be more protective of women, fictional or otherwise. For this reason, I want this triangle to end, and I want Cloud to devote his attention to just one or none.
You mention AC, but he came off horribly in AC. It's very difficult to view Cloud as anything more than a manchild. And while he does start off that way due to spending four years in a mako tank, AC takes places years after those events. Cloud is a very difficult character to admire and look up to, even well into his character growth.
Ah, I don't really pity Cloud or admire him at all to be honest with you. However, like you mentioned you would be hard pressed not to admit that Cloud did grow as a character throughout the story. I am not like most shippers because I don't think that Cloud should end up with either women out of pity. That is just lame story-telling of the nightingale syndrome that has been told countless times. I did not see that with Cloud.
I have always been partial to the "childhood friend" troupe type of storytelling. It is just a feel good story in my opinion. I feel that the time that Tifa has spent with Cloud as childhood friends should be taken into account. It just seems like there is more of a potential relatable relationship there between Tifa and Cloud then between Aerith. Due to the amount of time that was spent growing up together.
I always felt Aerith was forced into the mix and to be honest it is not fair to Aerith at all. How can Aerith "compete" with Tifa in any meaningful way with the little amount of time that Cloud spent with Aerith. It just doesn't seem realistic. The way Aerith is presented in the Remake, I feel the Devs did her justice. They made Aerith into a more rounded out character that is relatable. Not some women that is lusting after a man. I felt that Aerith was more duty driven in the Remake.
However, the way the Devs told the story thus far and the Dev interviews thereafter, you can easily come to the conclusion that they want to give both women equal screen time with Cloud. We know that things will be different in the later half of the game ,if it continues the OG storyline, but up until that point I believe the Devs want to cut things down the middle.
I know that you want to have it Tifa or Aerith and just be cut and dry about it but, don't you think that would be a little boring? Even if it is more genuine to the story that is being told? Life isn't always white or black. There is a lot of gray areas in between. It is within those gray areas where a great story can be told.
Edited to correct sentence structure on a few items.
It’s so serious business in here... I don’t know billy22 but how I read his post was more of a joke when using that example to suggest Aerith is against polygamy. The larger point is that the burden of proof lies with those who suggest Aerith would participate in polygamy. You can’t prove a negative - that’s a fallacy. The burden of proof lies with the one who makes a claim that Aerith is polygamous.
I mean Cloud thinks he’s going to die (plus his adopted son as well) from a terminal illness in AC/C, in addition to suffering from his survivor’s guilt. Regardless of what one thinks of the writing quality of AC/C, I think it’s kinda of dismissive to disregard Cloud and his issues, as just being a “man-child” in it.
I don’t know, individual responses to stuff like that isn’t always rational. Terminal illness and depression rarely are. But there are plenty of people who end up isolating themselves when they suffering mentally, it’s a very common symptom.So if you were diagnosed with a terminal illness, you'd isolate yourself from those who care about you? That's not how I would spend my last days.
I wonder if Tifa will ever get a bridal carry scene like Aerith and Jessie got. Maybe she's too tough for that, but it would be cute.
When I first saw AC and I read the novels I was no older than 15/16, I think, and I was… very harsh on Cloud too. I didn’t understand why he’d act like that, and especially why he wouldn’t even try to explain to Tifa what was going on. Then again, I thought that I could rationalize my way through anything and that pretty much everyone had their life figured out at the age of 20.
Oh boy was I wrong I'm not proud of it, but I also sometimes hurt my SO by withdrawing into myself in the past – not because I wanted to, it was just a thing that I did when I was in pain, because sometimes for certain people communication is hard, and relationships are even harder. And I didn’t even have the sheer amount of trauma and PTSD and guilt that Cloud had to live with.
AC is no stellar writing and it doesn’t convey its point very well, not to mention the fact that it's too reliant on the novels (Case of Tifa in particular) to fully make sense, but it’s the Compilation title that has grown on me the most. Cloud is not meant to be the protagonist that we look up at. He's the protagonist that keeps screwing up and almost, almost gives up, but eventually finds the strength to do the right thing and save the day despite himself. I admire that more than someone who just always does what's right because it comes easy to them.
Offtopic but I assume you have experience with PTSD, depression and survivor's guilt then? If so, then good on you for being strong to handle that.Wasn't talking about saving the day. Like I said, Cloud keeps running away from every problem he can't slice through.
Nobody is asking for a character that doesn't make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes, but many people also learn from them.
Wasn't talking about saving the day. Like I said, Cloud keeps running away from every problem he can't slice through.
Nobody is asking for a character that doesn't make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes, but many people also learn from them.
yessssssTifa will bridal carry Cloud. Just you wait.
Biggs is a lovely person. They did a great job with his character.
I like to think Barret means something to Cloud too. Whatever Barret's faults, you can't spend long with him without admiring and respecting him, even if he's totally exasperating sometimes too.