SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

pxl_pushr

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I couldn't agree more. That's why all those "Aerith Route" scenes seem so strange to people who don't have Clerith's glasses. Because most of their dates don't work at all. She's trying very hard to learn more about him. But she has a lot of gaps. She lacks knowledge about the real Cloud. And she lacks life experience. She knows nothing about romance. All she knows is what she went through with Zack. That's all she knows. The poor girl doesn't even remember her father.

Most revealing is her quest on the beach. She's trying to "impose" a lesson on Cloud about how to react on a date, and the guy isn't feeling it at all. He just wants to finish his task.

So, yes. I think you've got it all figured out. She can't find him. Nobody can find him. Until...
Moreover, she ends up going too far on that date and says something hurtful to him. Whether it truly hurt his feelings is up for debate, but even he thinks what she said was out of line.

If there’s anything I can appreciate from Aerith’s quests, it’s what they reveal squarely about her. No, she isn’t this ultra-wise can-do-anything magical girl who can solve all problems with her Cetra magic ( whatever that means ). She’s a normal girl with a big destiny whose circumstances robbed her of a normal life. So yeah, she’s on the island of broken toys like the rest of the cast.

Now if only “Omni-Aerith” could remember that too lol
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I thought for simplicity's sake they were just changing the character models and twisting the animations.
I thought so at first too, but turned out that nope lol. The hug though is a character swap.

But oh well. I still don't think it means much. Because Aerith get a special bow too.
Yeah but Tifa's earring matches the staff. Not sure what is supposed to be Aerith's bow? Is it a butterfly?

But it's still cool that they respected one of Tifa's distinctive features (like the fact that you can see her ear piercing hole in a swimsuit).
Aerith red dress also had earrings AND this is VR, so she could have had the earrings (same with Yuffie). I mean those little differences in outfits (Tifa is the only one for whom the dress falls just right too) are perplexing at best. But I still think it's her GS outfit.
 

Yoru

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Moreover, she ends up going too far on that date and says something hurtful to him. Whether it truly hurt his feelings is up for debate, but even he thinks what she said was out of line.

If there’s anything I can appreciate from Aerith’s quests, it’s what they reveal squarely about her. No, she isn’t this ultra-wise can-do-anything magical girl who can solve all problems with her Cetra magic ( whatever that means ). She’s a normal girl with a big destiny whose circumstances robbed her of a normal life. So yeah, she’s on the island of broken toys like the rest of the cast.

Now if only “Omni-Aerith” could remember that too lol

In Japanese, it's even "sadder" than that.

It shows us that although she took it as a date and wants him to say "that was fun, let's do it again", from his point of view, it was never a date to begin with and he just wants it to end. She's even asking him to lie about it. And that's when he's saying "stop it."
 

Yoru

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I thought so at first too, but turned out that nope lol. The hug though is a character swap.


Yeah but Tifa's earring matches the staff. Not sure what is supposed to be Aerith's bow? Is it a butterfly?


Aerith red dress also had earrings AND this is VR, so she could have had the earrings (same with Yuffie). I mean those little differences in outfits (Tifa is the only one for whom the dress falls just right too) are perplexing at best. But I still think it's her GS outfit.

You know, I think it's simpler than that.

Tifa is just... built differently. So she has to be the basic model for the common outfits. Because she's the only one of the girls with totally different attributes to take into account...

It's simpler to start with the character who has particularities and then modify the dress accordingly for the others. I think.

And once again. It's just for fun between fans. It means nothing in the grand scheme of FF7. (I prefer to clarify before we're accused of forcing Cloti everywhere.)
 

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Another argument in favour of Rosa's dress really is Tifa's:


Only Tifa has the wing earring. IIRC white feather is one of her symbol, as she has one on her bracelet (a symbol she shares with Angeal, although for different reasons obviously). Again I'm only talking about the dress.
Could also be there just couse Tifa is known to wear earrings in general, so it's thrown there for that consistency perhaps.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
You know, I think it's simpler than that.

Tifa is just... built differently. So she has to be the basic model for the common outfits. Because she's the only one of the girls with totally different attributes to take into account...

It's simpler to start with the character who has particularities and then modify the dress accordingly for the others. I think.

And once again. It's just for fun between fans. It means nothing in the grand scheme of FF7. (I prefer to clarify before we're accused of forcing Cloti everywhere.)
This would mean no new outfit for Tifa though. Both Aerith and Yuffie get one in GS. Why wouldn't Tifa? (she already shares it, but again honestly I don't think it suits Aerith or Yuffie well).
 

Eerie

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It's not really the thing I would die on but if it's not Tifa's dress then I'm side eyeing the devs for not giving her a proper dress in the GS. She'd be the only one to not get an outfit out of the GS (I'm including Barret, Nanaki, and Cloud there! and hell even Cait!), which would be very weird.
 

pxl_pushr

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It's not really the thing I would die on but if it's not Tifa's dress then I'm side eyeing the devs for not giving her a proper dress in the GS. She'd be the only one to not get an outfit out of the GS (I'm including Barret, Nanaki, and Cloud there! and hell even Cait!), which would be very weird.
SE hears your concerns… Part 3 features 10 new outfits for Tifa

No seriously, I expect to be buried in outfits for part 3.
 

Stiggie

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Here comes 20 more years of "Tifa is just a fanservice character"

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So I don't really know if I want it or not...
It wont matter after TLS and highwind scene. Tifa will explode in popularity, every single normie will stop assuming its "players choice" and will accept that "oh, so its Tifa", and the combined might of popularity and canon will finally allow me to sleep by drowning out the "no he loves Aerith!" Cleriths who will finally be recognized as just being weirdoes who refuse to accept reality.
Hell, I may even be able to enjoy Aerith x Cloud as a hypothetical once that happens.
 

Yoru

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It wont matter after TLS and highwind scene. Tifa will explode in popularity, every single normie will stop assuming its "players choice" and will accept that "oh, so its Tifa", and the combined might of popularity and canon will finally allow me to sleep by drowning out the "no he loves Aerith!" Cleriths who will finally be recognized as just being weirdoes who refuse to accept reality.
Hell, I may even be able to enjoy Aerith x Cloud as a hypothetical once that happens.

I think you know too well how it will be : "Re:trilogy is not canon, FF7 is"

Of course it won't matter for us and the average player. But you'll still hear that little buzz in your ear.

"FF7 is the true vision. REmake is the vision tarnished by the pressures of the antis. Nojima had to do it against his will in order not to die."
 

Gym Leader Devil

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Alright, fine. "And just like the religious kind, she's also made up."

Less crass than I expected, but I'll take it :monster:

Everything but the words "common sense" perhaps.

Yeah, just hallucinate those words thanks to war flashbacks.

Okay Yakov.

Accept nothing less.

Those would be booster rockets if they were to continue in the direction of travel. Retro rockets are so called because they fire in opposition to motion- in retrograde.

My mental image of this launch actually did utilize both retro rockets and boosters to orient the drill facing down and launch. I foolishly forgot no one can see my mental images but me :doh: Also considering it more carefully it doesnt make a lotta sense anyway :awesome:

Some even took opposition as evidence they were correct all along because if the evil Clotis said it was wrong it had to be right.

Ah yes, but if a Cloti agrees with them it became "even the evil Cloti can see it" instead.

Immune to the horrors of the warp, probably just fucking roll with whatever shit a chaos god might throw at him, I don't know if he'd make a dent, but I think he'd live. Now, Speedrun link? He carves a fucking swath.

I give it a month plus warp time before da Boyz gotta have a scrap over Link being an avatar of Gork or Mork. My money be on Gork.


Yup.

Quiet means not screaming until just before you hit someone to Vegeta.

To be fair his main methods of finishing opponents are bright, loud explosions and beans that tend to cause massive dust and smoke plumes. Stealth is hard.

I still have friends who boggle to consider the idea that I was born. From parents.

It's a perfectly viable method of springing forth from nothingness.

There's usually a common mutation vector for lies and exaggerations, especially ones you know the source for an impetus behind. We know the impetus (Dismissing the C/T Kiss by any means necessary) but not the source for the claim that hand holding is a bigger deal than kissing.

Exactly. With both source and common vectors, predictions of when and what the next mutation will be get mighty solid until someone pulls new garbage straight outta their ass.

When your domicile is technically alive it complicates things.

I miss Moya.

I think even pink hell sort of tried to gray rock him after a time.

See, even they had some sense. If only they were more willing to use it, pink hell might've been more pink purgatory instead.

Like with Merch, other game appearances, the fucking Artnia cafe menu, none of it says what they wish it to.

It's silly. It'd be like using fanmade SFMs to argue TF2 canon, while ignoring official stuff.

Both good options.

But are they two great tastes that go great together?

Also, they're constantly looking for an excuse to make you die like the rest because it feels good to them. People just want a fucking excuse to be outraged.

I hate how correct this is, but there's no refuting it. The tribe needs an enemy. Someone to fight and persecute. Without that, the tribe breaks up into smaller tribes to eat each other.

Like a few months back a youtuber got caught out plagiarizing basically his entire body of work from other sources, and he went to ground and pretended to commit suicide. People got mad at the account that made a video cataloging his plagiarism with sources for being so bas as to "drive him to suicide" despite, you know, the man being a complete fraud including faking his suicide.

That's about what I'd expect, yeah. And it's awful.

Hence why I'm pretty sure most of them are wounded and incapped rather than killed.

I mean, comparing how hard Tifa hits foes like the Red Dragon, it's pretty obvious she must be pulling her punches on humans most of the time.
 

Stiggie

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I think you know too well how it will be : "Re:trilogy is not canon, FF7 is"

Of course it won't matter for us and the average player. But you'll still hear that little buzz in your ear.

"FF7 is the true vision. REmake is the vision tarnished by the pressures of the antis. Nojima had to do it against his will in order not to die."
Oh yeah, and I'll be laughing going "see, this is who they've always been, it's never been about evidence or reason, they were always crazy, and now it's there for everyone to see". Like I said, the crazies will always remain, that doesn't bother me, what bothers me is that for a large part the less informed community actually thinks their position is valid, even if they themselves don't agree.

Reminds me of a video that talked about how Aerith and Cloud were a great romance but the video itself said something like "now I know Cloud and Tifa are canon". But apparently that got them so much flack that they had a pinned comment about how the comments made her accept that Cloud and Tifa aren't canon.

Now I don't care that there will always be idiots screaming in comments, I care that they're loud enough that the normal people take them seriously. THATS where I want their relevancy to drop below.
 
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GamerSkull

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Oh yeah, and I'll be laughing going "see, this is who they've always been, it's never been about evidence or reason, they were always crazy, and now it's there for everyone to see". Like I said, the crazies will always remain, that doesn't bother me, what bothers me is that for a large part the less informed community actually thinks their position is valid, even if they themselves don't agree.

Reminds me of a video that talked about how Aerith and Cloud were a great couple, but the video itself said something like "now I know Cloud and Tifa are canon". But apparently that got them so much flack that they had a pinned comment about how the comments made her aceept that Cloud and Tifa aren't canon.

Now I don't care that there will always be idiots screaming in comments, I care that they're loud enough that the normal people take them seriously. THATS where I want their relevancy to drop below.
Yeah, at least some of the gaslighting will be less effective.
 

abzy1200

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So, what is the general consenus on Cloud and Tifa here? Are they star-crossed lovers, soulmates? Neither?

Sorry if this is a stupid question after all the time I've spent on this thread, yknow?
 

Yoru

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So, what is the general consenus on Cloud and Tifa here? Are they star-crossed lovers, soulmates? Neither?

Sorry if this is a stupid question after all the time I've spent on this thread, yknow?

My opinion: I think they're soulmates. Their lifelong bond and their little trip to the LS, which is literally a representation of the fact that the two can only be complete with each other present in their lives, pretty easily represents the definition of soulmate.

Their bond is far too strong and "magical" for them to be star-crossed lovers. Fate, the planet itself, seems to force their reunion throughout the adventure. Whatever the trials, they'll end up together.
 

Maidenofwar

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You see I used to think CA were soulmates, OG with Cloud sensing in his soul her presence in the Forgotten Capital, and his mind being open to Aerith in the Sleeping Forest, but now I don't know if Aerith can use Cetra power to visit everyone's dreams, so now I'm going more doomed romance/angst angle.

Edit: Though thinking about it remembering Cloud's c8 dream in Gold Saucer, etc, maybe he still has some kind of spiritual connection to Aerith, and Zack as well.
 
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Nancy

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So I show Tifa & Aerith's GS date to two of my colleagues who knows nothing about FFVII, maybe except one but she still doesn't understand the full thing but she gets a grasps on what's happening lol because she went to watch AC/C with me in the theater & this is what they said (their words, not mine):

One of my colleague, said he (Cloud) likes both of them but she's confused because it seems like Cloud is trying to date Tifa but then he hold hands with Aerith

My other colleague, who went to watch AC/C with me, said Cloud seem to show more emotion in Aerith's GS date but I love her expression when Aerith & Cloud pull away from each other with her eyebrows raising & then saying 'awkward' 😆

As for Tifa's date, she said he didn't show that much emotion & that Tifa & Cloud were so awkward with each other after the kiss but after I told her it was their first kiss she understood why they were acting the way they were after the kiss
 

Eerie

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You see I used to think CA were soulmates, OG with Cloud sensing in his soul her presence in the Forgotten Capital, and his mind being open to Aerith in the Sleeping Forest, but now I don't know if Aerith can use Cetra power to visit everyone's dreams, so now I'm going more doomed romance/angst angle.
For CA I never saw them as soulmates because it all seemed to come from Aerith using her powers on Cloud. It's still the case in Remake/Rebirth, so while I see them having a deep bond, I don't see it as soulmates. Aerith also cannot reach true Cloud, she still dies without knowing him and soulmates imply to me a certain understanding and knowledge of the other Aerith has always lacked.

Cloud and Tifa on the other hand... he lets her in his mind, he hears her crying for help in the Lifestream amongst other cries, and now we have Tifa who has the same set of memories than he does set in the Lifestream... they seem anchored in each other's souls in life, death and beyond. They will always find each other, they have the reunion theme and they are able to reach each other in ways that scream soulmates generally speaking.
 
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