SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Sacky

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Something Kitase said was he/they were aware of players not continuing the game after losing Aerith, so I wonder if they are going to do anything with that.

I also thought it was interesting when asked what their favourite Cloud and Aerith scenes were both Kitase and Hamaguchi said the sky and roof scenes.

"My best friend Zack, and my precious Aerith ..." should surprise nobody except real antis/trolls that think Cloud really hates/loathes Aerith and really can't stand to be around her hardly.
They kinda have written themselves into a wall with this. They have teased Aerith having some form of playtime in part 3 doing something. But they also need her to not be in it too much or impact of loss is gone, but also other characters lose development if she gets more Who desperately need it like Vincent and Cid. So i would guess they have a Aerith Zack interlude but for 1 chapter or something?
 

Eerie

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Something Kitase said was he/they were aware of players not continuing the game after losing Aerith, so I wonder if they are going to do anything with that.
We're definitely going to see Aerith, just like Zack in Rebirth. We need to see her reunion with him, which should make a lot of Aerith fans happy, and we need to see what she does to help the team on the other side too.
 

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Speaking of ZA reunion, lol, I want to see a parallel of their first meeting in Crisis Core, when Zack defeated the hedgehogs outside the church. But this time Aerith would be the one to defeat the monsters and Zack would be all, "you're amazing!" Manifesting from the universe and the devs...
 

GamerSkull

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Speaking of ZA reunion, lol, I want to see a parallel of their first meeting in Crisis Core, when Zack defeated the hedgehogs outside the church. But this time Aerith would be the one to defeat the monsters and Zack would be all, "you're amazing!" Manifesting from the universe and the devs...
I want Zack to say "So pretty" and Aerith responding with "the face?"

"Depends on the angle...."
 

pxl_pushr

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We're definitely going to see Aerith, just like Zack in Rebirth. We need to see her reunion with him, which should make a lot of Aerith fans happy, and we need to see what she does to help the team on the other side too.
You really don’t have to dedicate very much time to establish what Aerith is up to in the LS inbetween plot points. I can see it primarily being info and lore with a few combat sections to hold attention. “Following the flowers” at it were.

I can see a ZA reunion by the time Weapons are activated and then you can show how that impacts the LS from their perspective. Stuff like that.
 

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I believe Nomura mentioned in an interview (Game Informer) that he wanted to explore the denialism aspect of loss and the struggles to overcome that.
Oooh I hadn't seen that! I'm a late arrival and all I saw when I went online was stuff like "see? Aerith is gonna live in part 3 for sure", "wow I can't bekieve they're fucking up their own plot this badly" or "I can't believe squeenix can't even commit to whether or not they want to kill Aerith" and that was surprising to me bc I felt it was very obvious what they were going for thematically
The implosion is gonna be pretty big it seems.

I wonder what the cope will be when it finally comes.
"I can't believe they gave into Cloti shippers #notmyFF7 only the OG is canon!!!" they already deny Crisis Core they'll deny tgis trilogy too

Unrelated but somebody dug up an old tweet from Vincent's VA saying Tifa is his favorite, which isn't very surprising but still nice to have yet another cast member on the Tifa loving train
 

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Oooh I hadn't seen that! I'm a late arrival and all I saw when I went online was stuff like "see? Aerith is gonna live in part 3 for sure", "wow I can't bekieve they're fucking up their own plot this badly" or "I can't believe squeenix can't even commit to whether or not they want to kill Aerith" and that was surprising to me bc I felt it was very obvious what they were going for thematically

"I can't believe they gave into Cloti shippers #notmyFF7 only the OG is canon!!!" they already deny Crisis Core they'll deny tgis trilogy too

Unrelated but somebody dug up an old tweet from Vincent's VA saying Tifa is his favorite, which isn't very surprising but still nice to have yet another cast member on the Tifa loving train
I mean, have you seen Marisha Ray?

 

eleamaya

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But I haven't seen any scenes in the ReTrilogy where Aerith senses Cloud's loneliness and is the one to comfort him.
Does Cloud feel lonely? In AC, the premise of his loneliness is "the happier he is, the more lonely he is." And we know the reason why.
But Cloud's childhood is different from Aerith although from an angle, it looks similar: they dont have friends. Aerith really feels lonely because she want to have friends, she doesnt wanna be seen as a freak girl or even a special one--she wanna be a normal girl like the others. Cloud is someone whose personality is "doesnt want many friends". People with this personality exist in real life, as introvert they can be; I've met several ones and ask an extrovert like me "why do you wanna have many friend?" Cloud is the one who reject the boys because he feels superior towards them, also because he's jealous of them playing with Tifa. Yes, Cloud's inferiority just raises when he failed to be SOLDIER. But, he's like Sephiroth who feels he's special and better than the other. Cloud has a little bit arrogance in him. The journey open up Cloud that having many friends he care for isn't that bad; lowering his ego. As for Aerith, the journey blesses her with many friends care for her she never had before. So no, Cloud doesnt feel what Aerith feels of loneliness. They are opposite. But this doesn't mean he doesnt catch her being lonely few times (heck, even Aerith herself has a speech in Cosmo Canyon) and care for her.

“Two lonely people find common ground and seek comfort in each other”
Nah, this is what Aerith JP VA said in CCFF7 Reunion interview: "both Zack and Aerith are similar that behind their bright personality, lies a loneliness they both carry; something that perhaps resonates in Aerith" The moment Aerith saw Zack crying, I'm sure she is empathize with him about losing someone they love. Empathy. Though if I may interpret, what cause their loneliness despite losing the loved one is the big burden they carry and face it alone. One of CCFF7 OST is "The burdened" and it's played in the church when Zack spent time with Aerith.

"What does I fight for?" This is Zack's words that screams his loneliness. He fight alone and don't share that.
People may fail to see how lonely Zack can be because of his bright personality. But Kunsel even catch it, according to one of his email to Zack that he offered Zack to talk to him about everything that wear him down. But to Zack, only Aerith who can heal him. Nomura said Zack always goes to the church to look for healing.
 
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Shadowstorm

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Does Cloud feel lonely? In AC, the premise of his loneliness is "the happier he is, the more lonely he is." And we know the reason why.
But Cloud's childhood is different from Aerith although from an angle, it looks similar: they dont have friends. Aerith really feels lonely because she want to have friends, she doesnt wanna be seen as a freak girl or even a special one--she wanna be a normal girl like the others. Cloud is someone whose personality is "doesnt want many friends". People with this personality exist in real life, as introvert they can be; I've met several ones and ask an extrovert like me "why do you wanna have many friend?" Cloud is the one who reject the boys because he feels superior towards them, also because he's jealous of them playing with Tifa. Yes, Cloud's inferiority just raises when he failed to be SOLDIER. But, he's like Sephiroth who feels he's special and better than the other. Cloud has a little bit arrogance in him. The journey open up Cloud that having many friends he care for isn't that bad; lowering his ego. As for Aerith, the journey blesses her with many friends care for her she never had before. So no, Cloud doesnt feel what Aerith feels of loneliness. They are opposite. But this doesn't mean he doesnt catch her being lonely few times (heck, even Aerith herself has a speech in Cosmo Canyon) and care for her.


Nah, this is what Aerith JP VA said in CCFF7 Reunion interview: "both Zack and Aerith are similar that behind their bright personality, lies a loneliness they both carry; something that perhaps resonates in Aerith"
"What does I fight for?" People may fail to see how lonely Zack can be because of his bright personality. But Kunsel even catch it, according to one of his email to Zack that he offered Zack to talk to him about everything that wear him down.
He pretty much spells out in Nibelheim he didn't actually enjoy being alone though. Speaking as an introvert myself there is a big difference between not wanting a lot of friends and not wanting any at all. His isolation was largely his own doing, and he did feel superior to the other boys but that doesn't mean he didn't feel lonely. The difference between him and Aerith is that she's more self-aware of this feeling and will do something about it when she can. Cloud has a lot more personal hang-ups he has to work through but it's clear it means a lot to him when other people do make that effort to include him even if he pretends otherwise imo.

This is of course talking about FF7/FFR itself instead of AC. His situation obviously changed over the years
 

eleamaya

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His isolation was largely his own doing
And with this, how Aerith is supposed to feel empathy? She is isolated her whole life before going out of Midgar. If someone then feel regret he was now lonely because he had reject them all, how can it be similar to Aerith who feel lonely because of rejection? How can she sense his loneliness when he isn't lonely anymore in the group when they are in journey together? Though, if she sensed it, she would simpathize.
 

pxl_pushr

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Each party member has something that can relate directly to Cloud. Aerith’s is that sense of loneliness, of wanting more connections but something being in the way. In her case, it was her circumstances and part of her lineage making her different/“weird” to other kids. In Cloud’s case, it was a mixture of social awkwardness and probably not fully understanding the jealousy he felt over Tifa.

You can pretty easily go down the list and find something for each character, even more so in ReTrilogy. Yuffie and Reeve are a little tougher to do that with so far, but there’s still more to tell for them.

So I think the idea with Cloud and Aerith is that they have common ground where he seems more willing to open up with her, or at least he’s more receptive to her attempts to grow their bond.

I honestly do think the early chapters in Remake were added to reveal how Cloud, in his current state of mind, handles people: if he smells bullshit, he’ll stonewall you. If he senses you’re being genuine, then he’ll soften up because he can’t help it.
 

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And with this, how Aerith is supposed to feel empathy? She is isolated her whole life before going out of Midgar. If someone then feel regret he was now lonely because he had reject them all, how can it be similar to Aerith who feel lonely because of rejection? How can she sense his loneliness when he isn't lonely anymore in the group when they are in journey together? Though, if she sensed it, she would simpathize.
The Cloud that Aerith meets in Midgar is not yet the Cloud that has made close friends from later in the story. He's on his way there, at least in Remake, but at that point he is still a pretty lonely guy that just won't admit that to himself. And why wouldn't she feel empathy? A similar feeling that comes from a different place is still a similar feeling. Aerith may be a bit self-centered and even resentful at times but she's still gonna feel for the guy.

She just isn't gonna have a heart-to-heart about it's either, that's not how she is. Her teasing and strong-arming him into spending time with her is how she helps him. I do think she can take it too far but in the end it's clear that Cloud cares for her so I think it's safe to assume this is mostly appreciated.
 

eleamaya

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Question, can I check if Zack has ever been described as a 'taisetsuna hito'(?), or has it just been Aerith?
Zack is also Aerith's "taisetsu na hito" according to Nomura.
One Clerith was mad at me for translating the passage like this on Twitter "To Aerith, the sky symbolize sadness. The man she loves (taisetsu na hito), Zack, and her mother, Ifalna, are both taken to the sky." I dunno the heck the producer refers to that scene as his Cloud & Aerith's favorite moment when the director said her line referred to Zack, Ifalna, Shinra's plate, and Jenova.
I think, to translate it "romantic or not" always depends on context. It can be endless debate since EN is low context and JP is high context.
 
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Ryushikaze

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You can pretty easily go down the list and find something for each character, even more so in ReTrilogy. Yuffie and Reeve are a little tougher to do that with so far, but there’s still more to tell for them.
Yuffie "It's my fault that I failed and my friend died, also vehicles equal HURK"
Reeve- "I also put on a persona to face the world."
 

Maidenofwar

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Actually Cloud and Aerith relate more on childhood than Aerith and Zack iirc from the Rebirth quests/lore Zack was a popular/admired guy.

There's a follow up in Rebirth where the party is having a joke at Vincent/Cloud's expense (they're not being deliberately mean/cruel), and Aerith, and Cloud, seem less amused. Something they can relate to a bit with Vincent as well maybe.

Remake/Rebirth expands more on the sky from previous, I'm sure they probably just meant something cryptic like "sky" shenanigans and the rifts that linked to other CA event, hell for all I know maybe even Zack, and Jenova were part of the answer too. Things can mean more than one thing after all.

Cloud and Aerith having a different sort of loneliness as kids and finding some kind of sympathy towards each other there doesn't really take away from Zack and Aerith bonding over Zack losing someone 💜
 
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Nancy

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it always makes me scratch my head when I see some extremists say CA will kiss in p3. Like, no they aren't going to. The game isn't going in that direction.
I feel like IF the devs do give them a kiss, it will be Aerith kissing Cloud maybe on the cheek goodbye
 

GamerSkull

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Honestly, I am curious what the CA think endgame is going to be, exactly, especially given Hamaguchi confirmed Aerith is dead and is not planned to return.
Cloud and Aerith will be together, either by revival or afterlife lifestream.

Tifa will move on and just be Cloud's friend. Zack can just be a cuckold.

That's their preferred ending. They will also accept the story not making sense as long as CA is canon.

In fact, if the entire game was pro-Cloti and then Cloud kisses Aerith out of nowhere in the last ten seconds, I guarantee they'd be happy even if it makes no sense. This doesn't apply to all of them, of course, but in my experience to a lot of them narrative cohesion is less important than the ship sailing.
 

Maidenofwar

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Well they (the devs) also said that people would have to play part 3 to find out what happened to Aerith.

Doesn't seem fair the mind games but eh.
 
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Cloud and Aerith will be together, either by revival or afterlife lifestream.

Tifa will move on and just be Cloud's friend. Zack can just be a cuckold.

That's their preferred ending. They will also accept the story not making sense as long as CA is canon.

In fact, if the entire game was pro-Cloti and then Cloud kisses Aerith out of nowhere in the last ten seconds, I guarantee they'd be happy even if it makes no sense. This doesn't apply to all of them, of course, but in my experience to a lot of them narrative cohesion is less important than the ship sailing.

I mean, there were people who thought Cloud was going to find the nearest tall cliff before AC came out and those who thought he'd be having sex with a ghost after it did, so yeah, would not be surprised at all.

Well they (the devs) also said that people would have to play part 3 to find out what happened to Aerith.

Doesn't seem fair the mind games but eh.
I mean, we need to figure out the method of time travel she's using to communicate backwards through time, but it seems fairly straightforward in broad strokes what her and Zack's narrative role are confined to in part 3.
 

Eerie

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I mean, we need to figure out the method of time travel she's using to communicate backwards through time
I think it's the Lifestream right? The Lifestream is past present and future at once; those mini-worlds are right outside it but must also present the same features. The Aerith using this world is simply an Aerith who has already lived through CoLW I think, because it's really the Aerith she reminds me of (the way Sephiroth talked to her, the way she wanted to talk to Cloud but didn't know how to present herself to him, etc.).

Then, she dies, but she dies right before 'our' Aerith dies and is able to "take over", with her memories too since they're in the Lifestream. Aerith will soon know everything about that Aerith who died. That's why Sephiroth realised he was outsmarted, because even though he's killed Aerith in the world, by killing Aerith, she came back.

That's also why there's the disconnect between Aerith in CoLW (more Cloud-centric) and ACC (visibly happy with Zack). I think Nojima wrote it that way so he could connect everything.
 

Ryushikaze

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I think it's the Lifestream right? The Lifestream is past present and future at once; those mini-worlds are right outside it but must also present the same features. The Aerith using this world is simply an Aerith who has already lived through CoLW I think, because it's really the Aerith she reminds me of (the way Sephiroth talked to her, the way she wanted to talk to Cloud but didn't know how to present herself to him, etc.).

Then, she dies, but she dies right before 'our' Aerith dies and is able to "take over", with her memories too since they're in the Lifestream. Aerith will soon know everything about that Aerith who died. That's why Sephiroth realised he was outsmarted, because even though he's killed Aerith in the world, by killing Aerith, she came back.

That's also why there's the disconnect between Aerith in CoLW (more Cloud-centric) and ACC (visibly happy with Zack). I think Nojima wrote it that way so he could connect everything.
Sorry, I should have been clearer- we need to learn about how she learns to to send information back.

The idea that it's an Aerith from just before Advent Children is an interesting one. It sort of makes Remake project an interquel for Aerith specifically but just a retelling for everyone else (Save Sephiroth). Curious where in the personal timeline she re-encounters Zack, then, since it seems Pt 3 is gearing up to have them reunite, but will it be standard Aerith or future Aerith?
 
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