SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[eleamaya]

It's already established that "date" for Aerith doesn't really means anything. In remake she calls going shopping with Tifa a date, also in Rebirth when she's with Tifa in Costa del Sol. After their talks about first love and what happens in Gongaga, their no way Tifa to think that Aerith as a thing for Cloud (even Aerith doesn't know)

Yeah, after Kalm escape where Aerith playfully said "it's a date, kind of" I dont see Tifa being jealous. She even waves hand at Aerith who sits on Nibelheim's water tower with Cloud.

Even in Zack & Aerith's dynamic, what Aerith calls a date doesn't match up with what Zack calls a date. Every meeting with Zack is probably a date for Aerith as she just simply enjoy to spend time with him.

 

[Empyrea]

So the "dates" with Tifa are romantic?

Man, the AerTi shipper in me wishes they were.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Good for you. But saying that Tifa shot her shot while knowing Aerith had feelings for Cloud is completely disingenuous.

Right back at you

 

[GamerSkull]

You know none of this is facts at all, and the narrative does in fact make sense if you get Aerith as Rosa. It doesn't feel "wrong" if you do, the rest of the game feels natural.

More so if you don't get Tifa in Chapter 8 also.

For the record you're not being neutral if you try to undermine the nice moments Cloud and Aerith have, like language of flowers quest throwback, Wall Market memories, Cloud holding his hand open to take in Sector 5, or tightening his grasp in Kalm, and others either. Not every physical or skinship moment they have is a Zack insert.

It makes sense with all three of them, I don’t think there is a “right” or “wrong” choice.

I think the actual question people are asking is whether Aerith and Cloud’s feelings for each other ever progress past the initial interest phase, whereas you can see evidence that Cloud and Tifa are much more.

Edit: wrote Aerith and not Cloud, what a major goof lmao

 

[eleamaya]

I dont remember if I had shared my thought about "No Promises to Keep" here.
The lyrics is very her.
It reminds me of her "hide and seek" flashback in Remake. She's lonely and wanna be found.
Cloud & Tifa found her. Idk the JP line but Tifa said "we found you" and offer her hand for Aerith to stand.
Her loneliness is described in the metaphor of city street, we see her sad expression in Remake opening.
But at the end, she's parted with those who has eased her loneliness, back to the city street and hope they find her again.
It's like her life cycling. And she's suffering from that. Her mom died, her first love died; and she's parted with Cloud and the others because she dies.

 

[Eerie]

whereas you can see evidence that Aerith and Tifa are much more.

Such an AerTi comment :p

 

[Maidenofwar]

Here's the full content of what I said by the way with the bit at the end.

"Strongly disagree with all of this.

If it's "bad" for Aerith to shoot her shot knowing Tifa likes Cloud it's equally as "bad" for Tifa to shoot her shot knowing Aerith likes Cloud or thinks she does, doubt the intentions was for either of them to be seen as bad though. I don't see it as that extreme for them."

We don't know for a fact Tifa told Aerith she fancied Cloud and wanted her to keep her distance.

 

[Yoru]

We don't know for a fact Tifa told Aerith she fancied Cloud and wanted her to keep her distance.

They were going to talk about their "first love" after the Shinra 8 cruise. We know from Yuffie GS date that Tifa told her she had a crush on Cloud. So 1+1 = 2. Aerith knows.

 

[hytekz]

We don't know for a fact Tifa told Aerith she fancied Cloud and wanted her to keep her distance.

We know that Aerith and Tifa wanted to have a talk about first love after Cloud interrupt their conversation in the ship. In Gongaga we know that Tifa knows about Zack and Aerith relationship. It's pretty easy to conclude that from that point Aerith knows about Tifa feelings for Cloud.

 

[c.lupara]

Here's the full content of what I said by the way with the bit at the end.

"Strongly disagree with all of this.

If it's "bad" for Aerith to shoot her shot knowing Tifa likes Cloud it's equally as "bad" for Tifa to shoot her shot knowing Aerith likes Cloud or thinks she does, doubt the intentions was for either of them to be seen as bad though. I don't see it as that extreme for them."

We don't know for a fact Tifa told Aerith she fancied Cloud and wanted her to keep her distance.

Oh come on... it's okay to say that it isn't clearly said that Tifa has feelings for Cloud but it's been since Remake that in some circumstances she at least shows herself annoyed by CA's closeness. We can say it's implicit and if it is implicit for us it is implicit for them who are an active part of the story; plus I'll tell you how I interpreted it: Aerith clearly does it on purpose to try to tease Tifa.

And to be honest, mine is always a non-shipper's opinion.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Yeah, when did they do it, because I didn't see it.

Anyway I'm done, if you want to think the worst of Aerith and not of Tifa, that's your perogative. I'm dropping it.

All of yours is as much as an assumption to assume they talked and giggled about and over Cloud in general.

 

[hytekz]

Yeah, when did they do it, because I didn't see it.

Anyway I'm done, if you want to think the worst of Aerith and not of Tifa, that's your perogative. I'm dropping it.

Why would Aerith talk about Zack but Tifa wouldn't talk about Cloud?
But that's the thing I never said anything about Aerith? Why would I by the way? Aerith never tries anything romantically towards Cloud because even herself can't sort out her feelings.

 

[Sacky]

Look point is that we don't know what they talked about and we probably will never know. The only way we can know what Aeriths feelings are
is if Part 3 decides to tell us more about it whether thats a talk between Zack and Aerith or Cloud and Aerith again, we don't know yet. Maybe Aerith started liking Cloud because she saw Zack in him but then grew to like him for him hence the date. She still has trouble though because of her conflicted feelings. Truth is if we do get an answer its going to be complicated.

 

[Yoru]

Are we really playing the "If I didn't see it, it doesn't exists" ? Really ?

Like I said. She has the right to be selfish at the end of it all. She's going to die. She wants to be at peace with her feelings.
But Aerith knows Tifa's feelings. Tifa knows for Zack. They talked about their first love. And we know that Tifa only loves Cloud. It's not too far stretch to link it all.

 

[CldS7]

Look point is that we don't know what they talked about and we probably will never know. The only way we can know what Aeriths feelings are
is if Part 3 decides to tell us more about it whether thats a talk between Zack and Aerith or Cloud and Aerith again, we don't know yet. Maybe Aerith started liking Cloud because she saw Zack in him but then grew to like him for him hence the date. She still has trouble though because of her conflicted feelings. Truth is if we do get an answer its going to be complicated.

I wonder if Zack and Aerith will talk about it cause Zack jokingly tells Cloud hes been naughty lol

 

[Sacky]

Are we really playing the "If I didn't see it, it doesn't exists" ? Really ?

Like I said. She has the right to be selfish at the end of it all. She's going to die. She wants to be at peace with her feelings.
But Aerith knows Tifa's feelings. Tifa knows for Zack. They talked about their first love. And we know that Tifa only loves Cloud. It's not too far stretch to link it all.

Well apart from the dream date which i think is a future lifestream Aerith who just wants closure on a what could have been? which we still don't exactly get closure on xd. "at least i know now where we stand" what other parts in the main story did Aerith actually try to be with Cloud? Dream date she knows she dies and wants to recreate one of her happiest moments (crisis core) and tells Cloud to play along she just wants the experience of having an actual proper date with Cloud in which she ends up saying she likes cloud but doesnt know if that love or just a very strong like

 

[Sacky]

I wonder if Zack and Aerith will talk about it cause Zack jokingly tells Cloud hes been naughty lol

if theres a reunion they will and i will assume Aerith says she likes both of them or maybe she references the dream date saying she isn't sure what like i think Marlene just says she really likes Cloud though that might just be english translation

 

[Maidenofwar]

Oh come on... it's okay to say that it isn't clearly said that Tifa has feelings for Cloud but it's been since Remake that in some circumstances she at least shows herself annoyed by CA's closeness. We can say it's implicit and if it is implicit for us it is implicit for them who are an active part of the story; plus I'll tell you how I interpreted it: Aerith clearly does it on purpose to try to tease Tifa.

And to be honest, mine is always a non-shipper's opinion.

I mean ... that doesn't disprove that Tifa knows Aerith likes Cloud or at least thinks she does? Even from the OG that has been the case. All I said is I doubt they meant for them to be seen as bad or extreme lol.

 

[GamerSkull]

I want to mention that songs can have multiple interpretations and meanings (much like Loveless) and so it’s kinda weird that we’re all trying to agree on ONE interpretation.

 

[Yoru]

Well apart from the dream date which i think is a future lifestream Aerith who just wants closure on a what could have been? which we still don't exactly get closure on xd. "at least i know now where we stand" what other parts in the main story did Aerith actually try to be with Cloud? Dream date she knows she dies and wants to recreate one of her happiest moments (crisis core) and tells Cloud to play along she just wants the experience of having an actual proper date with Cloud in which she ends up saying she likes cloud but doesnt know if that love or just a very strong like

That's why I'm saying from the start I didn't like it. Date is awkward, Aerith feels off (TO ME) and in the end her "like like" thing is super vague at best.

Marlene just says she really likes Cloud though that might just be english translation

Her next sentence is : "Cause you weren't there !" So to me it's just solidifed that if Zack is in the equation, Aerith loves him more ?

 

[hytekz]

I want to mention that songs can have multiple interpretations and meanings (much like Loveless) and so it’s kinda weird that we’re all trying to agree on ONE interpretation.

Especially seeing the huge difference between the English and japanese lyrics (cobblestone street being never mentioned in the japanese lyrics)

 

[c.lupara]

I mean ... that doesn't disprove that Tifa knows Aerith likes Cloud or at least thinks she does? Even from the OG that has been the case. All I said is I doubt they meant for them to be seen as bad or extreme lol.

And we agree on this. But for this reason we can't say that Aerith doesn't know about Tifa and vice versa... that's what I mean.

 

[Sacky]

probably who knows though until part 3 if Aerith even has lifestream sections i would be shocked if she didn't but who knows.
There will be a talk between Zack and Aerith in Lifestream, though

That's why I'm saying from the start I didn't like it. Date is awkward, Aerith feels off (TO ME) and in the end her "like like" thing is super vague at best.

Her next sentence is : "Cause you weren't there !" So to me it's just solidifed that if Zack is in the equation, Aerith loves him more ?

 

[Eerie]

I won't lie, when you fight over the song, I feel like you guys fight against air.

 

[Sacky]

I won't lie, when you fight on the song, I feel like you guys fight against air.

yeah the song really wont matter in the end its just about Aeriths feelings that involve Cloud and is a love song
thats all we know about it and it was added as a late decision into the game anyway