SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Yoru]

クラウドの気持ち　聞けてよかった - I'm glad I know Cloud's feelings

Cloud's feelings being him saying : Let's make more memories, it was fun. (We are friends/Why not? according to your affection status)

So people are free to understand it as Cloud confessing his eternal love to Aerith. But as far as I'm concerned, it's a lot of mental gymnastics trying to shoehorn in any kind of romance.

 

[billy22]

The devs have stated time after time that there is no canon romance.

Not a single quote you posted says this. Most of these were debunked years ago. I'll just pull your first one as a quick example:

"Depending on the player, it’s natural for them to say, “I like Tifa. No, I prefer Aeris,” so I wanted to shape things in reflection of that, or in other words, create a system that reacts to the players’ feelings. For example, if the game had a completely straightforward path, I might feel stuck with Tifa because of story-related reasons, even though Aeris is the one I like, it gets to feel something like that, so I wanted to get rid of that approach. It’s not that there are branching paths, but I absolutely wanted to incorporate a mechanic that reflects the player’s feelings."

Notice how "romance" is not mentioned once. This quote says you can "shape things in reflection of [who you prefer]." Which you can. If I want to 'date' Barret I can. I can't romance him though. The quote also says "It's not that there are branching paths." Because you're stuck on the predetermined narrative, regardless of who you choose to hang out with.

Mind you, I don't remember Square coming out and telling me Zidane/Garnet were canon either. Unless you're counting ultimanias.

 

[Rin]

I don't know if this changes the context or meaning of the suki (like) but in JP, Aerith says: (note: the ENG is a rough translation)

クラウドの気持ち　聞けてよかった - I'm glad I know Cloud's feelings
わたしは　クラウドが好き - I like you Cloud
でも　好きにも　色々あるよね - But there many kinds of like
この好きは　どの好きなんだろう - This like, I wonder what kind it is for me

Thank you!

From the rough translation, I would say that platonic like can definitely be included here as she's talking about the many different forms of liking someone a person can feel and isn't sure where her feelings land on the spectrum.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

No, I get that but I'm more so wondering if she's wondering if her feelings are romantic or platonic, even in JP as suki can be used platonically as well. Like "Daisuki" is more romantically coded than "Suki desu" for example because you can say the latter to your friend but you'd never say the former to them unless you were straight up confessing romantic feelings.

I only ask because in English it's like, "There's a difference between liking and liking" and there's only one way to take that aka liking platonically and liking romantically.

I didn't take the English line that way. Because that line is a comparison to Traces of Two Pasts. "The special kind of suki that ties up your heart" is love. First love. So I took it as the difference between a crush and something deeper.

Yeah she is definitely wondering in general the nature of her feelings. I'm just saying I don't think the answer is she feels platonically sorry that wasn't clear.

And I mean it's not impossible. It can be included. But the way Aerith acts on the date implies she is interested. Also as I have said it would really contradict with her other versions if this one was thinking platonically about Cloud. I think for she had loved him implied she did love him romantically but chose not to go beyond. But Remake Aerith is saying Suki ni naranaide because she is warning herself. It follows the trend this Aerith makes peace with her romantic feelings but it doesn't mean the feelings are suddenly platonic when up to that point we see her clearly interested.

She is just questioning it.

Also just the context of different types of like implies the comparison between types of feelings for Zack and Cloud as I said rennai and koi.

I don't know if she felt platonically by the end if the devs would even be mentioning "types of like" vs them just talking about what a great friend he is.

But that's just how I took it.

 

[SilverSisu]

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[nars305]

I hope so after all those "Cope harder" and "Zack is getting cucked" comments i have gotten on youtube comment sections.

It would be really sweet if in the end Zack bros are the ones who are getting the last laugh.

Well, people who say things like that obviously care about the characters.

 

[Rin]

I didn't take the English line that way. Because that line is a comparison to Traces of Two Pasts. "The special kind of suki that ties up your heart" is love. First love. So I took it as the difference between a crush and something deeper.

And I mean it's not impossible. It can be included. But nothing points to me that is what she means. The way Aerith acts on the date implies she is interested. Also as I have said it would really contradict with her other versions if this one was thinking platonically about Cloud. I think for she had loved him implied she did love him romantically but chose not to go beyond. But Remake Aerith is saying Suki ni naranaide because she is warning herself. It follows the trend this Aerith makes peace with her romantic feelings but it doesn't mean the feelings are suddenly platonic when up to that point we see her clearly interested.

Also just the context of different types of like implies the comparison between types of feelings for Zack and Cloud as I said rennai and koi.

I don't know if she felt platonically by the end if the devs would even be mentioning "types of like" vs them just talking about what a great friend he is.

But that's just how I took it.

So, for me, I don't see a point in comparing a crush to full blown romantic love. She just met Cloud two weeks ago, so of course her feelings for him aren't on the scale of her feelings for Zack. They can't be lol.

I also think it would be silly for her to be musing about whether her like for Cloud differs from her like for Zack and whether that means something important or not. If she's trying to move on, having any romantic feelings at all for Cloud is a good thing and a great motivator to push her forward.

She only begins to muse on what kind of like she feels after Cloud "rejects" her (no matter the dialogue) which is very strange. Why would that cause her to reflect if the "like" she feels is romantic either way? What, exactly, is there to reflect on at that point in time if she now "knows where they stand"?

Like idk, to me it seems a bit nonsensical and makes more sense for her to be considering whether she mistook "really liking Cloud" as a friend with "really liking Cloud" as a potential romantic partner.

 

[Ryeleigh]

It's just from some dude doing video essay on youtube like any other dudes.
And I see people pissed that the game is sticking to OG and want the third one ending differently. So I was just curious about the opinion here.

Personally I'm on the team simple Remake + Expanded lore + Compilation recollection

I can't say anything about the predictions because I think trying to predict something in Re-Trilogy is a bit of a headache, lol. But I think a post-game epilogue would be nice.

As for the current topic of discussion, wasn't COLW a contrast to COLB? So if Sephiroth talks about hating Cloud, doesn't it make sense for his contrast to talk about loving Cloud? And didn't they start expanding on Zack and Zerith in Crisis Core? Which was released after COLW and AC? So it makes sense if Zack wasn't mentioned much because he wasn't (yet) a concern?

As for Aerith's feelings, I don't know. Obviously, she likes Cloud. But does she like Soldier!Cloud? Does she like the Zack parts in Cloud? Does she like Cloud parts in Cloud? Can she even say which parts are Cloud parts? Or what about Tifa whom Cloud obviously has a thing for and Aerith adores herself? If you think about the situation she's in, it's no wonder she's confused. But that's just my two cents.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Thank you!

From the rough translation, I would say that platonic like can definitely be included here as she's talking about the many different forms of liking someone a person can feel and isn't sure where her feelings land on the spectrum.

Oh yeah I agree with that. I just don't think she ACTUALLY feels platonically if that makes sense. She is just questioning her feelings. Which are romantic but she isn't sure how to define them.

But I personally saw this idea of different likes as comparison of feelings between Cloud and Zack which would likely be koi vs re'nai.

Hope that is clearer.

 

[Yoru]

I didn't take the English line that way. Because that line is a comparison to Traces of Two Pasts. "The special kind of suki that ties up your heart" is love. First love. So I took it as the difference between a crush and something deeper.

Thing is, if we're really taking the comparison with Traces of Two Pasts, her like/love seems to be even less powerful that CA would like.

The fact this line is used for Tifa and how she has no hesitation about it. She knows the sort of like she feels and how she wants to be with Cloud forever vs Aerith doubting and not being sure about it, makes Aerith's "like" seem less valuable in a way, if you see what I mean.

 

[Rin]

Oh yeah I agree with that. I just don't think she ACTUALLY feels platonically if that makes sense. She is just questioning her feelings. Which are romantic but she isn't sure how to define them.

But I personally saw this idea of different likes as comparison of feelings between Cloud and Zack which would likely be koi vs re'nai.

Hope that is clearer.

Ah, that makes sense and I can agree with that.
I'm not arguing that Aerith feels platonically toward Cloud and that's what she came to realize at the end, just that she's wondering if she did confuse platonic feelings with romantic ones (and she still doesn't have that answer by the end of their date).

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Thing is, if we're really taking the comparison with Traces of Two Pasts, her like/love seems to be even less powerful that CA would like.

The fact this line is used for Tifa and how she has no hesitation about it. She knows the sort of like she feels and how she wants to be with Cloud forever vs Aerith doubting and not being sure about it, makes Aerith's "like" seem less valuable in a way, if you see what I mean.

Yeah and that is exactly what I was pointing out when I said wishy washy. It's an "I like you" but not a sure one. Compared to LS white use of koibito which was more sure and even compared to saying "suki ni naranaide"(dont fall in love with me" . In comparison so my guess is to emphasize the conflict of emotions and how she isn't sure.

 

[overheat28]

I hope so after all those "Cope harder" and "Zack is getting cucked" comments i have gotten on youtube comment sections.

It would be really sweet if in the end Zack bros are the ones who are getting the last laugh.

As a fellow Zackbro, I only understand your doubts too well. I myself still vacillate between dooming and hope on a near daily basis. I almost tossed my controller when Marlene spouted her crap, lol. But more than anything, the sheer certainty of hardcore Cleriths always makes me think I am being gaslighted tbh. The way they read the game and the way I did are not compatible at all, so someone has to be wrong. I honestly question if it's me, sometimes. They are quite nasty about it too - "Zack got cucked, lmao" is horrible to hear even if it's almost certainly not true.

Ultimately, it irks me they put Zack on the cover, hyped him in the interviews and then gave him an hour screentime tops in a 100 hr game. That was some high level bs from Square and I'm not sure I can ever trust them fully again as a Zack fan. They don't actually seem to know what to do with him, or they did and reversed course. I still feel they cut gameplay sections otherwise why are his combat mechanics developed to this extent? It doesn't make sense unless content was cut. It's sad because he's really fun to play.

But dooming aside, I think they really are setting up Zack and Aerith. I don't think they would give him the setup he received to break him like that in the end. It's abundantly clear he's only here for Aerith and the contrast with how Cloud treats her and how Zack is willing to go to hell and back for her without the slightest hesitation is quite clear. You dont show hands touching across the lifestream without reason, it is massive if you think about it. And thats the thing - because of his very limited screentime, by definition Zack does something extraordinary everytime he shows up. He is quite single minded in his insanity (i think its fair to call him insane, in a good way). I think we can look forward to having the last laugh in 3 years.

 

[SilverSisu]

Oh yeah I agree with that. I just don't think she ACTUALLY feels platonically if that makes sense. She is just questioning her feelings. Which are romantic but she isn't sure how to define them.

But I personally saw this idea of different likes as comparison of feelings between Cloud and Zack which would likely be koi vs re'nai.

Hope that is clearer.

Is re'nai stronger feeling than koi?

 

[nars305]

But dooming aside, I think they really are setting up Zack and Aerith. I don't think they would give him the setup he received to break him like that in the end.

Yeah it would be the dumbest thing ever and make me question what was the point of “bringing him back to life”. Just leave him dead.

 

[SilverSisu]

As a fellow Zackbro, I only understand your doubts too well. I myself still vacillate between dooming and hope on a near daily basis. I almost tossed my controller when Marlene spouted her crap, lol. But more than anything, the sheer certainty of hardcore Cleriths always makes me think I am being gaslighted tbh. The way they read the game and the way I did are not compatible at all, so someone has to be wrong. I honestly question if it's me, sometimes. They are quite nasty about it too - "Zack got cucked, lmao" is horrible to hear even if it's almost certainly not true.

Ultimately, it irks me they put Zack on the cover, hyped him in the interviews and then gave him an hour screentime tops in a 100 hr game. That was some high level bs from Square and I'm not sure I can ever trust them fully again as a Zack fan. They don't actually seem to know what to do with him, or they did and reversed course. I still feel they cut gameplay sections otherwise why are his combat mechanics developed to this extent? It doesn't make sense unless content was cut. It's sad because he's really fun to play.

But dooming aside, I think they really are setting up Zack and Aerith. I don't think they would give him the setup he received to break him like that in the end. It's abundantly clear he's only here for Aerith and the contrast with how Cloud treats her and how Zack is willing to go to hell and back for her without the slightest hesitation is quite clear. You dont show hands touching across the lifestream without reason, it is massive if you think about it. And thats the thing - because of his very limited screentime, by definition Zack does something extraordinary everytime he shows up. He is quite single minded in his insanity (i think its fair to call him insane, in a good way). I think we can look forward to having the last laugh in 3 years.

Well said. Exactly my thoughts!

I'll be pissed if Zack doesn't get a major role in part 3 and lots of moments with Aerith. They need to compensate the lack of their part 2 moments.

 

[eleamaya]

I need to repeat my previous post.

COLW is from Aerith's POV and Nojima said while writing On The Way to A Smile, he has to become the character (I guess similar to 1st POV) than letting his own opinion about it (similar to 3rd POV when author is the God who knows everything). So, Nojima never state Cloud & Aerith are lovers. Instead, he wrote Aerith's feelings towards Cloud is "yuujin de ari, koibito de ari". "De ari" mean "as well as" so she treasure friendship and being in love with Cloud equally. A harsh translation would be just "she loves him as well as a friend" but context make it "he's a friend--more than a friend, for she had loved". It fits her personality who treasure every moment, not only treasuring her romantic feelings for Cloud despite unrequited, but also the friendship Cloud gave her since they first met.

Koi (恋) is basically "being in love", people use "suki" when expressing it. It's more selfish, you're the center who desire or want someone to be your lover (koibito) even though that person doesn't feel the same. "Ai" (愛) is the next level, the person you love is the center---an "I love you" in devotion, selfless, giving more than just wanting, only happen when you've been in relationship or marriage, expressing more in "action" than words. Though, "ai" can be used in any kind of love; familial and platonic, even to your pet! Nomura said everyone in the party has love (ai) to Aerith. And "suki" --just like "ai"-- can be romantic or not depends on context. So "suki" is light, while "ai" is deeper or serious,

This is example of using "liking" to express "romantic feelings" from Suzuken and Maaya's conversation in radio show special about Gundam Seed Destiny (2004).

Suzuken: I like your Lunamaria. (Gundam Seed character played by Maaya) Maaya: I like Shinn (Gundam Seed character played by Suzuken), too. Mmm... actually I like you since we first met. Suzuken: Whoa....! Like? Like (romantic) love? (Suki? Suki ga koi?)

Because "suki" here can mean "I like your performance" or "I like your character" so Suzuken ask if this "suki" is "koi" type of like. Thanks to that, they were dating afterward, so Zack & Aerith since Advent Children (2005) has been always voiced by real couple hahaha.

So, I dont think it's contradictive or retconning what type of like she has with Cloud because it's already different from Zack.
Because......

Nojima said in CCFF7 Ultimania interview section, that he called Zack & Aerith as "ren'ai". "Ren'ai" is written in kanji "koi + ai" (恋愛) and it means story/poem/genre/song of romance, mutually in love, or in romantic relationship. "Ren'ai" is also used for broad type of romance, from a beginning that is just crush (koi) to unconditional (ai). Though, he also added they're still young, and since he couldn't have much space to build their love story (I guess it's because of PSP UMD limitation that SE rejected the devs' proposal for having two disks), so he made them fall in love at the first sight. By this description, Zack & Aerith is never friends growing up to be lovers, their relationship has always been lovers or first love (初恋) by nature. So, it's still related to Aerith never experiencing a real friendship till she meets Cloud, Tifa, and the others as they set a journey together.

If Zack & Aerith reunited, by nature of their relationship, they're lost lovers finding each others. Rejection would make them over, not turning to platonic friends they never be. I doubt Zack is always by her side because they're just friends.


EDIT to add this:

Like "Daisuki" is more romantically coded than "Suki desu" for example because you can say the latter to your friend but you'd never say the former to them unless you were straight up confessing romantic feelings.

Zack say "daisuki" to Angeal when he hugged him as Angeal promoted Zack to first Class.
Hamaguchi, perhaps half joking, also say Sephiroth "daisuki" Cloud. (this is in interview video of him answering 50 questions so quick)

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Is re'nai stronger than koi?

I don't know if I'd say stronger? Different? Yeah. I think a better word is Deeper.
Koi is like longing for someone. Like infatuation in love and the honeymoon phase in the beginning when you are really into someone? Renai is similar but more about wanting to be in a relationship? And described as the transition from koi to ai which is true love that is unconditional. So the next step up?

Elemaya's post basically explained it. It's the next stage.

 

[Yoru]

Yeah it would be the dumbest thing ever and make me question what was the point of “bringing him back to life”. Just leave him dead.

People read the whole situation the wrong way.

Rebirth is not the game cucking Zack and making fun of him. It's the game where Zack's love for Aerith knows no limit. Marlene scene is not here to confess Aerith feelings to Cloud. It's here to show how Zack will ALWAYS prioritize Aerith.

"The woman I love may have forgotten me and is loving someone else ? Someone whom life is between my own hands ?" And what Zack is doing the very next scene ? He's going to Hojo to save Cloud. Because he's been told he'll be the one to save Aerith

All of this is just to doubling down on Zack being the PERFECT boyfriend. Because they know how the Cult Clerith talked shit about him. It's the dev telling "See ? That's why everyone loves Zack and why he'll be the perfect match for our flower girl"

 

[nars305]

Rebirth is not the game cucking Zack and making fun of him. It's the game where Zack's love for Aerith knows no limit. Marlene scene is not here to confess Aerith feelings to Cloud. It's here to show how Zack will ALWAYS prioritize Aerith.

"The woman I love may have forgotten me and is loving someone else ? Someone whom life is between my own hands ?" And what Zack is doing the very next scene ? He's going to Hojo to save Cloud. Because he's been told he'll be the one to save Aerith

All of this is just to doubling down on Zack being the PERFECT boyfriend. Because they know how the Cult Clerith talked shit about him. It's the dev telling "See ? That's why everyone loves Zack and why he'll be the perfect match for our flower girl"

No. You’re wrong. He’s a cuck.

Therefore, he will be now known as Zuck.

 

[Rin]

As for the current topic of discussion, wasn't COLW a contrast to COLB? So if Sephiroth talks about hating Cloud, doesn't it make sense for his contrast to talk about loving Cloud? And didn't they start expanding on Zack and Zerith in Crisis Core? Which was released after COLW and AC? So it makes sense if Zack wasn't mentioned much because he wasn't (yet) a concern?

Yeah, I feel like this is why COLW/B have been worked into FF7R because Nojima probably isn't going to rewrite it, but he's got the chance to recontextualize it within the game itself now. And so, now that things have changed pretty significantly between COLW/B being written and the current remake project, he's revisiting Aerith's feelings for Cloud and what they truly are.

 

[imach0c0]

I get how you feel given all that. I think what threw me off is we did not get a payoff for the Zack scene from Intergrade (unless they will address it in Part 3)

There are times in Rebirth where it feels Zack's parts were rushed, especially near the end.

Regarding Zack's role and his potential reunion with Aerith in Part 3, it seems likely. At first glance and on the surface, it seems the Zack/Aerith stuff got rejected. However, I think there is a lot of reading between the lines with how their relationship is portrayed, especially through visual imagery. Also, from a storytelling POV, it does not make sense for Zack/Aerith to resolve in part 2 because Aerith has unresolved feelings. I think the dream date was the opportunity for her to resolve that. Which sets up a cleaner slate for her and Zack going into Part 3.

As a fellow Zackbro, I only understand your doubts too well. I myself still vacillate between dooming and hope on a near daily basis. I almost tossed my controller when Marlene spouted her crap, lol. But more than anything, the sheer certainty of hardcore Cleriths always makes me think I am being gaslighted tbh. The way they read the game and the way I did are not compatible at all, so someone has to be wrong. I honestly question if it's me, sometimes. They are quite nasty about it too - "Zack got cucked, lmao" is horrible to hear even if it's almost certainly not true.

Ultimately, it irks me they put Zack on the cover, hyped him in the interviews and then gave him an hour screentime tops in a 100 hr game. That was some high level bs from Square and I'm not sure I can ever trust them fully again as a Zack fan. They don't actually seem to know what to do with him, or they did and reversed course. I still feel they cut gameplay sections otherwise why are his combat mechanics developed to this extent? It doesn't make sense unless content was cut. It's sad because he's really fun to play.

But dooming aside, I think they really are setting up Zack and Aerith. I don't think they would give him the setup he received to break him like that in the end. It's abundantly clear he's only here for Aerith and the contrast with how Cloud treats her and how Zack is willing to go to hell and back for her without the slightest hesitation is quite clear. You dont show hands touching across the lifestream without reason, it is massive if you think about it. And thats the thing - because of his very limited screentime, by definition Zack does something extraordinary everytime he shows up. He is quite single minded in his insanity (i think its fair to call him insane, in a good way). I think we can look forward to having the last laugh in 3 years.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Set the stupid on fire, if at all possible. It will keep you warm and is infinitely renewable, I hear.

Spread the stupid ashes in your orchards afterward. That's how you grow Dumb Apples, right?

That's why I have it a home.

Between this and your kitty's keyboard shenanigans, I'm naming the next stray cat I adopt Typo.

Ed, Edd, and Eddie but the only different is fully 3D Johnny from FF7 replaces their Johnny.

I'd watch it.

I mean in general. The man's weakness is "my own body is tearing me apart because I cannot move"

Yeah, but his poor ego. "You're quick, man. You're just not fast.[/] -- Sonic the Hedgehog

I can imagine.

And World of Pure Imagination is now stuck in my head. Someone get me an edible flower teacup.

It's just my way.

It is known, although it wasn't.

It wasn't a discworld project, just a 48 hour film about a guy who works at routing people to the afterlife they qualify for, and he gets himself as an assignment. I played his boss, Death.

Ah ok, I see where my confusion set in. I don't think I've actually seen it, but I do recall a brief discussion about it.

Have you seen any of the recent Rifftrax lives?

I have not.

Better than one might initially expect.

Nice when that happens.

Ba dum tish.

It has to be said.

That sounds infuriating. Repeating history even though you learned it.

It was. Oh sure, they'd add a couple new historical figures and more specific dates than the previous year but the events being taught did not often vary year to year. At least they weren't teaching "the benefits experienced by the slaves" or anything. I got my eye on you school, don't you dare.

I had a similar arrangement once, for a programming class.

Nice.

Oh yes, Fluffy's children will be everywhere.

We need to introduce a fluffy black Tom in Edge and get some lovely grandchildren too. We could use a missing pet turns up with kittens episode anyway.

It almost happened to the first lady who voiced Excel in the Excel saga dub. She took like a year off to let her voice recover.

I believe it. I use a voice based on Lanipator's Vegeta for my favorite DnD character, and even without having to do multiple takes that hurts after a four hour session.

She managed to minimize every window and I lost my place and train of thought.

Impressive. Recalls a time when Luna unplugged my PC and lost a whole chapter I'd just written. Good kitty taught me to save more often.

I mean if you want to take the easy way out, I won't blame you.

I'd say "less of a chore" over "easier" but yep.

Fair.

Nah, another moment where I got interrupted and forgot to complete a thought. I was saying "That does seem to be how the new gen pinkers are treating things."

Fair enough. And that sadly doesn't make the donuts.

With Kenichi.

Ahhh we have fun here.

I think technically I'm an infidel rather than a heretic, but yeah, you're doing it right.

Infidel does fit somewhat better in this context. Pink Hell at least had fully schismed into basically it's own separate fandom.

I obviously fundamentally disagree. Could you provide a source for the idea that "The player decides who Cloud loves" because I have not come across anything like that. If anything, what I've seen is them discussing about the affection system possibly detracting from the actual narrative and wanting each possible outcome to be true to Cloud's character.
Furthermore the affection values themselves are consistently referred to as the companion's feelings towards Cloud, not his feelings towards them.

Whoa, deja fuckin' vu right? Is it 2010 again?

That's not how "canon" works.

Beat me to it again.

But regardless of whether or not you get the high or low version, Cloud and Tifa confirm their mutual feelings of romance that night. After that they start living together, they start a family together. Cloud is so happy living with Tifa that he begins feeling guilty about it. Nojima and Nomura have both said Cloud goes back where he belongs at the end of AC/C. The ending isn't open ended. They are raising a child together, a child that considers them his parents (and whose biological parents were made very deliberate visual mirrors of Cloud and Tifa).

That ending is about as closed as can be.

Also this is sort of like saying "You decide the canon ending of FF10-2" because getting one ending as opposed to another is down to player input during the game.

I luled harder at this than I should have.

@SilverSisu: Welcome an' shit to the toxic thread of toxicity How we stacking up to YouTube comments so far? Is Tim Curry singing Toxic Love yet?

 

[Ryeleigh]

Yeah, I feel like this is why COLW/B have been worked into FF7R because Nojima probably isn't going to rewrite it, but he's got the chance to recontextualize it within the game itself now. And so, now that things have changed pretty significantly between COLW/B being written and the current remake project, he's revisiting Aerith's feelings for Cloud and what they truly are.

Yeah. I mean, people should keep in mind the release chronology for these things and how a lot of them have years between them.

 

[SilverSisu]

How we stacking up to YouTube comments so far?

Youtube comment section is like a zoo where wild animals are throwing shit at each other.

This place is much more civilized.